The "Patriarchal Oppression" argument is nothing more than a victim-blaming tactic.

[LJ_Reloaded]

The "Patriarchal Oppression" argument is nothing more than a victim-blaming tactic.

You know the drill. Whenever you bring up the issue of women getting away with abusing men, or society making fun of men who get raped or abused, there’s always a self-proclaimed feminist who comes back with “well that’s the result of patriarchal oppression”.

What they’re doing is saying it’s the male victim’s fault, not the woman who is the pedophile or the abuser, and not the women who are laughing and making jokes about the man’s ordeal. It’s the male victim’s fault because “the Patriarchy” supposedly puts him above women and it’s the “Patriarchy” that shames him for being a victim of a woman.

The message here is, “If you, a man, had gotten rid of the Patriarchy, this wouldn’t have happened to you.” Ergo, it’s all his fault he was a victim. Thus, according to the logic of “Patriarchal oppression”, the woman who actually committed the crime should bear no responsibility for her actions - or, at best, the male victim shares some responsibility for what happened to him. Those who mocked the man for being a victim, also bear no responsibility for their bigotry and brutish behavior.

This also explains why those who use the “Patriarchal oppression” argument never denounce the woman criminal or the people who make jokes about it. They always deflect the discussion to “The Patriarchy” in an attempt to blame the victim, and men in general.

It never occurs to these “feminists” that these crimes, and the blaming of the victims, would happen with or without the so-called “Patriarchy”.

 

[richard_daily]

Obviously, women are oppressing you... and keeping you from being a man.

I'm sorry that you're so afraid of women LT.

 

[subdued_passion]

You have a valid point. The victim of a crime should never be made to bear the burden of guilt; we need to move towards a state of gender neutrality.

In society, especially patriarchal ones there is a tendency to mock and ridicule male victims for their inability to fend off a crime. We first need to change this attitude.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You have a valid point. The victim of a crime should never be made to bear the burden of guilt; we need to move towards a state of gender neutrality.

In society, especially patriarchal ones there is a tendency to mock and ridicule male victims for their inability to fend off a crime. We first need to change this attitude.

The difference between MRAs and misogynists posing as MRAs is a real MRA doesn't want any *archy. We've certainly got no use for a Patriarchal system.

 

[richard_daily]

The difference between MRAs and misogynists posing as MRAs is a real MRA doesn't want any *archy. We've certainly got no use for a Patriarchal system.

Having trouble getting laid from the patriarchy, huh?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Zimmerman was innocent too.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Zimmerman was innocent too.

According to the jury.

 

[Kiss_me_gently]

I don't think this OP get laid, by women.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

ARGUMENT: a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion

Its not a quarrel.

Argument presupposes confounding, that is, the same evidence supports different conclusions. CERTS IS A BREATH MINT! CERTS IS A CANDY MINT!

Patriarchies erupt becuz females are inherently charitable yet uncooperative and indecisive. Males are inherently cooperative and decisive, yet resist and oppose charity. So females must defer to male leadership, then bitch forever.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Having trouble getting laid from the patriarchy, huh?

Please show proof that you have ever even seen a woman, much less gotten laid by one.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't think this OP get laid, by women.

You are why feminism is so unpopular nowadays.

 

[badbabysitter]

I hate the nomenclature that uses patriarchy as an end all be all to explain their woes

that being said, the patriarchal system still very much exists.. just not to the extent so many hardliners think it does

what boggles my mind is how men think they're immune to the abuses of the same patriarchal system


men don't come forward as victims of rape and abuse because " real men don't let that happen"

a man taking a role that has historically been filled by a woman is derided and considered feminine

grief is still an emotion that is considered taboo for men to express publicly... and that's because " men don't cry"


to say the " patriarchal opression" is something that is both fictional and only occurs to women, is both an ill informed conceit by the women that espouse it.. and more patriarchal bullshit by the men that deny it

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I hate the nomenclature that uses patriarchy as an end all be all to explain their woes

that being said, the patriarchal system still very much exists.. just not to the extent so many hardliners think it does

what boggles my mind is how men think they're immune to the abuses of the same patriarchal system


men don't come forward as victims of rape and abuse because " real men don't let that happen"

a man taking a role that has historically been filled by a woman is derided and considered feminine

grief is still an emotion that is considered taboo for men to express publicly... and that's because " men don't cry"


to say the " patriarchal opression" is something that is both fictional and only occurs to women, is both an ill informed conceit by the women that espouse it.. and more patriarchal bullshit by the men that deny it

I contend that the same problems will persist even if all Patriarchy is eliminated and everyone agrees it's disappeared.

 

[badbabysitter]

I contend that the same problems will persist even if all Patriarchy is eliminated and everyone agrees it's disappeared.

I can't agree..if a truly egalitarian state is ever reached, there wouldnt be gender roles for either sex.. and thusly no need to impose historical judgement values upon them

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I can't agree..if a truly egalitarian state is ever reached, there wouldnt be gender roles for either sex.. and thusly no need to impose historical judgement values upon them

And an egalitarian state is going to be extremely hard to achieve as long as people think men are essentially expendable based on that junk science theory that 1 surviving man and 10 surviving women or somesuch bullshit can replenish the species. (See: that infamous quote by Robert Heinlein)

You can wipe out all misogyny and still have the widespread consequences of that deeply-ingrained line of thinking.

 

[subdued_passion]

men don't come forward as victims of rape and abuse because " real men don't let that happen"

a man taking a role that has historically been filled by a woman is derided and considered feminine

grief is still an emotion that is considered taboo for men to express publicly... and that's because " men don't cry"


to say the " patriarchal opression" is something that is both fictional and only occurs to women, is both an ill informed conceit by the women that espouse it.. and more patriarchal bullshit by the men that deny it

In Hindi there is a saying people fondly and frequently use 'Mard ko dard nahin hota!' It means a real man feels no pain; an expression of pain or hurt would imply that you are not a 'real man'.

This sort of thinking exists across the world. I remember a missionary from Africa narrating tales of brutal rapes that were committed on men that went unreported because people ostracized the male victims, their wives would leave them claiming that their husbands were no longer men. So, these men suffered in silence both the physical and emotional wounds.

 

[subdued_passion]

The difference between MRAs and misogynists posing as MRAs is a real MRA doesn't want any *archy. We've certainly got no use for a Patriarchal system.

(I had to google MRA, because I knew this term only in the medical sense.)

I agree with your distinction. Funnily on this thread I see examples of egalitarianism, MRA, misogyny and social apathy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

(I had to google MRA, because I knew this term only in the medical sense.)

I agree with your distinction. Funnily on this thread I see examples of egalitarianism, MRA, misogyny and social apathy.

And shaming. Lots of shaming.

 

[richard_daily]

Please show proof that you have ever even seen a woman, much less gotten laid by one.

You know, for a second I considered posting pictures, but then I realized that you're a dumb ass sitting alone in your room who just wants masturbatory fodder.

 

[richard_daily]

I don't think this OP get laid, by women.

Or men.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I hate the nomenclature that uses patriarchy as an end all be all to explain their woes

that being said, the patriarchal system still very much exists.

Oh fucking really? Show me this system...point out this evil system of patriarchy that provides more for men in life than women exclusively because they are male.

Point it out....I been asking for days and not a sing fucking one of you can.

what boggles my mind is how men think they're immune to the abuses of the same patriarchal system

men don't come forward as victims of rape and abuse because " real men don't let that happen"

That's someones personal belief/mindset and choice...not a fucking system, there is no patriarchal system out there. There is no enforcement/rule of patriarchy...you dumb fucking twat.

a man taking a role that has historically been filled by a woman is derided and considered feminine

BY FUCKING WOMEN!!!!! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....

You know I went to nursing school...go allllllll into my clinical studies before deciding I like plants more than people. And the only people who ever gave me shit for being a guy in a woman's world? Women..... "Hows it feel to be a man in a womans world???" oh you should have seen her face when I said "It's fine, a man owns the entire operation, so who is in who's world sister??" OMG SEXISM!!! SEXISM!!! LMFAO

I fucking hate people.....especially ones who love to dish it out but can't take it.

grief is still an emotion that is considered taboo for men to express publicly... and that's because " men don't cry"

Really? Show me that law....show me that system....

Or is it just ones personal choice to either be a stoic vulcan or a bubbling sack of snot in public.

I don't cry in public if at all possible b/c I think it shows loss of control over ones faculties, more akin to shitting yourself than anything, how embarrassing.

I have seen both genders behave both ways..men cry like babies in public and women wait until they get home and safe in their comfort zone to fall apart.

It's personal choice...there is no patriarchy system there telling men to behave one way and women to behave another.

to say the " patriarchal opression" is something that is both fictional and only occurs to women, is both an ill informed conceit by the women that espouse it.. and more patriarchal bullshit by the men that deny it

You can say that all day long....but until you point to an actual form of patriarchal oppression, you are full of shit.

I can't agree..if a truly egalitarian state is ever reached,

Never going to happen....as close as we get is treating all equally under the law.

Outside that you're a delusional nut.....an egalitarian state is impossible, why? Because in reality not all human beings are equal.....some people are better than others, fact.

there wouldnt be gender roles for either sex.. and thusly no need to impose historical judgement values upon them

There will ALWAYS be gender roles....you can't legislate or make them go away....they are how the human brain works. It categorizes and assigned roles to EVERYTHING.

If you are raised by a stay home father and see most others around you with a stay home father then when you're an adult you will see cooking, cleaning and raising the kids as a male gender role. If you go to the daycare and there are a bunch a guys there raising kids at daddy day care as a kid this will just re-enforce it.

Because it IS a role...one that MUST be filled and depending on each persons view of the world if they see more men doing it, men are going to get that gender role....women are going to get this and that gender role.

It may change and evolve with perspective but it's not going away...our brains all run on categorizations and generalizations species wide (sans the always present exceptions to the rule, savants, retards, mentally ill, the truly enlightened etc) which is where gender roles stem from.

So until you figure out how feminism is going to fundamentally change how the human brain functions....(BAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) there are always going to be roles, stereotypes and generalizations of people and every other thing. And some of them will be based off of gender....who get's what is just a matter of who raised you and how.

 

[subdued_passion]

Oh fucking really? Show me this system...point out this evil system of patriarchy that provides more for men in life than women exclusively because they are male.

Point it out....I been asking for days and not a sing fucking one of you can.



That's someones personal belief/mindset and choice...not a fucking system, there is no patriarchal system out there. There is no enforcement/rule of patriarchy...you dumb fucking twat.

Pardon my intrusion, I am assuming that you only speak in the context of your own country. So I wanted to add something here. The patriarchal system may not exist as a law but the so called mindset can be so strongly prevalent that the law sometimes needs to intervene.

I can cite numerous laws here, but I will mention only one. Ban of foetal gender determination tests to curb gender selective abortions which is rampant in India because families want male heirs.

 

[subdued_passion]

That's someones personal belief/mindset and choice...not a fucking system, there is no patriarchal system out there. There is no enforcement/rule of patriarchy...you dumb fucking twat.



BY FUCKING WOMEN!!!!! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....

You know I went to nursing school...go allllllll into my clinical studies before deciding I like plants more than people. And the only people who ever gave me shit for being a guy in a woman's world? Women..... "Hows it feel to be a man in a womans world???" oh you should have seen her face when I said "It's fine, a man owns the entire operation, so who is in who's world sister??" OMG SEXISM!!! SEXISM!!! LMFAO

Our schools here actually teach the following when teaching gender forms in English:

Masculine- Doctor
Feminine- Nurse

When the teach children about family structure the role that is taught is:

Father- breadwinner
Mother- stay at home care provider

The irony, most of our teachers and school Principals are women.

 

[subdued_passion]

Pardon my intrusion, I am assuming that you only speak in the context of your own country. So I wanted to add something here. The patriarchal system may not exist as a law but the so called mindset can be so strongly prevalent that the law sometimes needs to intervene.

I can cite numerous laws here, but I will mention only one. Ban of foetal gender determination tests to curb gender selective abortions which is rampant in India because families want male heirs.

Wanted to further that the practice mentioned above is not specific to any particular class of people. The affluent ones go for the tests abroad, in countries where determining the sex of the foetus is not an illegal practice.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Pardon my intrusion, I am assuming that you only speak in the context of your own country. So I wanted to add something here. The patriarchal system may not exist as a law but the so called mindset can be so strongly prevalent that the law sometimes needs to intervene.

Yes, I was speaking about US, I'll even go for Canada too.

And that may be true but only to a very limited extent and the law makers must be very very careful how they structure that law or the effects could be and usually are worse than the problem they try and solve....esp if there is money involved.

I.E. Rape is bad, if you rape you go to prison, unilaterally...it applies to all. But you CAN NOT throw people in prison for the opinions/views on rape especially if you don't agree with them. That would be some nazi thought police shit....cause way bigger problems than a simple criminal behavior law.

You can't penalize someone for being a fucking asshole...not until they force that asshole factor upon someone else.

I can cite numerous laws here, but I will mention only one. Ban of foetal gender determination tests to curb gender selective abortions which is rampant in India because families want male heirs.

Yea India is fucked up in this dept. But this is a fine example....you can guide society's actions (like banning fetal gender determination test) but you can't regulate their thoughts/values by sending the meannie police in and throwing them in jail for wanting a male family heir, or making talking about wanting a boy more than a girl a felonious activity.

Our schools here actually teach the following when teaching gender forms in English:

Masculine- Doctor
Feminine- Nurse

When the teach children about family structure the role that is taught is:

Father- breadwinner
Mother- stay at home care provider

The irony, most of our teachers and school Principals are women.

Indeed.