The Rape Thread

rosco rathbone

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Ahhh, rape. Rapine most sinister and most vile. Unwanted intercourse at its worst, what??

My mind turned to idle thoughts of rape this day, as I perused beebs' latest contribution to the jacking off-log , especially the following:

Rubbed one out yesterday around 6 o'clock. Serial rapist captures a female cop, does his thing and leaves her tied for her fellow officers to find. They of course decide to take advantage of the windfall. Pretty standard physically but I got fixated on the betrayal elements....

Two of my most favored true crime stories of rape involve this element. Firstly, the rape of Lisa Sliwa, the long-legged brunnette beauty who was the outspoken, anti-rape sidekick-and wife-of Guardian Angels founder and current irritating, entertaining gutter-right talk-show star Curtis Sliwa. (I will do research on this rape).

The other is a tale which I also need to do more research on. I read of it in the Village Voice nearly 15 years ago. I will present the facts as I remember them.....

It seems that in the years following World War 2, there was concieved a bitter rivalry between two advanced students of the martial arts at a dojo in the nipponese isles. As I recall the tale, the junior student had failed to show proper respect to the senior, perhaps bumping him in the halls or some such, and a death-match was scheduled; but quashed by the grand master, who rightfully did not approve of such immature stunts as death dueling in his lineage.

The senior student recieved his 15th-degree-whatever belt and left. He wound up in NYC, founding an extremely lucrative and well-respected American branch of his school; one which capitalized on the feminist-era popularity of self-defense training for women. The feud, however, apparently simmered on.

As best I understand it, the former, junior student, now a top-level master himself, also found himself in NYC in or about 1990 and, to make a long story short, decided to settle the old score by performing an act of profound disrespect and black crime. He identified a senior female student of his rival, who was a well-known anti-rape activist and an instructor specializing in female self-defense. Then he followed her and raped her in broad daylight on Ludlow Street in New York's Lower East Side...on a block that coincidentally was a major hang-out of mine for many years soon after.

I don't know any more details. I know the block very well; it has a parking-lot and Katz's famous Jewish Deli. I imagine that he did it between two parked cars. I can't vouch for the truth of this tale. In fact, maybe I imagined the whole thing, but I swear I didn't.
 
Rape talk only works here if the grrls bring it up.

Funny how they'll get extra hot when they play at being raped.

Strange critters, womenfolk.
 
Lancecastor said:
Rape talk only works here if the grrls bring it up.

Funny how they'll get extra hot when they play at being raped.

Strange critters, womenfolk.

Rape. An uncomfortable scab; but someone's got to pick at it, what what?
 
as a female who has been raped, brutally, more times than i care to count....i've found that 99 percent of my sexual fantasies revolve around that very subject. i believe my being raped so many times has skewed my view on sex, to the point where sex just doesn't seem right or normal to me if it's mutually consenting. i simply can't relate to the idea of two people, finding each other arousing, and deciding to go at it. that hasn't been a part of my reality, so it's not a part of my fantasy life either.

however i do not understand roleplay, much less roleplaying a rape. it's not a game or something fun or arousing in my eyes, it's just the way things are.
 
Uh, right. Fantasy arousing, roleplay, not arousing. Fantasy: yes. Roleplay: no. Okaaaay, then. Well that could be a real threadstopper.

Rosco, real crime stories are problematic for me. Even though it's not hurting the person in question, (and, frankly works better than making something up for me, unfortunately,) I avoid going there in fantasy because it just feels like some sort of intrusive gray area. Like I'd need the victim's permission first. Doesn't make sense, just a feeling. Otoh, I freely gave up some rl stories on a related board, and it felt strangely healthy and like a relief. It also made it easier to just see them as war stories. Or telling about a mugging. Or jungle stories. Like if I'd been attacked by a tiger and lived to tell about it. It took some of the wrong kind of charge away and gave me better perspective.
 
tythisredheadup said:
Rape: only in roleplay, but God, what a turn on.

I admit its a huge personal turn on.... but I absolutely agree: "only in roleplay" - it's too horrible a crime in reality.
 
I have quite an interest in "true crime" rape; which obviously flows from my high level of sexual aggression.
 
Phoenix Stone said:
Uh, right. Fantasy arousing, roleplay, not arousing. Fantasy: yes. Roleplay: no. Okaaaay, then. Well that could be a real threadstopper.

Rosco, real crime stories are problematic for me. Even though it's not hurting the person in question, (and, frankly works better than making something up for me, unfortunately,) I avoid going there in fantasy because it just feels like some sort of intrusive gray area. Like I'd need the victim's permission first. Doesn't make sense, just a feeling. Otoh, I freely gave up some rl stories on a related board, and it felt strangely healthy and like a relief. It also made it easier to just see them as war stories. Or telling about a mugging. Or jungle stories. Like if I'd been attacked by a tiger and lived to tell about it. It took some of the wrong kind of charge away and gave me better perspective.


most of my fantasies (except those that are too sick even for me)are about things i wish to happen. i fantasize almost exclusively about rape/nonconsentual sex. that is because i have a hard time imagining consentual, mutually pleasureable sex. does that mean i would like to roleplay being raped, because it is the subject of so many of my fantasies? not at all. roleplay is fake, it's phoney, it's an act, a game. rape is real. i fantasize about the cold harsh realities of rape that i know so well. and sometimes, these fantasies of rape come to pass. and it kills me inside just a little bit more each time. but that does not stop the fantasies from playing over and over in my mind. sex IS rape to me. i know nothing else.
 
Ok, let's torture the OSG. First, we'll put a little Barry White on the hi-fi, then pop the chilled champale. Then, it's coco butter, bubble bath, candle light, and a session of lonnnnng slooooooooow consensual looooooovemakin', with lots of cunninlingius. Multiple "O"s, what, osg? You'll be Oing like a champ!
 
rosco rathbone said:
Ok, let's torture the OSG. First, we'll put a little Barry White on the hi-fi, then pop the chilled champale. Then, it's coco butter, bubble bath, candle light, and a session of lonnnnng slooooooooow consensual looooooovemakin', with lots of cunninlingius. Multiple "O"s, what, osg? You'll be Oing like a champ!

oh Rosco, you know me so well, lmbo!:D
 
ownedsubgal said:
most of my fantasies (except those that are too sick even for me)are about things i wish to happen. i fantasize almost exclusively about rape/nonconsentual sex. that is because i have a hard time imagining consentual, mutually pleasureable sex. does that mean i would like to roleplay being raped, because it is the subject of so many of my fantasies? not at all. roleplay is fake, it's phoney, it's an act, a game. rape is real. i fantasize about the cold harsh realities of rape that i know so well. and sometimes, these fantasies of rape come to pass. and it kills me inside just a little bit more each time. but that does not stop the fantasies from playing over and over in my mind. sex IS rape to me. i know nothing else.
I think you might be defining "roleplaying rape" different from how I would define it. To me, the difference between "roleplay rape" and "real rape" is that "real rape" is something that is considered illegal according to the law. What happens between you and your Daddy might be rape to you, but according to the law you're both consenting adults in the relationship. So what happens when you and your Daddy have sex is "roleplay rape" because you're not planning to sue him or seek treatment or anything like that. It's something you want, right? I want to be raped, too, but not in the illegal sense. So it's "consensual rape" maybe as a different word to "roleplay rape."

I'm not making much sense, I know. I'm not having a very coherent day. :(
 
Etoile said:
I'm not making much sense, I know. I'm not having a very coherent day. :(

It's all the colors in your sigline etoile. They are confusing your bubble head.

:) :p
 
The thing is, the differences between rape and such "consensual rape" and "roleplay rape" are very clear for most people who have been raped. Ownedsubgal is an exception, in my experience. With "consensual" or roleplay you are ultimately giving permission for it to happen. In real rape you do not; giving permission at knife- or gunpoint (or under any grave threat) most definitely doesn't count.

That is what makes the difference for me. I don't object to nor am I really disturbed by others roleplaying rape. OTOH, roleplaying it myself is still too close for comfort to me.
 
rosco rathbone said:
It's all the colors in your sigline etoile. They are confusing your bubble head.

:) :p
Heh! I don't even read my own sigline. What's a bubble head?
 
Etoile said:
I think you might be defining "roleplaying rape" different from how I would define it. To me, the difference between "roleplay rape" and "real rape" is that "real rape" is something that is considered illegal according to the law. What happens between you and your Daddy might be rape to you, but according to the law you're both consenting adults in the relationship. So what happens when you and your Daddy have sex is "roleplay rape" because you're not planning to sue him or seek treatment or anything like that. It's something you want, right? I want to be raped, too, but not in the illegal sense. So it's "consensual rape" maybe as a different word to "roleplay rape."

I'm not making much sense, I know. I'm not having a very coherent day. :(


so "real rape" must involve the victim planning to press charges against the rapist? or must involve the victim going out and telling someone else what happened, so that the emotional turmoil can be worked out? by that definition then, i've never been raped.

i define roleplay rape pretty simply...a "scene" where those involved are pretending they are engaging in nonconsentual sex.

while most of the time i would not label what happens between Daddy and i sexually as rape, i would not go so far as to say it is 100% consentual, willing, mutual sex either. simply because it's never about what i want, never about choice, never about me being "in the mood" or any of those other standards i think of when i think of "normal" sex. but i do believe there are degrees of nonconsentual sex. there's what i consider to be typical sex, between a couple in a committed relationship...where the man decides he's horny and wants to use his mate, and so he does so (the issue of "does she want it too?" never even comes into play). then there's what happens when someone takes advantage of someone in an unconscious or immobile/otherwise helpless state. and of course there's the out of the blue rape by a complete stranger on the streets...and everything in between.

i truly do believe my fantasies of rape differ from the typical, in that 1. i fantasize about the "real deal" so to speak, and all the suffering that entails, and 2. a part of me very much desires these things to become reality, although when they do it is the farthest thing in the world from anything i want. i'm screwed up, what can i say.
 
ownedsubgal said:
simply because it's never about what i want, never about choice, never about me being "in the mood" or any of those other standards i think of when i think of "normal" sex.

Sometimes I think the osg is the only one who understands me.

boo hoo hoo
 
Rape

Not for me. Roleplaying or not, just can't do it. I can see where one could get off on the thought or even the fantasy of it: the violence, the lack of control, the mental and physical anguish. Those things make sense to me. But to act it out? No, I can't.

Mayhap, it's my past (and everything that implies) but to want to do to others what was once done to me~ uh-uh. Maso as i am, I would fight someone who attempted it with me..especially if it got *too* real.

So I think on it..raping a man's ass, beating a woman senseless while raping her vaginally...but all in all, I know I couldn't do it. Just not in me, I guess..


Later all
Luna
 
since 'rape' is a legal category, some other terms would be helpful.

start with forced sex, intended to demonstrate the power of one (the forcer) exercized arbitrarily; which may include ignoring the pleasure of the other.

what would make it harsh, but not illegal;

1) conditions that suggest consent; the 'receiver' has abandoned usual safegaurds and precautions. e.g., she's gone to the strange man's apartment and disrobed;

in the ongoing connection, simply *returning* for a second time.

2) the received is to end up in a state of resignation, acceptance, or feeling it was deserved or that nothing can be done about it.

That's the objective description. It's not hard to see its possible appeal to the forcer.

Some have trouble believing that a person would find the above 'receiver' role, the actuality, erotic. It's a definite deviation.

I think that may be the relative uniquenss of OSG; not just the doing, perhaps, but the saying it here.

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Note, we're talking about acts that no DA would consider a suitable basis for laying charges.
 
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