The Rant Thread.

[Orlanth]

<Rant>

Most women want a nice, romantic, caring, kind guy, who not can how love with out demanding sex. Not every women wants that I know.
But the women I have gone out with said that's what they want, and they also say I am that kind of guy. I'm happy that they like me for who I am. I like her as well, and I don't go playing mind games with her and such, I am honest (I beleave honesty is the best thing).

Any ways, she is starting to terat me like shit, and playing mind games, and well driving me away. I bet you know, if we do break up, she'll go around complaning about there being no nice guys.
But what really ticks me off is they complan about there being no nice guys, and that's what they want; then they get a nice guy, treat him like shit, and lose him, then go on complaning about there being no nice guys.

She tells me she needs me to be there and everything, which I am happy about, I want to be there for her; but she wants to keep the reltionship a secret. To me, it feels as I am her boy toy or someting. I just don't have a clue what to do any more.

I don't want to brake it off with her, I love her and want to be with her; and I don't want to be treatede like this.

</Rant>

Ok... I got it out, I feel a little better now.

Come and rant, no matter what about, just get it out It doesake you feel a little better.

 

[freescorfr]

Orlanth - you've hit the nail on the head with your rant. The problem with women is that they invariably end up doing what they think is best for themselves instead of thinking about our needs all the time.

God, and when the kids come along - do we come first? NO NO NO..

And worse than that any woman who doesn't give herself enough consideration and does put you first ceases to develop and becomes hurt - which is even worse for us guys.

There's no winning

 

[juicylips]

I think we need to change the title of this thread

to the Whining Thread.

Women do want nice guys. If she is treating you like shit, dump her ass and find a woman who wants YOU and not what you can do for her.

Kisses,
Cassidy

 

[Orlanth]

Thanks for your input. I conceder it.

 

[freescorfr]

Re: I think we need to change the title of this thread

to the Whining Thread.

Women do want nice guys. If she is treating you like shit, dump her ass and find a woman who wants YOU and not what you can do for her.

Kisses,
Cassidy

Yep, juicylips, it's not about what we can do for one person, or what they can do for us, it's all about DESIRE

 

[TN_Vixen]

The problem with women is that they invariably end up doing what they think is best for themselves instead of thinking about our needs all the time.

Oh really? Glad to know you've got it all figured out.

 

[scylis]

the problem with women is that they're not men!



wait wait! i uhh... shit! i didn't mean that!

i'm very proud of my heterosexuality, thank you!

 

[freescorfr]

Oh really? Glad to know you've got it all figured out.

Take it how you like, Vixen. Nothing figured out. Just a philosophical stance, the result of many years relextion and experience.

I love women, I adore women, I rejoice in the mystery I find in them, I'm astonished if a women desires me, and I really like them to think freely for themselves, and to be different from me and to be independent - i.e. put themselves first.

That is something, in my massive experience of life, I know both men and women, often have real problems in doing.

 

[TN_Vixen]

what I think is interesting about your post, freescorfr.. is that most of the women I know tend to put themselves last, and THAT'S the big problem. We're taught (most of us) from a young age that women are the peacemakers, the ones who try to do for others while putting their own needs last. That's what tends to get us in trouble most of the time because.. after a while, you can only put yourself last so often - then you feel entitled to someone giving back to you, and when you don't get it (because you've perpetuated a never-ending cycle of you giving to others all the time) - you feel betrayed, unappreciated and unloved.

When more women ask directly for what they want, as well as give when they feel the need to do so, that's when relationships will endure.

 

[Orlanth]

Great Av scylis.

 

[juicylips]

what I think is interesting about your post, freescorfr.. is that most of the women I know tend to put themselves last, and THAT'S the big problem. We're taught (most of us) from a young age that women are the peacemakers, the ones who try to do for others while putting their own needs last. That's what tends to get us in trouble most of the time because.. after a while, you can only put yourself last so often - then you feel entitled to someone giving back to you, and when you don't get it (because you've perpetuated a never-ending cycle of you giving to others all the time) - you feel betrayed, unappreciated and unloved.

When more women ask directly for what they want, as well as give when they feel the need to do so, that's when relationships will endure.

She's right. I bet she has the scars to prove it too

Hugs and Kisses, T
Cassidy

 

[freescorfr]

what I think is interesting about your post, freescorfr.. is that most of the women I know tend to put themselves last, and THAT'S the big problem.

Vixen, I do agree with you. Not putting yourself first is the problem.

In western culture, especially in my Catholic upbringing, it was always "Think of others", "Take the last place" etc. etc.

To take it a bit further - do you believe it's possible to please another person?
I don't mean that you do something that someone else finds pleasing, that's different....... It's a bit like the sound of one hand clapping, maybe.

 

[TN_Vixen]

No, I don't think it is possible to actively try to please another person. Either he/she finds you pleasing in the beginning, or they don't. Nothing you can do can make the situation any better. I think you CAN alter your behavior so that it isn't so self-serving, though. What you tended to describe was women who only think about themselves rather than concern themselves with their partner's needs... if you've had experiences with women who do that, then all I have to say is that you've been associating with the wrong type of women. There are many men who do the same thing.

Juicy is right, I do have the scars from trying to please someone. I modeled myself after my parents' relationship and theirs wasn't the best one to reflect a healthy and nurturing marriage... but, I've also seen many of my women friends act in the same manner to the detriment of their marriage. In my experience, men have a much higher tendency to take and take and take without a care in the world.

 

[freescorfr]

... In my experience, men have a much higher tendency to take and take and take without a care in the world.

I'm fairly sure that the way you put it about pleasing others is the case.

I'm glad you've lapsed into generalising from your own experience, Vixen.

Would you like to set up a human-relations training school with me?

 

[TN_Vixen]

heh.. would you rather me generalize about other people's experiences? I can do that too, y'know.

And, I'm not a good teacher, I'll let you lead and just sit in the back and clap with one hand.

 

[freescorfr]

heh.. would you rather me generalize about other people's experiences? I can do that too, y'know.

And, I'm not a good teacher, I'll let you lead and just sit in the back and clap with one hand.

You'd be doing all the hard work, then, Vixen. Teaching's easy - it's the learning that's hard.

No stick to your own experiences - sounds to me like there's more than a lifetime's there already.

 

[TN_Vixen]

geeze, now you're making me feel ancient at 35. There's no pleasing me, y'know. ;-)

 

[Orlanth]

In my experience, men have a much higher tendency to take and take and take without a care in the world.

Yeah, I know there is a lot of men like that, I know a lot of them. But with me, I prefer it to be equal with the give and take.
I been told that I am the type of guy a lot of women want. (as I said, I have been told this by women.) That I don't put my self first all the time, and think of others mostly.

It is funny how some women want a type of guy, they get that type, treat him badly, lose him, then wonder why they don't find many of that type. ( Note that I said SOME womenm, not all, but some.)

 

[freescorfr]

That I don't put my self first all the time, and think of others mostly.

Fatal, Orlanth, as Vixen will testify and worse than fatal, impossible.
You can't think or feel for another person. You can do lovely things for them, which may or may not please them, you can send out kind and positive messages, you can listen and try to understand, you can celebrate differences and express you own desires, while leaving the other free do express desires which may well not be the desires you want them to have.

Thanks for starting this thread.

And Vixen, your the perfect age and, I suspect, always will be.

I'm off to a meeting!

 

[Rambrat]

bitches and pricks...

the world is full of them...

Orlanth...

Bottom line, if this girl isn't treating you right, move on. This is her pattern of behavior with YOU. Everyone reacts differently to people. The next guy she may treat like gold. It isn't you per say...it's the degree of involvement.

Put your foot down or make yourself less available. She will either respect you or react very badly. It all depends on how much she really cares about your relationship. The very least that you are entitled to is someone who treats you with respect.

But if you crave abuse...go out with juicylips...
(I'm being a smacked ass juciy)

 

[Roughneck]

General Rants

Hello ya all from South Carolina, a tip of the hat to all the ladies, and a sturdy hand shake to all the men.

I just wanted to get some minor rants off my chest, and in the spirit of shareing here they are,

1# Why the hell is it, that when you call a pizza place such as Pizza Hut or Papa Johns, the first thing they tell ya is please hold. Do they even ask ya if its ok with you to hold.

2# Now I hate Wal-Mart, but I do find myself at times haveing to go there. Why the hell is it that they have like 100 check out counters, but only 3 open with 80 people in each line. What makes it even worse is that you see 4-8 GD Wally World emploies standing around talking, while you grow old waiting to get the hell out of there.

Wally Woorld is what we southern people call Wal-Mart, just in case ya didn't know.

3# Finaly, why is it that when you go and get gas the price say 99.9 or 104.9 . What the hell is the point of the .9 after the price. It pisses me off to no end, just charge me 1.00 instead of th GD 99.9 price, it's the same thing.

Thanks for listening to my rant, I must say I do feel better. I think I'll have a beer or 12 now, then take in an afternoon of ESPN.

BTW, was just joshing with ya on those rants, those things do ponder in my mind, but I thought It would be fun to rant about them.

 

[Rambrat]

Re: General Rants

Hello ya all from South Carolina, a tip of the hat to all the ladies, and a sturdy hand shake to all the men.

I just wanted to get some minor rants off my chest, and in the spirit of shareing here they are,

1# Why the hell is it, that when you call a pizza place such as Pizza Hut or Papa Johns, the first thing they tell ya is please hold. Do they even ask ya if its ok with you to hold.

2# Now I hate Wal-Mart, but I do find myself at times haveing to go there. Why the hell is it that they have like 100 check out counters, but only 3 open with 80 people in each line. What makes it even worse is that you see 4-8 GD Wally World emploies standing around talking, while you grow old waiting to get the hell out of there.

Wally Woorld is what we southern people call Wal-Mart, just in case ya didn't know.

3# Finaly, why is it that when you go and get gas the price say 99.9 or 104.9 . What the hell is the point of the .9 after the price. It pisses me off to no end, just charge me 1.00 instead of th GD 99.9 price, it's the same thing.

Thanks for listening to my rant, I must say I do feel better. I think I'll have a beer or 12 now, then take in an afternoon of ESPN.

BTW, was just joshing with ya on those rants, those things do ponder in my mind, but I thought It would be fun to rant about them.

#1-everyone knows it is because the other caller is more important
#2-they are former road workers who decided to work indoors
#3- because a lot of people haven't figured out that pulling into that other station is only going to save them .10.
#4-how is it that you can have one-ten beers in the afternoon while the rest of us are working...(well, except when we're answering our e-mail)

 

[juicylips]

Re: bitches and pricks...

But if you crave abuse...go out with juicylips...
(I'm being a smacked ass juciy)

Being a smart ass or do you really want to smack my ass???

I prefer the smacking

jl

 

[Rambrat]

well...personally...

I'd love to smack that ass...

 

[Roughneck]

To tell ya the truth Rambrat, its quite simple. being that I work at nights, my mornings are my evenings. So when You're wakeing up and moaning about having to go to work, Im toasting to the fact that I dont. Also I might add its quite simple to have 1 or 12 beers in the morning. You do the following

1# Grab your favorite 12 pack of beer (Mine is MGD)

2# Turn off the phone, lock the door, and find your favorite couch or recliner.

3# open first beer

4# Turn on ESPN

5# repeat step 3 until all beer is consumed or you pass out.

Its a simple task ifya think about it, and being that I do it about 3 times a week Im quite the pro.