The 'Population Bomb' Backfires!

[amicus]

mrmgp...welcome to the fray.

Yes, Hispanic have replaced Blacks by about 13 to 12.5 percent as being the largest minority group in America.

There may be repercussions sooner than most think as seven southern states have a Black majority as do six southwestern states have an Hispanic majority and political representation will follow in a decade or so..

It is not out of the world of imagination and speculation to forecast the possiblity of a Seccession of Black a America and Spanish America in the next half century.

And true...that the Roman empire declined and fell, but still carried on throughout western society are the basic ingredients of Greek and Roman culture.

I am working on a book that takes this tangentially into account, when a revolution combines Canada, the US, Mexico and all central american and carribean countries into a new nation. The United States of North America.

Interesting project....

nice to have you aboard....welcome...

amicus...

 

[BlackShanglan]

At the very basic level with you, Shanglan, it seems to be a 'lose/lose' option you offer in debate.

You demand evidence for the efficacy of the free market place, I suggest you open your eyes and look around, it is self evident.

You disregard that as 'not providing evidence.'

Thank you, Amicus. You have at least answered my doubts as to whether you have ever actually understood the concept of evidence.

 

[amicus]

"...Thank you, Amicus. You have at least answered my doubts as to whether you have ever actually understood the concept of evidence...."

And you Shanglan have confirmed that you don't have a clue as to logical absolutes, axioms or self evidenced concepts.

ah, well....


amicus...

 

[BlackShanglan]

And you Shanglan have confirmed that you don't have a clue as to logical absolutes, axioms or self evidenced concepts.

ah, well....


amicus...

Oh, I do, Amicus. However, given that I am actually familiar with what they mean rather than seeing them as a pretty way to say "I'm right and I don't have to prove it," we seem unlikely to agree on that either.

 

[gauchecritic]

One last time.

Morals are human constructs. Amoral means without morals.

Moral and amoral are words only. The only species that uses words and language are humanity.
The animal kingdom has no concept of morality, they are amoral.
Newborn children are not hardwired with language they have the capability to learn and use it. What they also learn along with language is the meaning and constructs of words.

I have fallen deeply into the trap. I'm explaining the meaning of words. I suppose that means I've lost the original arguement.

Whatever happened to conclusions?

 

[amicus]

Morals are not human constructs.

Morals, the knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad, are 'logical' constructs that emerge when 'human' nature, not animal, but human, the rational animal, came forth.

Life is defined within itself, no Gods, no Myths, no Nirvana, no afterlife, just 'life' and that is simply defined as 'that which is'.

I can not offer or even postulate, a beginning to the universe or the evolution, from the first living cell, of 'life' in general.

I can however, offer a logical, reasonable and rational journey from the emergence of life on this planet, to the present day. If that does not satisfy your longing to know of our origins, then so be it, I have nothing more to offer.

amicus....

 

[amicus]

"...Oh, I do, Amicus. However, given that I am actually familiar with what they mean rather than seeing them as a pretty way to say "I'm right and I don't have to prove it," we seem unlikely to agree on that either...."


I have not chosen a 'pretty way' to say anything. It has been a long and arduous struggle to percieve that reality exists, first of all, and then attempt to define that reality as it is, not as I choose it to be.

You have dreams and hopes and aspirations of what you 'think' mankind could be, I do not. I only observe what 'is' and try to learn what 'was' and connect the two. I search for knowledge. For what do you seek?

amicus...

 

[ishtat]

mrmgp...welcome to the fray.


I am working on a book that takes this tangentially into account, when a revolution combines Canada, the US, Mexico and all central american and carribean countries into a new nation. The United States of North America.

Interesting project....

nice to have you aboard....welcome...

amicus...

Amicus, your book plan is indeed interesting. To paraphrase Benjamin D'Israeli, I am sure that Lit members will lose no time in obtaining a copy and reading it.

 

[gauchecritic]

Morals are not human constructs.

Morals, the knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad, are 'logical' constructs that emerge when 'human' nature, not animal, but human, the rational animal, came forth.

Life is defined within itself, no Gods, no Myths, no Nirvana, no afterlife, just 'life' and that is simply defined as 'that which is'.

I can not offer or even postulate, a beginning to the universe or the evolution, from the first living cell, of 'life' in general.

I can however, offer a logical, reasonable and rational journey from the emergence of life on this planet, to the present day. If that does not satisfy your longing to know of our origins, then so be it, I have nothing more to offer.

amicus....

As usual you take the part of any arguement you feel safest with (or furthest away from the original) and follow that..

Logic, right & wrong and good & bad are all essentially constructs, they have no intrinsic value except as applied to the organism from which they developed. They are words not things. Language is a construct and everything developing from language is a de facto construct.

Life may define itself but living is defined by environment and the possible effects of environment are defined by words, from where comes morality.

I know whereof I originate, I don't believe you do. You know the consequence.

Gods and afterlife are natural questions for a mind that has language.

I can however, offer a logical, reasonable and rational journey from the emergence of life on this planet, to the present day.

No, no. What you can offer is a summation of things that you have read or has been taught to you. In much the same way as a religious person has read or been taught those deity centred beliefs that you revile.

If that does not satisfy your longing to know of our origins, then so be it, I have nothing more to offer.

I am a part of a process, except for curiosity my origins are neither here nor there, you seem to believe you are the culmination and require a foundation to be the peak of. Which I suspect is why you have nothing more to offer.