John_Vandermeer
Wet Nightmare Writer
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I have at least once. And like a modern day Pygmalion and Galatea, I even had the MMC give the FMC a ring, a bit on my behalf as well as his own.
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In every series I write there is a female MC that would have me at hello![]()
Exactly.In this respect, I "fall for" all of my characters; they're like my children. I won't be able to deliver their story if I don't love them.
Because exploring unlikable characters can be interesting as fuck? Dostoevsky, Nabokov, GRRM, Joe Abercrombie... tons of authors spend lots of time with unlikable characters. Low fantasy, in particular, is full of them. It's practically a trope that somebody who's built up as a hero (internally, not by the author,) turns out to be a horribly flawed individual, and even a downright awful one. You can absolutely make them awful in interesting ways.Why should I follow along if the writer doesn't like his own characters.
"Fall in love" or even "fall in lust" can mean different things. I fall in lust with all my FMCs. I am empathize, to varying degrees, with all my MMCs. But we can't always write the same story, so characters have to be all different, and their circumstances all different. So our attachment to them as "imaginary real" people has to be different. So fallen-in-love, in a certain sense, I am 100% sure of once. Of course I am fond of all characters I have created so far.If you don't fall in love with your characters, why would you expect your readers to? We're writing erotica, fantasy, so why wouldn't you write characters that appeal to you, intimately and personally?
100% agree on this. I do every now and then like to explore main characters, of both genders, that may have less than admirable qualities.Because exploring unlikable characters can be interesting as fuck? Dostoevsky, Nabokov, GRRM, Joe Abercrombie... tons of authors spend lots of time with unlikable characters. Low fantasy, in particular, is full of them. It's practically a trope that somebody who's built up as a hero (internally, not by the author,) turns out to be a horribly flawed individual, and even a downright awful one. You can absolutely make them awful in interesting ways.
What I find even stranger is that erotica is full of characters you shouldn't like; a lot of them are rapists, sadists, bullies, or just generally selfish and coldhearted. Some of them get their comeuppance, but definitely not all of them. Those stories can be very interesting!
This strikes me as an incredibly limiting preference; are we going to do some No True Scotsman to try to walk it back a bit?
This reminds me of the "Character Addiction" thread below. I think he meant "loving your characters" as a writer. I suppose it could also mean, for some people, blurring the line between fantasy and reality. There is an old Twilight Zone episode like that, where a playwright (Keenan Wynn) is able - merely by writing - to create a "real" woman to replace his disagreeable wife."Fall in love" or even "fall in lust" can mean different things. I fall in lust with all my FMCs. I am empathize, to varying degrees, with all my MMCs. But we can't always write the same story, so characters have to be all different, and their circumstances all different. So our attachment to them as "imaginary real" people has to be different. So fallen-in-love, in a certain sense, I am 100% sure of once. Of course I am fond of all characters I have created so far.
That reminds that many actors believe that the villains are often the best roles to have. There are many examples of that.Because exploring unlikable characters can be interesting as fuck? Dostoevsky, Nabokov, GRRM, Joe Abercrombie... tons of authors spend lots of time with unlikable characters. Low fantasy, in particular, is full of them. It's practically a trope that somebody who's built up as a hero (internally, not by the author,) turns out to be a horribly flawed individual, and even a downright awful one. You can absolutely make them awful in interesting ways.
What I find even stranger is that erotica is full of characters you shouldn't like; a lot of them are rapists, sadists, bullies, or just generally selfish and coldhearted. Some of them get their comeuppance, but definitely not all of them. Those stories can be very interesting!
This strikes me as an incredibly limiting preference; are we going to do some No True Scotsman to try to walk it back a bit?
Stories with unlikable characters can be engrossing, but the question is deeper -- or wider in scope -- than that. Besides, not everybody cares or likes to read Dosto. I could not read Nabo. Fuck Nabo! What if the characters are unlikable, the story dreadful and the ideas wrong? What's there to read?Because exploring unlikable characters can be interesting as fuck? Dostoevsky, Nabokov, GRRM, Joe Abercrombie... tons of authors spend lots of time with unlikable characters. Low fantasy, in particular, is full of them. It's practically a trope that somebody who's built up as a hero (internally, not by the author,) turns out to be a horribly flawed individual, and even a downright awful one. You can absolutely make them awful in interesting ways.
What I find even stranger is that erotica is full of characters you shouldn't like; a lot of them are rapists, sadists, bullies, or just generally selfish and coldhearted. Some of them get their comeuppance, but definitely not all of them. Those stories can be very interesting!
This strikes me as an incredibly limiting preference; are we going to do some No True Scotsman to try to walk it back a bit?
I would VERY much like to have sex with every female MC I have written. They are ALL fantasy figures for me, and they are all women I desire. That's why I write erotic stories about them.In every series I write there is a female MC that would have me at hello![]()