The Philosophy Of Liberty

[Harbinger]

An interesting presentation. Takes a few minutes, and a small amount of concentration. Requires a flash player.

The Philosophy Of Liberty

Do you agree? Would you want to live in such a society? Would the world be better off?

What do you think the implications are for the USA's current situation?

Discuss.

 

[Harbinger]

bump, because I'm genuinely interested in how people react to this.

 

[The Heretic]

Do you agree?

Would you want to live in such a society?

Yes.

Would the world be better off?

Yes.

What do you think the implications are for the USA's current situation?

Discuss.

Give me some time to think about it and let the muse hit me and I will be back with some thoughts.

 

[Harbinger]

Thanks, I'll look forward to it.

Is this material too difficult? I thought it was very accessible. I don't want to post over everyone's heads. Or should I have used something about Hanns in the thread title?

 

[ksmybuttons]

Thanks, I'll look forward to it.

Is this material too difficult? I thought it was very accessible. I don't want to post over everyone's heads. Or should I have used something about Hanns in the thread title?

You just posted over my head or I desire to let it go right over.

I watched the presentation. I agree with the philosophy and I think we can achieve those ideals of owning our own lives and making the choices on how we behave based on where we live.

I live at lit. I'll try to keep my liberty and give others the opportunity to have theirs, too.

 

[The Heretic]

Is this material too difficult? I thought it was very accessible. I don't want to post over everyone's heads. Or should I have used something about Hanns in the thread title?

I don't think it is too difficult - but I just need to be in the mood to write on a subject. The muse has to hit me and make me want to respond to something, and the muse just hasn't struck yet.

Often I think a thread needs to be seen by the right people at the right time before it will take off.

 

[Harbinger]

I didn't mean to seem to be referring to you, H. I was just wondering if the board had lost interest in such subjects.

I thought that the implications were very profound. It is advocating a complete restructuring of human society. Governments as we know them do not operate on these principles. I would be surprised if our government would even allow such a change. Does anyone think a public school would even allow this to be shown to students?

 

[ksmybuttons]

I think it is something that is taught in schools. At least where my child goes to school. It is an ideal. Like a mission statement, not where you are, but where you want to be. Something to strive for.

Where my mind is right now is on what has been going on here at lit for a while now. I think it would be a good philosophy for individuals to adopt and apply. The problem is people have to want to and I don't see that happening.

 

[SINthysist]

I don't click on threads...

Sorry.

You sound like it's really interesting.

 

[curious2c]

An interesting presentation. Takes a few minutes, and a small amount of concentration. Requires a flash player.

The Philosophy Of Liberty

Do you agree?
yes



Would you want to live in such a society?
Correct me if you think I am wrong...but we do. OUr constitution was designed to offer us exactly what is shown in that little show. Read the Federalist Papers sometime...it will show you ow our forefathers were thinking when they framed the government and constitution of the United States Of America.



Would the world be better off?

If all countries followed these precepts...YES




What do you think the implications are for the USA's current situation?

That we ahve been legislating ourselves into slavery and our loss of freedoms is far greater than many think. All to help or assist minorities or special interests. We need to get back to constitutional form of governement and get rid of the excess garbage that has built up and around us.

Discuss.

 

[Harbinger]

Re: Re: The Philosophy Of Liberty

Would you want to live in such a society?
Correct me if you think I am wrong...but we do. OUr constitution was designed to offer us exactly what is shown in that little show. Read the Federalist Papers sometime...it will show you ow our forefathers were thinking when they framed the government and constitution of the United States Of America.

The Constitution, and more importantly the Bill of Rights. I agree that the wisest of the Framers had those intentions. I don't think they are reflected in our present society, or in the vision for the future our "leaders" have in mind for us.

 

[MissTaken]

There is a certain implication of responsibility that comes with the message in the piece.

That is where we fall off the boat.

If everyone could "own their own lives" and allow others to "own their own lives", there would be no need for governments or legislative bodies binding us into a slave state.

However, until everyone accepts responsibility for their own life as well as allowing me, mine, it will never happen.

Ideally, the philosophy of liberty is something to aspire to, but actually realize it isn't likely to happen. IMHO

 

[Worm]

The American government steals from you everyday. If the average American looked at his/her annual salary all your work from Jan 1st. to April 27th of this year was to pay the government. This is known in Libertarian circles as Tax Freedom Day. If you added up all your taxes on money you earned almost 4 months a year of your work is going straight to the government so they can redistribute what you earned.

 

[Ishmael]

Great!!!!!!!!! Just great.

Back with some disussion in a bit.

Ishmael

 

[christophe]

i found the presentation to be interesting and made many valid points. it is unfortunate, however that all of the good ideals that were presented are lacking in our current society.

the negative points are very prominant, but i wonder thru guise of promoting life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we have brought this current status upon ourselves.

so tell me where does this viscious circle end...that is what it has become

 

[MissTaken]

The American government steals from you everyday. If the average American looked at his/her annual salary all your work from Jan 1st. to April 27th of this year was to pay the government. This is known in Libertarian circles as Tax Freedom Day. If you added up all your taxes on money you earned almost 4 months a year of your work is going straight to the government so they can redistribute what you earned.

This more or less supports my point.

People are not responsible for their own lives.
Many dont' take responsibility.

Tax money may go to feed the people, govern the people who won't take responsibility for only themselves and not infringe on others, educate the people and protect the people.

Then, a certain portion is used for less altruistic measures.

If everyone actually believed and lived the philosophy as presented, none of this would be necessary.

The government could be disbanded.
Taxes could stop being collected.

 

[Worm]

This more or less supports my point.

People are not responsible for their own lives.
Many dont' take responsibility.

Tax money may go to feed the people, govern the people who won't take responsibility for only themselves and not infringe on others, educate the people and protect the people.

Then, a certain portion is used for less altruistic measures.

If everyone actually believed and lived the philosophy as presented, none of this would be necessary.

The government could be disbanded.
Taxes could stop being collected.

And I could afford to pay my medical bills instead of paying someone elses.

 

[MissTaken]

And I could afford to pay my medical bills instead of paying someone elses.

Now, that would be a wonderful thing, wouldn't it?

 

[Worm]

Now, that would be a wonderful thing, wouldn't it?

Aye!

 

[ksmybuttons]

The American government steals from you everyday. If the average American looked at his/her annual salary all your work from Jan 1st. to April 27th of this year was to pay the government. This is known in Libertarian circles as Tax Freedom Day. If you added up all your taxes on money you earned almost 4 months a year of your work is going straight to the government so they can redistribute what you earned.

I pay for services, I do it through my taxes. I have roads to drive on, I have street lights, I have a library, I have parks. I have a fire department and a police department that will respond if I need them, I have schools for the children, I give to people who are unable to care for themselves, I have a military which will protect my home. The amount I pay is minimal compared to the services I recieve. If and when I am in need, I will be able to access services. I pay for people to watch out for my interests. I don't always agree with them, but I vote, so I do have a say.

It is a pleasure to pay because I can.

 

[Ishmael]

So far I'm surpeised that NO ONE has keyed in on the vital subject of the presentaion.

Hmmmmmmmmm, have we fallen so far?

Ishmael

 

[Worm]

So far I'm surpeised that NO ONE has keyed in on the vital subject of the presentaion.

Hmmmmmmmmm, have we fallen so far?

Ishmael

In my short lifetime I haven't seen anything to believe that we had anywhere to fall from.

 

[horny_giraffe]

Yucky presentation

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[Unclebill]

Objectivism and Libertarianism

The presentation is strongly aligned with the ideas I've been advocating on this BB for over two years. The philosophical principles are derived from the same base as is Objectivism and the political party that advocates these principles and values is the Libertarian Party.

Frankly, I don't see the difficulty in following the ideas presented but then they are ideas I've espoused for many years.

Perhaps they are difficult for the novice to accept or for him to comprehend the immense amount of effort that went into defining these values and ideas.

Objectivism is NOT an easy philosophy to understand nor to practice because it demands one take full responsibility and accountability for one's choices and the results thereof. But it is the only non-contradictory value system I have encountered.

 

[XXplorher]

Billy,

Dissapointed in the final to Atlas Shrugged. I think she ran out of steam and used a quick/easy Hollywood finish. However, that volume was immensely energizing. That woman? Amazing.

Stop voting for yourself,

XXplorher