The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Hi folks. Having a separate "free-for-all" forum like this worries me. Why? Well....have a good look around. IMO, when all these threads mixed in with the BDSM Board we had a real sense of Community...because that is what I feel that we are here, a Community.

Clustered together here, in their own little space, their own little fluff world, all we've got is The Playground with Kink. I don't mind change, don't get me wrong. It just burns me to have change foisted upon me for political reasons having nothing to do with BDSM.

So, tell me something? Are ya'll content to hang out here and start a thread for every sub...and fluff your way through the day? Or do you want to be part of a Community?

I'm just curious.

~anelize




Oh, and BTW--Feel free to drop MissT and Laurel a PM and let them know what your wishes are regarding this new sub-forum. I did.

edited for spelling

 

[InnerDarkness]

Hi folks. Having a separate "free-for-all" forum like this worries me. Why? Well....have a good look around. IMO, when all these threads mixed in with the BDSM Board we had a real sense of Community...because that is what I feel that we are here, a Community.

Clustered together here, in their own little space, there own little fluff world, all we've got is The Playground with Kink. I don't mind change, don't get me wrong. It just burns me to have change foisted upon me for political reasons having nothing to do with BDSM.

So, tell me something? Are ya'll content to hang out here and start a thread for every sub...and fluff your way through the day? Or do you want to be part of a Community?

I'm just curious.

~anelize




Oh, and BTW--Feel free to drop MissT and Laurel a PM and let them know what your wishes are regarding this new sub-forum. I did.

I rather liked having the personal and "nonsensical" threads in with the topical BDSM threads...it DID create a nice sense of community.

I dont know all the political mumbo jumbo that has transpired in the past...but....this does seem rather isolated up here...

 

[A Desert Rose]

Personally, I think this subforum does nothing but complicate the issue(s). I appreciate the reasons some have for doing this and I appreciate the work involved but I think things were fine before... before threads were being moved to the GB. (I would have posted to the GB if I wanted my thread there.)

This whole thing reminds me of the line in "A League of Their Own"..... there's no crying in baseball.

There's no laughing in the bdsm forum.

This whole thing was beat to death last summer. I have since seen no major problems in here until this week. I think it is all over reaction and as I said, only complicates things further.

I also think it further segregates the community feeling that many of us have had for each other in this forum.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

I also think it further segregates the community feeling that many of us have had for each other in this forum.

I always like reading your stuff ADR, thanks for adding your opinion.

~anelize

 

[A Desert Rose]

I always like reading your stuff ADR, thanks for adding your opinion.

~anelize

You are very kind to say that. All I really did was ditto your initial post... in a few other words. We seem to agree on many topics because I find myself nodding when I read your posts.

Thank you.

I think that Richard was right when he said that there was some compromising done when this subforum was created. And InnerDarkness is right when she said that the mix of threads on the "first" bdsm board added to a sense of community.

I do not post to many threads, although I read many. There are numerous reasons why I don't. Sometimes things I would like to say have already been said and said better than I could say them. Sometimes after reading a thread I discover that it is not relevant to me. There are certain people who I will not post to or on their threads, for my own personal reasons. But everyone has a right to post a thread and post to one.

It's been said a million times by a hundred posters here: the less moderation by a few, the better for all.

 

[lark sparrow]

Hi folks. Having a separate "free-for-all" forum like this worries me. Why? Well....have a good look around. IMO, when all these threads mixed in with the BDSM Board we had a real sense of Community...because that is what I feel that we are here, a Community.

Clustered together here, in their own little space, their own little fluff world, all we've got is The Playground with Kink. I don't mind change, don't get me wrong. It just burns me to have change foisted upon me for political reasons having nothing to do with BDSM.

So, tell me something? Are ya'll content to hang out here and start a thread for every sub...and fluff your way through the day? Or do you want to be part of a Community?

I'm just curious.

~anelize




Oh, and BTW--Feel free to drop MissT and Laurel a PM and let them know what your wishes are regarding this new sub-forum. I did.

edited for spelling

my initial reaction is the same. I liked the sense of community with all of it being one big hodge podge of human experience with a BDSM twist... admittedly, some of the more fluffy/social threads were not for me, but I became accustomed to them and I think they add to the inclusiveness and community feel.

I can also see that this is a new way to handle old problems... so, now that it's here, let's at least give it a shot. Post to both forums! Have fun! It doesn't have to divide people, and it doesn't have to be set in stone. Experimenting is not always a bad thing... give it a week.

 

[SexyChele]

I have to agree with AnelizeDarkEyes and Rose. This will denegrate quickly into nothing more than another Playground, kissykissy, huggyhuggy, huge sig line, every get together say how wonderful everyone is bullshit.

Kowtowing to certain people who have been known to have nothing better to do than stir up shit whenever they get it into their minds is sickening and disgusting. This new "forum" is representative of that.

I almost stopped posting altogether at the "real" forum (btw, is that what it is to be called now?) because of all the political crap that went on last year. It's reared it's ugly head once again, and proves that, at Lit anyway, the majority do not have a say in how things are to be done. It comes down to those who can bully, throw temper tantrum, and whine until they get their own way.

I don't go to the Playground. I won't be back here. It's a waste of server space, IMO.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I am sorry to read SC's post but she has articulated it on target. I can't agree with her assessment more. The majority do not have a say... the "popular posters/popular posts" seem to have the lock on things.

The playground is not a place for me, this forum was. I have a few great friends here (I count SC as one of them.) But they post almost as rarely as I do now. And I am afraid with the addition of this sub-forum, it will be yet still less.

It is not my style to do the kissy emoticon stuff and overtly flirt on the boards with men. That is a private thing to me. I don't begrudge those who do engage in it publically, if that is their thing to do. But it is the reason I never appear at the playground. I am ghastly afraid, as my previous posters seem to be, that this will become that kind of a place.

The "first" bdsm board was adequate to meet the needs of all who post here. There was something for every one there. There was no need to compromise and complicate things with the addition of this.

I am not adverse to changes. I will continue to come here and read as I have always done and I will likely post on occassion if there is something I think I can add to a discussion. But I think this was a mistake. And I think I have said all I will say on this subject now.

 

[SilkVelvet]

I don't like this Free for All idea at all I have to say. A community should be inclusive. People should feel able to 'dip a toe in the water' and post in a fun part and interract with other posters building confidence before contributing to a more serious thread.
It also enables us to be less formal with each other, ie mentally let our hair down. Who decides what is serious and what is fluff ?
This community obviously isn't a democracy when someone like Cheyenne can appear have a whinge and as a result whole threads get moved. I think it will be divisive and create a them and us situation. The word association thread was moved to Free for All by Miss T. I got a PM saying it had been done but not why. I felt the good thing about it was that most people had a go at it at some point.

I will certainly be PMing Miss T

velvet

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

My own opinion is this is divisive. I also like the playground for the people there but I'm not sure this is a good thing here,in fact I'm certain this is not going to be good

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

I can also see that this is a new way to handle old problems... so, now that it's here, let's at least give it a shot. Post to both forums! Have fun! It doesn't have to divide people, and it doesn't have to be set in stone. Experimenting is not always a bad thing... give it a week.

It's actually an old way to handle familiar problems. See my post on MissTaken's thread. You should do a little research on the birth of the Playground. It wasn't always there! That was also Laurel's idea, as far as I know.

Give the woman a chance. It is her board, and I'm sure she is trying to make it a great place for all of you. On the other hand, PM her with your concerns and see what happens.

 

[Desdemona]

I see this separate forum as divisive. I agree with much of what SC, ADR and others have said. I did stop posting for months because of the crap that went on last summer and am distressed to see this over reaction to shit stirring. Besides, as I posted elsewhere, I don't want to have to keep up with more than one forum. I'm lazy.

 

[catalina_francisco]

When I look into this subforum I feel a sense of sorrow, for what has been created, a place that destroys the sense of communitie which is so special and so unique to Literotica.

The community feeling we have in literotica is special we should try to preserve that what is precious and if certain people feel the need to create havoc and disorder we will deal with it, in the way it should be done by ignoring them.

To give them their own space is one thing, to remove threads from the BDSM thread and put them in here is IMO giving them too much credit. Let them put in here what they want and let us have our own thread and community. If they feel that they do not want to be part of the community that is fine, let them go somewhere else, if not learn to live with the few rules that govern this place.

Francisco.

 

[Richard49]

I see that several people and I agree

Let's look at a couple of the issues
1) free speech - well they go on admit that this is a private board and Laurel can do what she wants within the free market system
2) Community - I believed we had one ... I lived through the Cym wars last year ... most of that was created by intruders just as this one was .... and also people behaving in a two faced way ....
3) ....... I'll shut up before I become abusive ..........

 

[zipman]

Personally, I think this subforum does nothing but complicate the issue(s). I appreciate the reasons some have for doing this and I appreciate the work involved but I think things were fine before... before threads were being moved to the GB. (I would have posted to the GB if I wanted my thread there.)

This whole thing reminds me of the line in "A League of Their Own"..... there's no crying in baseball.

There's no laughing in the bdsm forum.

This whole thing was beat to death last summer. I have since seen no major problems in here until this week. I think it is all over reaction and as I said, only complicates things further.

I also think it further segregates the community feeling that many of us have had for each other in this forum.

Great post ADR, as were those by AnelizeDarkEyes, Sexy Chele and a few others. I didn't see a problem until Lance's and ADR's threads were moved, which started this issue.

The problem, is that threads were being judged as to being BDSM or non-BDSM and then being moved if they were considered to be non-BDSM. The purpose of moving them, and the higher level of moderation that has ALWAYS existed here was to preserve this as a place where people could discuss BDSM issues. However, this is also a community, one that now is physically divided. Often, a change in structure causes a change in behavior, and I don't think the behavior of those posting to this forum was an issue.

I would suggest agree that one forum and less moderation would be the better solution. It relieves MissT of added responsibilities, and makes the board a matter for those of us who post here.

Risia tried to make this a non-flaming forum, which increased the level of moderation, and therefore, decreased the freedom of speech of the forum.

I remember hearing a comedian getting heckled by a member of the audience for making gay jokes. The comedian's response was "If you can take it up the ass, you should be able to take a joke." I think the same mentality applies to us.

One forum, less moderation.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

I remember hearing a comedian getting heckled by a member of the audience for making gay jokes. The comedian's response was "If you can take it up the ass, you should be able to take a joke." I think the same mentality applies to us.

One forum, less moderation.

Absolutely.

~anelize

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I say we just ignore the nonsense and keep posting. The retards who caused this have gotten enough attention already...let's move on, shall we?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Hi folks. Having a separate "free-for-all" forum like this worries me. Why? Well....have a good look around. IMO, when all these threads mixed in with the BDSM Board we had a real sense of Community...because that is what I feel that we are here, a Community.

Clustered together here, in their own little space, their own little fluff world, all we've got is The Playground with Kink. I don't mind change, don't get me wrong. It just burns me to have change foisted upon me for political reasons having nothing to do with BDSM.

So, tell me something? Are ya'll content to hang out here and start a thread for every sub...and fluff your way through the day? Or do you want to be part of a Community?

I'm just curious.

~anelize




Oh, and BTW--Feel free to drop MissT and Laurel a PM and let them know what your wishes are regarding this new sub-forum. I did.

edited for spelling

I'm with you.....think before we had intentional attention seeking stirrers come to get the results they wanted, and this subsequent action rewarding their behaviour, I found it a great place to have heavy discussion, some light relief, like minded people sharing and exploring, and an evolvement of a respected body or knowledge and most definately community developed through tolerence and a desire to try and understand each other's individual and collective perspectives. I think the lighter side of discussion was an effective way to diffuse what sometimes became highly emotive discussions. From what I noticed, the ones who had a problem were not serious players in that community and had only one purpose for being there....so now we get lumbered with living according to their rules? What a crock.

Catalina

 

[Richard49]

Re: Re: The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

I'm with you.....think before we had intentional attention seeking stirrers come to get the results they wanted, and this subsequent action rewarding their behaviour, I found it a great place to have heavy discussion, some light relief, like minded people sharing and exploring, and an evolvement of a respected body or knowledge and most definately community developed through tolerence and a desire to try and understand each other's individual and collective perspectives. I think the lighter side of discussion was an effective way to diffuse what sometimes became highly emotive discussions. From what I noticed, the ones who had a problem were not serious players in that community and had only one purpose for being there....so now we get lumbered with living according to their rules? What a crock.

Catalina

What you described is a community
What I came here for
What I thought we had

However when we went through Lance the moron abuse
and a certain person publically OKed abuse in the name of
free speech .......... we should have seen it coming

 

[FungiUg]

So, tell me something? Are ya'll content to hang out here and start a thread for every sub...and fluff your way through the day? Or do you want to be part of a Community?

Hmm. You make it sound as if I only have a choice of one or the other. Prognostications of doom aside, let's see how it goes down. And if it's divisive of the community, then we can always put them back.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

And if it's divisive of the community, then we can always put them back.

Yes, after the damage is done.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Re: Re: The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

Hmm. You make it sound as if I only have a choice of one or the other. Prognostications of doom aside, let's see how it goes down. And if it's divisive of the community, then we can always put them back.

Such trust....I for one think trust in this instance has been seriously abused and as I am a believer it is earned, it may take awhile to convince me it is still warranted and worthy of respect.

Catalina

 

[FungiUg]

Re: Re: Re: The Playground with Kink? Is that what we want??

Yes, after the damage is done.

The damage, as you put it, is already done.

This is a pro-active effort on MissT's behalf to try and limit or contain the damage.

True, she didn't consult the group as a whole ahead of time, but on the other hand, maybe she was just fed up?

Let's give it a whizz, see how it works out, and if it's not working, then talk about how to repair things.

Anyway, let's get back to the theory that a separate sub-forum for chatters will be divisive. I have to ask... why?

Okay, there will be some people who come into the chatting section, and don't hang out in the main section. To be honest, I don't see that as much of a change.

For those people who are wanting a BDSM "resource", it nicely fences off the "regulars chatting" section, and they can concentrate on the body of the forum. So that will improve.

Where I do see it hurting is when new people wander in, and are overwhelmed with in-jokes and people who already know each other in the chat sub-forum. Again, I don't see this as a huge change. I have been here for months, and I still feel like I have no idea what the hell is going on half the time!

We also have a conflict of "free speech" vs "do something to stop the 'bullies'" (to paraphrase Richard). Now there's a contradiction! We want less moderation, except when we are annoyed, in which case we want more... does no one else see the problem here?

I've seen a lot of negative criticism, but very little in the way of constructive criticism. If you don't like the sub-forum, fine. Don't use end, end of problem. If you want to be able to post silly stuff in the main forum, fine. Say so. If enough people say so, then the fluff can be moved back. And where, I ask, is the damge in that?

 

[Richard49]

Where is the damage?

Even though you sort of quoted me
you have missed the point(s) of my posts

1) it divides the community
2) it endorces abuse
3) it has harmed the trust that many of us had

shall I go on?

Please go read my posts about this *damage*

shacking my head here

PS: I am trying to find out if I can move my thread intact to some other place on the internet .... I no longer feel safe here and have found a more welcoming board

 

[Richard49]

PSS: Miss T endorced abuse publically by calling it free speech