The Politics of Science

bellisarius

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Throughout recorded history, and some not recorded, science has been inextricably inter-woven with government and religion. The ancient priests and rulers used science to keep the population in line and extort monies from them. The priests of Egypt used their knowledge of events such as solar eclipses to frighten the people and extort gold from them to "save the kingdom." All across the globe we have ancient sites with precise astronomical alignments and all associated with religion and government.

Initially it was the priests that were the scientists of their time. Later it became independent researchers who had highly placed individuals as their patrons. At times those researchers ran afoul of the prevailing religion of the times, Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin are good examples. But the scientist could approach various potential patrons to receive the funding they needed to further their research. Competing theories abounded.

Since WWII the primary source of funding is the various governments. More and more monies were made available for various fields of research. Not surprisingly there has been a surge in scientific knowledge the likes of which the world has never seen before. A great deal of amazing things have come about as a result of this.

However there is a down side to this. Government employed researchers become stuck in a single line of investigation. Scientist like Fauci (and I use his name only because most everyone reading this will recognize it, there are quite literally hundreds of Fauci's out there) wield an enormous amount of power. Power that very few lay people think about. They, along with their colleagues, sit on the review committees that determine which researchers outside the government will receive grant funding. Not surprisingly the grant monies predominantly go to those lines of research that support their own. Competing or contradictory lines are left to languish. They also, as anyone can observe, receive an inordinate amount of attention from the media. In effect, they have replaced the priests of old.

This focus of single line focus of funding leads to stagnation. A good example of this is NASA. Bezos and Musk are excellent examples of NASA's failures. Those two have managed to accomplish in a few short years what NASA hasn't been able to do for thirty years. It took an obscene amount of investment on their part to get to where they are today. They are living proof that individual patrons with means can achieve where politically driven research cannot. They are also living proof that real innovation comes from the outliers, not necessarily 'main stream' science.

My point here is very simple. Forget the media and researchers entrenched in 'me too' lines of investigation. The real answers are coming from outside that box. True enough, some of those 'outside the box' lines of investigation are dead ends but you don't have to buy into 'worshiping' them either. Skepticism is a healthy trait.
 
Which science little man? You don't know shit about science, making you a 'lay person' at best and a 'worshiper' in the worst case.

I know what science is, and how it differs from pseudoscience. I have studied that matter in considerable depth for many years. The OP appears to encourage taking pseudoscience seriously, which you never, ever should.
 
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So don't trust specialists or people who have devoted their lives to a certain subject. Got it.

Thanks, baby killer.:)
 
I know what science is, and how it differs from pseudoscience. I have studied that matter in considerable depth for many years. The OP appears to encourage taking pseudoscience seriously, which you never, ever should.

Megadittos.

Keep in mind that Ishmael has spent his life on the hard-right fringe of politics, so he's hard-wired to accept the more outlandish conspiracy theories bandied about by questionable "scientists".

"Chiropractic Kills Cancer!"
 
Throughout recorded history, and some not recorded, science has been inextricably inter-woven with government and religion. The ancient priests and rulers used science to keep the population in line and extort monies from them. The priests of Egypt used their knowledge of events such as solar eclipses to frighten the people and extort gold from them to "save the kingdom." All across the globe we have ancient sites with precise astronomical alignments and all associated with religion and government.

Initially it was the priests that were the scientists of their time. Later it became independent researchers who had highly placed individuals as their patrons. At times those researchers ran afoul of the prevailing religion of the times, Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin are good examples. But the scientist could approach various potential patrons to receive the funding they needed to further their research. Competing theories abounded.

Since WWII the primary source of funding is the various governments. More and more monies were made available for various fields of research. Not surprisingly there has been a surge in scientific knowledge the likes of which the world has never seen before. A great deal of amazing things have come about as a result of this.

However there is a down side to this. Government employed researchers become stuck in a single line of investigation. Scientist like Fauci (and I use his name only because most everyone reading this will recognize it, there are quite literally hundreds of Fauci's out there) wield an enormous amount of power. Power that very few lay people think about. They, along with their colleagues, sit on the review committees that determine which researchers outside the government will receive grant funding. Not surprisingly the grant monies predominantly go to those lines of research that support their own. Competing or contradictory lines are left to languish. They also, as anyone can observe, receive an inordinate amount of attention from the media. In effect, they have replaced the priests of old.

This focus of single line focus of funding leads to stagnation. A good example of this is NASA. Bezos and Musk are excellent examples of NASA's failures. Those two have managed to accomplish in a few short years what NASA hasn't been able to do for thirty years. It took an obscene amount of investment on their part to get to where they are today. They are living proof that individual patrons with means can achieve where politically driven research cannot. They are also living proof that real innovation comes from the outliers, not necessarily 'main stream' science.

My point here is very simple. Forget the media and researchers entrenched in 'me too' lines of investigation. The real answers are coming from outside that box. True enough, some of those 'outside the box' lines of investigation are dead ends but you don't have to buy into 'worshiping' them either. Skepticism is a healthy trait.

the above ramble translated into an easy-to-digest visual format:

https://c.tenor.com/YVIh-tjCWFEAAAAM/high-guy.gif

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This focus of single line focus of funding leads to stagnation. A good example of this is NASA. Bezos and Musk are excellent examples of NASA's failures. Those two have managed to accomplish in a few short years what NASA hasn't been able to do for thirty years. It took an obscene amount of investment on their part to get to where they are today. They are living proof that individual patrons with means can achieve where politically driven research cannot. They are also living proof that real innovation comes from the outliers, not necessarily 'main stream' science.

That is a matter of technology, not science.
 
CDC announces vaccination does not stop transmission of COVID...


It's time to get the totalitarian political impulses out of our lives
over a condition that is as deadly as the common cold or flu to
certain vulnerable populations WHO SHOULD PROTECT THEMSELVES!

The people who died in New York's nursing home put their faith in government.

We've terrorized our children long enough because the unions are
ignoring the science and playing power politics.
Suicides and crime have skyrocketed in this age of terror.

We ruined a generation financially, the rich got richer and the powerful
garnered more power unto themselves and China (/Russia/Iran) is fucking laughing at us.

Hell, Australia went almost full-blown dystopia and what the fuck was the ROI on that?

The same people who treated the Trump vaccine politically then turned around,
once government was in their hand and embraced it with the full vigor and fervor
of someone who just found Jesus last week and wants everyone they come
into contact with to hear the word of God and join Team Rapture...

The Science on this was politicized from the very beginning and the worst offenders
are the ones who attacked Orange Man Bad and tried to label anyone "Unwoke"
as ignoring the Science because they're devoted Trump supporters and murderers.

Three years of Les Despicables calling everyone else Deplorables and clearly the
only Science they believe in is the Science of Socialism and inflationary MMT
which is about as valid a Scientific Science as Mercantilism.
 
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CDC announces vaccination does not stop transmission of COVID...

Moooooove them goalposts, housesquaw.

The CDC NEVER claimed that a "vaccination does not stop transmission of COVID" and I defy you to show me otherwise.

The CDC’s definition pf a vaccine recently changed from
  • a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease
to the current
  • “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases"
, which I believe is more accurate.

In summary, once again "Situational Red Man Speak With Forked Tongue".
 
CDC announces vaccination does not stop transmission of COVID...


It's time to get the totalitarian political impulses out of our lives
over a condition that is as deadly as the common cold or flu to
certain vulnerable populations WHO SHOULD PROTECT THEMSELVES!

The people who died in New York's nursing home put their faith in government.

We've terrorized our children long enough because the unions are
ignoring the science and playing power politics.
Suicides and crime have skyrocketed in this age of terror.

We ruined a generation financially, the rich got richer and the powerful
garnered more power unto themselves and China (/Russia/Iran) is fucking laughing at us.

Hell, Australia went almost full-blown dystopia and what the fuck was the ROI on that?

The same people who treated the Trump vaccine politically then turned around,
once government was in their hand and embraced it with the full vigor and fervor
of someone who just found Jesus last week and wants everyone they come
into contact with to hear the word of God and join Team Rapture...

The Science on this was politicized from the very beginning and the worst offenders
are the ones who attacked Orange Man Bad and tried to label anyone "Unwoke"
as ignoring the Science because they're devoted Trump supporters and murderers.

Three years of Les Despicables calling everyone else Deplorables and clearly the
only Science they believe in is the Science of Socialism and inflationary MMT
which is about as valid a Scientific Science as Mercantilism.

Lol, so you're back to the the "it's just like a cold or the flu" nonsense even though the flu doesn't kill anywhere close to that many people?

You morons pick and choose the Science you like based on the outcomes you want. It's just sad.

And the only political thing the left said about the vaccines were that they wouldn't trust Trump's word on them which is what happens when you destroy your credibility by lying thousands of times in a 4 year period. You've exclusives the same loss of credibility here. What the left said was we would trust the cdc.
 
The truth is. so much government money has been thrown into scientific research they can probably dictate a political outcome.
 
45 approved and claimed the vaccines as his own but they're not good enough for Biden. Your mental gymnastics suck but are impressive.
 
When the rebuttal devolves into argument by googled picture/graph
then you know they have no sound intellectual argument and generally
also bolster their cartoonish arguments with ad hominem and ridicule.
 
When the rebuttal devolves into argument by googled picture/graph
then you know they have no sound intellectual argument and generally
also bolster their cartoonish arguments with ad hominem and ridicule.
To be fair, you seem to have difficulty when people use words.
 
It is flattering to be beset by such loquacious trolls.

It is an act that assures me of the effectiveness of my comments and arguments.

However, you're still a gibbering moron, a howler monkey chattering in the treetops,
the angry old man in the balcony who yells at Shakespearian actors
for refusing to speak intelligibly...


:eek:
 
Denying facts and denigrating science are the cornerstones of the Deplorable movement:

  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that their most recent cult leader won the last Presidential election?
  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that humans were ordained by God to exploit the resources of the Earth as if they were endless?
  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that all societies are better off if everyone is armed and paranoid?

The Deplorable movement provides the darkest vision for society in the history of humankind.
 
Denying facts and denigrating science are the cornerstones of the Deplorable movement:

  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that their most recent cult leader won the last Presidential election?
  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that humans were ordained by God to exploit the resources of the Earth as if they were endless?
  • How else would they be able to promote the myth that all societies are better off if everyone is armed and paranoid?

The Deplorable movement provides the darkest vision for society in the history of humankind.

This is a Despicable response which bears false witness and employs
the fallacy of the exception proving the rule.

The Despicables have plenty of their
own crazies and idiots.

Should we judge the entire Democrat Party by Hank Johnson and Maxine Waters
as being indicative of the education and acumen of their party?

For example: Do you too believe that additional Marines can tup Guam over?
I'll bet you do because you spend a lot of time supporting Democrat causes...

;) ;)
 
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