The politics of erotica

[bronzeage]

I am not sure what is fueling this fire, but in politics, people take what advantage they think they have. This started as a ordinary political story about a state governement official, who resigned to spend more time with her family.

http://www.thestate.com/local/story/923954.html

Kristin MaGuire was the South Carolina Board of Education Chairperson.

As soon as her resignation was offered, other stories appeared about her true reasons. She posts erotic stories on the internet.

http://gawker.com/5349880/right+wing-ladys-erotica-scandal-could-be-gops-final-nail

This blog over dramatizes the effects of writing dirty stories, but its fuel for scandal when the author is on record for "family values" politics, whatever that means. I did a little research and found one of the suspect stories on Lit. Since the user name is now attached to a public face and name, I won't post it, but the story is still there, even though the blog claims a great effort was made to delete posted work.

Another blog has a more sensible approach to the scandal.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/for_all_the_wrong_reasons.php

He says Maguire should have resigned because of her support for creation science, not for posting smut.

I suppose I am fortunate. No one who knows me in everyday life would be surprised if they found my stories posted here and other places. I know a lot of Lit authors who keep their writing carefully closeted and insulate their Lit life from the face to face world.

I wonder of MaGuire's spouse knew about the stories before the scandal broke. If he were to come forward and state, "I love my erotica writing wife," it might diffuse a lot of this nonsense. If he didn't know about the stories, I can imagine an awkward moment. It wasn't exactly awkward, but it was interesting when my son's wife learned that her father in law was a Lit author. She then dutifully sent me a link to her Lit stories.

 

[xssve]

I find it difficult to believe she used her real name, she would be like the only person in the world that does.

Besides Jack Luis, lol.

 

[bronzeage]

I find it difficult to believe she used her real name, she would be like the only person in the world that does.

Besides Jack Luis, lol.

She never used her real name, but I imagine she shared her pen name with someone. A writer's vanity is a tough thing to fight.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I go thru life telling everyone to fuck-off, so I dont have her problems. Its liberating to be me without a shitpot full of secrets. Folks know who I am and can hide the women and kids and clergy when I come down the street.

On the otherhand I think its uncooth to run the streets in your Underoos; youre not obligated to stop and piss on the pigeons just becuz you can do it.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I am not sure what is fueling this fire, but in politics, people take what advantage they think they have. This started as a ordinary political story about a state governement official, who resigned to spend more time with her family.

It is really political or is it the unrealistic expectations of the public who want to believe that anyone elected is some higher form of life decended from Heaven to save their town or county from the filth of real life?

 

[oggbashan]

I posted it in the last couple of days but here's a repeat:

One of our local councillors starred in an amateur porn movie while a student about twenty years before he became a councillor. One of the local newspapers was sent a copy of the movie and the story had a "shock/horror" headline.

At the next council meeting he had to endure some banter from his fellow councillors and some light-hearted party political exchanges on the lines of "All your party is fit for is to make porn movies" and the retort "Who'd make a porn movie with any of your councillors?".

At the next two elections he was returned with a larger majority and remained part of the council until he had to move away from the district when his employer relocated.

Apparently being a porn star in his youth added to his electoral credibility (or possibly made his name better known).

Og

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I posted it in the last couple of days but here's a repeat:

One of our local councillors starred in an amateur porn movie while a student about twenty years before he became a councillor. One of the local newspapers was sent a copy of the movie and the story had a "shock/horror" headline.

At the next council meeting he had to endure some banter from his fellow councillors and some light-hearted party political exchanges on the lines of "All your party is fit for is to make porn movies" and the retort "Who'd make a porn movie with any of your councillors?".

At the next two elections he was returned with a larger majority and remained part of the council until he had to move away from the district when his employer relocated.

Apparently being a porn star in his youth added to his electoral credibility (or possibly made his name better known).

Og

Og... the script for the entire Universe was written by The Nationa Enquirer because the dirty and unwashed rabble "want to know."

 

[bronzeage]

I posted it in the last couple of days but here's a repeat:

One of our local councillors starred in an amateur porn movie while a student about twenty years before he became a councillor. One of the local newspapers was sent a copy of the movie and the story had a "shock/horror" headline.

At the next council meeting he had to endure some banter from his fellow councillors and some light-hearted party political exchanges on the lines of "All your party is fit for is to make porn movies" and the retort "Who'd make a porn movie with any of your councillors?".

At the next two elections he was returned with a larger majority and remained part of the council until he had to move away from the district when his employer relocated.

Apparently being a porn star in his youth added to his electoral credibility (or possibly made his name better known).

Og

I fully expect to someday see a Supreme Court nominee's ampics displayed at her confirmation hearings. A male nominee will be asked to explain the photo of him lying on a sofa with a beer in one hand and someone's scrotum hanging over his face.

 

[oggbashan]

I fully expect to someday see a Supreme Court nominee's ampics displayed at her confirmation hearings. A male nominee will be asked to explain the photo of him lying on a sofa with a beer in one hand and someone's scrotum hanging over his face.

I can't understand the US's insistence on public disembowlement for candidates for high office. Many of the UK's greatest politicians could not have held the offices they did if they had to go through a similar process. Even before homosexuality became acceptable we had many ministers and Civil Servants who were known to be overtly gay - and no one cared. Their competence in the post was all that mattered.

Winston Churchill is the obvious example. He used alcohol and tobacco in significant quantities, was a philanderer, had depression and in his final term of office as Prime Minister had a stroke - yet we could have lost WWII in 1940 but for Churchill.

Even John Major, the ultimate grey-suited icon of middle-class respectability, had an affair. Who cared?

Our politicians are generally judged on their acts, not on their personality or their private life.

I prefer it that way. I think it is better than the fake outrage when a nominee for an American office is found to have been less than perfect.

Og

 

[bronzeage]

I can't understand the US's insistence on public disembowlement for candidates for high office. Many of the UK's greatest politicians could not have held the offices they did if they had to go through a similar process. Even before homosexuality became acceptable we had many ministers and Civil Servants who were known to be overtly gay - and no one cared. Their competence in the post was all that mattered.

Winston Churchill is the obvious example. He used alcohol and tobacco in significant quantities, was a philanderer, had depression and in his final term of office as Prime Minister had a stroke - yet we could have lost WWII in 1940 but for Churchill.

Even John Major, the ultimate grey-suited icon of middle-class respectability, had an affair. Who cared?

Our politicians are generally judged on their acts, not on their personality or their private life.

I prefer it that way. I think it is better than the fake outrage when a nominee for an American office is found to have been less than perfect.

Og

If one reads the for the subtext, the charge is not actually immorality, but hypocrisy. For example, conservatives in the US have been unable to reconcile themselves to same sex marriages. Their main grounds are the defense of the sanctity of marriage. This is a problem when one of them is caught in an adulterous affair or soliciting sex in a public men's room.

One of the differences in the UK and US politics is that public servants rarely resign because of poor performance in office. No matter how bad they screw up, almost all will serve the full term. Personal screw ups are another matter. When the Republicans were a majority party, a disgraced politician would resign, "in order that the business of government not be distracted." Now that they are in the minority, its much different. Every seat in Congress is critical, and no matter what personal scandal is exposed, the party leadership does whatever is necessary to keep the seat in Republican hands.

We have homosexuals in Congress, but they are open about their life and there is little anyone can say that is not simple minded homophobia. We have others who have a history of soliciting sex from men, but deny they are gay and cling to their sacred heterosexual marriage.

The most recent scandal was from the Governor of South Carolina, who has refused to resign on account of it. He lied to his wife and staff, left the country to meet his girlfriend in Argentina for a week. The real charge against him was not adultery or hypocrisy, but dereliction of duty. When the Governor is out of contact with the rest of the government, he is supposed to take measures to be certain emergencies can be met in his absence. If the state was inclined, he could have been impeached for this.

 

[JamesSD]

The political right has sort of painted itself into a corner in the US. You can't win as a republican without running on a platform of "family values". Those "family values" are inconsistent with what most people are doing behind closed doors in one way or another. Candidates who run on a platform of intolerance and judgment deserve much harsher treatment than those who run on a platform of liberal/libertarian openness.

Bear in mind that pastors who advocate a healthy, exciting sex life IN MARRIAGE are viewed as controversial by a lot of social conservatives. There's enough of them that believe the whole "sex is only for procreation" thing to make a very dangerous tight-rope.

 

[TE999]

I can't understand the US's insistence on public disembowlement for candidates for high office. Many of the UK's greatest politicians could not have held the offices they did if they had to go through a similar process. Even before homosexuality became acceptable we had many ministers and Civil Servants who were known to be overtly gay - and no one cared. Their competence in the post was all that mattered.

Winston Churchill is the obvious example. He used alcohol and tobacco in significant quantities, was a philanderer, had depression and in his final term of office as Prime Minister had a stroke - yet we could have lost WWII in 1940 but for Churchill.

Even John Major, the ultimate grey-suited icon of middle-class respectability, had an affair. Who cared?

Our politicians are generally judged on their acts, not on their personality or their private life.

I prefer it that way. I think it is better than the fake outrage when a nominee for an American office is found to have been less than perfect.

Og

That is simply because we have a segment of society here in the US that are the self-appointed moral arbiters of just about everything you care to name. They judge politicians, celebrities, books, movies, magazines, plays and the internet against some pseudo-morality code based on their interpretations of the Bible and their own sense of exaggerated propriety.

In their universe, enjoying sex, being Gay and generally having fun of any kind is abhorrent and against God's will. They'd wear sackcloth and ashes 24/7 if they could. They also give organized religion, which, in the main preaches tolerance and understanding, a bad name.

In short, they are insufferable PITA's.

 

[TxRad]

If you're going plot bunny hunting, the congress, the senate and the rest of the government bodies would be a good place to start.

My question is what sort of erotica did she write? Romance or first time wouldn't be bad but how about incest or non consent?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

If you're going plot bunny hunting, the congress, the senate and the rest of the government bodies would be a good place to start.

My question is what sort of erotica did she write? Romance or first time wouldn't be bad but how about incest or non consent?

Interracial, Presidential, gay most likely Haha

 

[bronzeage]

If you're going plot bunny hunting, the congress, the senate and the rest of the government bodies would be a good place to start.

My question is what sort of erotica did she write? Romance or first time wouldn't be bad but how about incest or non consent?

That is one of the strange things about this story. Her Lit name and profile are gone. You can't find any of her stories on a Lit search, but web.archive.org has the profile page and a few of her stories.

There is one in erotic couplings, toys and masturbation and a group sex entry.

The internet has a very long memory.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The political right has sort of painted itself into a corner in the US. You can't win as a republican without running on a platform of "family values". Those "family values" are inconsistent with what most people are doing behind closed doors in one way or another. Candidates who run on a platform of intolerance and judgment deserve much harsher treatment than those who run on a platform of liberal/libertarian openness.

Bear in mind that pastors who advocate a healthy, exciting sex life IN MARRIAGE are viewed as controversial by a lot of social conservatives. There's enough of them that believe the whole "sex is only for procreation" thing to make a very dangerous tight-rope.

You got it all wrong, and cant be more wrong. Let me set you straight.

Your average thieves cop about 20 Billion worth of stuff every year in America; American employees haul off about 600 million from work. And everyone detests thieves. Okey? Americans are idealistic; God make me chaste! just dont do it today. We idolize beauty and fitness, and we're the fattest, ugliest people in the solar system (behind the Brits).

We're self righteous hypocrits and insist on the right to be so. We'd rather be nannies than die and be with Jesus.

I hope this helps.

 

[Edward Teach]

My question is what sort of erotica did she write? Romance or first time wouldn't be bad but how about incest or non consent?

What difference does it make, Tx?

You know for a bunch of porn writers who are supposed to be open minded and all for free speech, this is one of the most judgemental places I have ever seen.

My kink is okay, but yours is perverse as a sumbitch.

 

[sr71plt]

What difference does it make, Tx?

You know for a bunch of porn writers who are supposed to be open minded and all for free speech, this is one of the most judgemental places I have ever seen.

My kink is okay, but yours is perverse as a sumbitch.

I didn't take it as "bad for us here on the AH" but rather bad in the eyes of consitutents. I think the public eye does have a sliding scale on these.

 

[Edward Teach]

If you're going plot bunny hunting, the congress, the senate and the rest of the government bodies would be a good place to start.

My question is what sort of erotica did she write? Romance or first time wouldn't be bad but how about incest or non consent?

What difference does it make, Tx?

You know for a bunch of porn writers who are supposed to be open minded and all for free speech, this is one of the most judgemental places I have ever seen.

My kink is okay, but yours is perverse as a sumbitch.

I didn't take it as "bad for us here on the AH" but rather bad in the eyes of consitutents. I think the public eye does have a sliding scale on these.

On reading it over, I think you are right, sr. I'm sorry I jumped to a conclusion, Tx, it's just that I've seen that seen that kind of discrimination so many times on here that I've come to expect it always.

I should have know better since the statement was coming from you.

 

[bronzeage]

What difference does it make, Tx?

You know for a bunch of porn writers who are supposed to be open minded and all for free speech, this is one of the most judgemental places I have ever seen.

My kink is okay, but yours is perverse as a sumbitch.

If all her stories were tales of "loving wives" who enjoyed healthy sexual pleasure with their legally wedded husband, she might be able to salvage her political career.

Being open minded and all for free speech does not mean anyone has to like what another writes, just not interfere with it. There are only two specific kinks that I know of which are not allowed on Lit. Those kinds of stories can be found on sites where the owners don't have as much to lose.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It would appear that the U.S. isn't alone in politicians who use sex to commit career suicide. For example, there's Australia.

 

[TxRad]

What difference does it make, Tx?

You know for a bunch of porn writers who are supposed to be open minded and all for free speech, this is one of the most judgemental places I have ever seen.

My kink is okay, but yours is perverse as a sumbitch.

My question was not one of judgment but one of pure curiosity.

In my book, your kink is fine as long as your kink doesn't interfere with mine.

 

[TxRad]

On reading it over, I think you are right, sr. I'm sorry I jumped to a conclusion, Tx, it's just that I've seen that seen that kind of discrimination so many times on here that I've come to expect it always.

I should have know better since the statement was coming from you.

No problem. Sometimes the written word on these forums doesn't convey what is meant as well as it should.

 

[amicus]

Wow...not that I am or should be surprised and since not one thus far has uttered even a hint....I guess that leaves it to me.

There are such things as human values, ignore them as you may, think that all life is sordid if you choose, but please, speak for yourself.

It isn't American values or Brit values or even religious values, it is universal, human values including honor and dignity, trust and fidelity; those things poets and philosophers have concerned themselves with forever.

There are the 'beautiful people' among us, we, all people, over all the world, idealize them, worship them, place them on a pedestal and hold high expectations of them to represent us in the best possible way.

There are also hero's among us, great men and women, who do live a moral and ethical life and are indeed role models that the masses look up to.

There is also love, that desribed by the poets as between a man and a woman that is the aspiration of each as they enter into the active and participatory roles in life, mating and procreation.

I often wonder, among those who write here, what their moral foundation might be as they reject common morality and disdane the social more's and claim superiority in flaunting all commonly accepted rules of conduct and behavior.

Then to express pride in being above and beyond the common masses and to decry them as, 'filth'. That is equally as repugnant as the religious original sin, that man is born base and must be cleansed through abrogation of self and individual desires.

You may live your life with an absence of morality but do not have the audacity to attribute your weakness to the nature of man; you only expose yourself.

Amicus

 

[JamesSD]

There is also love, that desribed by the poets as between a man and a woman that is the aspiration of each as they enter into the active and participatory roles in life, mating and procreation.

Or, in the case of the Greek poets who essentially founded the Western tradition, the love between a man and a man. Marriage between man and woman was strictly to produce children. Pedastry FTW!

If I am to correctly understand your moral views, you feel the Ancient Greeks (well, upper class ones anyways) were immoral?