The Online Predator

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There's never a bad time for this reminder.

Thanks to WriterDom, who originally posted it:

The Online Predator

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The following is a composite profile of an Online Predator. This profile was compiled by a number of submissive women for the use of submissive women. It is written from the perspective of a submissive female whose nature requires her to respond to a dominant male.

The Online Predator


1) Definition:

The Online Predator is one who uses the mechanisms of cyber space to hunt human beings with the intent to exploit, rob, plunder and pillage their body,mind, heart and soul.

2) Characteristics of a Predator:

1. Liar: ( Self explanatory )
2. Deceiver: His self situation is presented as other than what it is.
3. Betrayer: He is likely to break trust.
4. Insecure: He is worried that others will be faithless.
5. Inconsistent: He will say one thing while doing another.
6. Lacking Honor: Usually while protesting that he has honor.
7. Lack of Respect: He will tend to denigrate others.
8. Transient: He is unlikely to have many long term friends.
9. Manipulator: He calculates and contrives for his own benefit to the detriment of his partner.
10. Secretive: He will tend to cloak himself and his activities.
11. Charming: If he could not steal your breath away, he would not be a successful hunter.
12. Selective: He will pick victims carefully, looking for weaknesses and filling those voids completely.
13. Chameleon: He will appear to fit any need perfectly and adapt to fill any desire.
14. Lacking in Self Control: Although at times, he may have extraordinary self control and discipline.

A predator probably exhibits these characteristics in all aspects of his life. It may be that the only place the predator seems to have honor and value Truth is in the Relationship he is developing with his victim. When developing a new relationship, a submissive should make a conscious effort to observe her partnerâs interaction with others, not just how he interacts with her. The predator may well reveal his true self through his interactions.
But, the submissive may only see this revelation if she is committed to taking every precaution for her own safety.

3) Predator Warning Signals:

While any of these phrases or actions may be acceptable in a given context, pay close attention when seeing or hearing them. Phrases:
1. Do not tell .
2. ( ) is crazy ! ( or psycho, sick, a liar, or out to get me )
3. It would be best if you no longer spoke to .
4. I do not need to defend myself against lies.
5. They are just jealous ( of me, of us, of what we have, that you have me ).

Actions:

1. May seldom be in the D/s chat rooms. Operates from other areas or private rooms.
2. Has personal information which is incomplete or not verifiable.
3. Becomes defensive or angry when questioned.
4. Questions the sincerity of the submissive when questioned.
5. He will usually discourage or forbid the practice of reference checks.
6. He will usually discourage or forbid the use of Safe Calls.

4) The Submissives Personal Warning Signals:

These are items that a submissive should pay attention to if she is saying them to herself or hearing them from others.
1. I feel he is just too good to be true.
2. You are hearing consistent warnings from more that one person.
3. Your instincts are whispering something is not right about this person.

5) Summary:

The final best defense any submissive has against an Online Predator is her own common sense and judgment. The submissive should always remember that desires, needs, and the heat of the moment can combine to drown that judgment. Always take a moment to step back, take a deep breath and look at a
potential partner with common sense and not with passion


What is a "Red Flag"?

A "Red Flag" is any indication that you should steer clear of a particular person, either Dom/me or sub. These can pop up at any time, though most often in the beginning of a potential relationship. They can be obvious or they can be subtle.


Some common examples might be:

1) Inappropriate questions or comments during the initial conversations, such as do you want to play? or what are you wearing? or what do you look like? or asking for your phone number immediately, etc. Such questions have nothing at
all to do with D/s, but rather indicate the person is looking for cyber or phone sex.

2) Moving too quickly: if the prospective Dom/me or sub seems to be in a hurry to begin a relationship, or to advance it faster than seems reasonable or comfortable for you. Like if they want to meet you within the first 10 minutes online. Trust is the cornerstone. and cannot be rushed. Clearly, there is no arbitrary time frame, but most long-lasting relationships take
several weeks if not months to build before actual contact.

3) Inappropriate attitude: "bow down and worship me" those who act as if every submissive must obey every so-called Dom, and begin giving or obeying orders from the word go. Or those who have the idea that each and every Tom, Dick, and Harry must be addressed as Sir, whether they know them or not. Many
subs in the chat rooms do this, but respect is worth little if it is so
lightly given. Both of these attitudes and practices show a poor
understanding of the true dynamics of Dominance and submission.

4) Safety violations: reluctance to have a safeword or other safety precautions in place, either during the first meeting or later. Run.

5) Lack of communication: if your potential partner is reluctant to discuss something with you, pay attention. Likewise, and equally serious, if you are told directly or indirectly, that you may not discuss something with others,or may not talk to someone else, or may not go to a particular area, be careful. Trying to "gag" someone is a sign that something is wrong.

6) A persistent bad reputation: or unwillingness to give references. This can be tricky if the person you are talking to is new online, but it is still a red flag. Or perhaps a yellow one.

7) Trashing ex-partners. When someone is constantly talking about their ex publicly in the chat rooms and on bb's, i.e., trying to ruin their rep, try to keep in mind that you might be their "ex" someday and be subjected to such treatment if things do not go the way they want. This is something that both
Dom/mes and subs are frequently guilty of. Warning others of potential danger from an ex-partner is obviously a different case.

8) Frequent inconsistencies. If someone often makes contradictory statements from one day to the next, like Mon. tells you s/he has no children, then on Fri., mentions his/her son's birthday or something. If a person often seems to have a lot of trouble remembering what they have said to you from one day to the next, it could be that they are telling a lot of people a lot of different things. Just in general, I would encourage anyone to really try to get to know someone before making a final judgment on their character.However, caution and common sense should always rule. If you have doubts, do not give out personal information. You can still talk to this person, but be
careful.

And please, trust that GUT INSTINCT.
 
No doubt you could change the personal pronouns...

Desdemona said:
Brat, great link. I think I know that guy!


...and post it on a site for men going through a divorce, and hear the same reactions from men.

Both posts contain the kinds of things people say about their ex's in bars, on Boards, and in lawyers' offices.

On a more serious note...a question....in my experience here, I don't see or read any overt examples of predatory practises.

I shunned alt and bondage.com ages ago because I found them less "brain" based, so I'm years out of touch there...but is there a real problem with men looking for fast collars here?

Curiously yours;
Lance
 
Hi Lance,
You are absolutely correct, those links can apply to either gender.
Now, to answer your question, most of the men I have talked to from Lit have been really nice guys who take things slow and establish a friendship first. I have, however, encountered more than one who sends out predatory vibes. They generally lurk and send PMs from out of the blue. It isn't the norm, but it happens. And when it does, it isn't usually out where everybody can see it.
 
Desdemona said:
Hi Lance,
You are absolutely correct, those links can apply to either gender.
Now, to answer your question, most of the men I have talked to from Lit have been really nice guys who take things slow and establish a friendship first. I have, however, encountered more than one who sends out predatory vibes. They generally lurk and send PMs from out of the blue. It isn't the norm, but it happens. And when it does, it isn't usually out where everybody can see it.

Ick.
 
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Lancecastor said:



...and post it on a site for men going through a divorce, and hear the same reactions from men.

Both posts contain the kinds of things people say about their ex's in bars, on Boards, and in lawyers' offices.

On a more serious note...a question....in my experience here, I don't see or read any overt examples of predatory practises.

I shunned alt and bondage.com ages ago because I found them less "brain" based, so I'm years out of touch there...but is there a real problem with men looking for fast collars here?

Curiously yours;
Lance

You may want to consider that one reason you don't see predatory practices here is that those "Goderators" you deride actually do their best to try to maintain a forum that is free from such abuses.
 
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James Blandings said:


You may want to condier that one reason you don't see predatory practices here is that those "Goderators" you deride actually do their best to try to maintain a forum that is free from such abuses.

Praise the Goderators in this regard, JB...no offence intended.

In fact, it should be clarified that if there was ever any sense anywhere that I was "deriding" the Mods, that simply is completely and utterly untrue from the vista here at Casa del Castor.

My position was and is that the Mods could benefit, as could the Board, from some structural changes.

Long after that, I did criticize Cym for trotting out EbonyFire's personal life details in a long, insulting and heavy-handed post.

And rightly so.

They're both gone as a result of their dustup, which I commented upon privately and in posts as appropriate.

Nuff said...I'm tired and tired of having it tossed back at Me, the latest of many over the years to be gang raped for suggesting some additional appearance of evenhandedness from the Mods.

Aside from those specifics, and, in particular with keeping predators at bay, the Mods apparently do a fine job.

G'nite
Lance
 
I posted this link in teh Personals and Playground section no too long ago.

That is where I felt some odd vibes emanating. eminating. emientaonerniging or whatever!

:D

I also felt that those boards presented this "cozy" atmosphere that could lead some or the more niave posters to get into a problem. In fact, my post was the direct result of a poster finding some of his own photos on a web site, shared by another poster.

"Quick collars" dont' seem to be the norm here.
But like Lance, bondage and alt.com seem to be becoming more and more like a single's bar at two a.m.

Oh well, it pays to be on your toes, but not so much so that you become paranoid.
 
MissTaken said:
bondage and alt.com seem to be becoming more and more like a single's bar at two a.m.


With the rapid increase in Internet usage over the past 2-5 years in particular, the demographic and behavioral flavour of the Internet continues to become closer to that of the general public....which is why *personals* sites of all kinds are becoming more like singles bars at 2am....it's now the same people.

This might also explain the general decay in online decorum, or what usd to be called "Netiquette".

As for BDSM related sites and behaviors there/here, I suggest that the mainstreaming of BDSM (take your bedroom salesman for example, who felt comfy joking about bondage while selling a bed) has resulted in more of the great unwashed trying BDSM out....so it could be that some of the predatory behavior women see is strictly ignorance and bad manners. This trend also provides a "bigger" envelope for real preds to operate in, I would think.

At any rate and as suggested previously, it might be helpful if the Mods included some general Netiquette with the Sticky....at least, it couldn't hurt.

Cheers;
Lance
 
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Lancecastor said:

....so it could be that some of the predatory behavior women see is strictly ignorance and bad manners. This trend also provides a "bigger" envelope for real preds to operate in, I would think.

At any rate and as suggested previously, it might be helpful if the Mods included some general Netiquette with the Sticky....at least, it couldn't hurt.

Cheers;
Lance

I certainly understand how someone can act out of ignorance. Especially the new people just discovering the rush of "power" d/s brings. In their ignorance, they have no clue of the responsibility that power carries with it.

Since the majority of bdsmers we come in contact with online, learned about bdsm online, it should be no surprise that they learn the fantasy first and have little awareness of the reality.

I think cutting these people a little slack is a good idea. Many of them do want to learn, they simply get caught up in the illusion of power (roleplaying online - where all of the people with caps on their ids are called sir or ma'am), get carried away with the freedom to be selfish (mistaken assumption), and actually fall into the mistaken belief that this lifestyle is easier than others (which may be the reason there are so many people interested in bdsm nowadays).

Bad manners are another thing, entirely. I tend to think that someone with bad manners isn't going to bother to read any of the threads (to get a feel for how the board operates) much less the sticky at the top of the forum.

Perhaps, the way to tell these people apart (the newbies from the rude ones) is to give them gentle nudges and a bit of time. If after a few posts/emails/PMs there is no improvement in manner or content, they can be assumed to be disrespectful and dealt with accordingly.

~another perspective~
 
Indeed

MsWorthy said:


Bad manners are another thing, entirely. I tend to think that someone with bad manners isn't going to bother to read any of the threads (to get a feel for how the board operates) much less the sticky at the top of the forum.

Perhaps, the way to tell these people apart (the newbies from the rude ones) is to give them gentle nudges and a bit of time. If after a few posts/emails/PMs there is no improvement in manner or content, they can be assumed to be disrespectful and dealt with accordingly.

~another perspective~

Indeed and agreed.

However, just because a thread (for example) primarily devoted to kicking the living daylights out of me gets twice the total traffic in a few days than the Sticky does over months doesn't mean we shouldn't make the Sticky increasingly informative and relevant for all, I would suggest.

I too cut lots of slack for the ignorant, then dial it up as required until they learn to watch their manners around me or bugger off. I suspect each of us dose the same, in our own ways.

Lance
 
I used to be patient with bad manners as I felt it wsa rude to cut off a correspondance based solely on that.

However, I learned soon enough that more often than not, bad manners were indicative of a deeper problem.

Then, the two times that I had involvement with someone I thought was "pred" material, they both had delicious manners.

Go figure .

Predators come in all shapes and sizes and preying takes place in many different fashions. Certainly the greatest fear is someone who stalks you in real time, but sometimes unwelcome phone calls, unwelcome involvement or sharing of personal information and other littler things are predatorial.
 
I find this stuff confusing at times.

MissTaken said:
sometimes unwelcome phone calls, unwelcome involvement or sharing of personal information and other littler things are predatorial.

I sometimes think predation is in the eye of the beholder, as I sometimes wonder what the difference is between pursuing a woman and stalking her really is....if she likes you is it romantic pusuit and if not, then it's stalking?

Is pursuing romance with a woman playing hard to get predation? Only if she isn't playing hard to get but is genuinely not interested, feels icky and communicates it clearly, for if she's playing hard to get and you wind up happily ever after it might not have been predation.

I just think that when women toss off words like predator, abusor, etc....they should remember that those are serious labels...ones that can create actual harm.

Personally, if I'm interested in a woman even minimally, if I hear those words in everyday conversation to describe breakups and such....I'm highly unlikely to even think about sending out so much as a mild flitatious feeler...I have far too many IRL responsibilities and enough hard earned standing to risk getting tangled up with someone who might be trigger happy and shoot me due to their own issues.

Because as Artful has pointed out in another current thread (in different words) and I've said before myself....victimization is not gender specific and the door does indeed smack people on the ass in both directions.

Romance....ah, sweet tender loving romance in the 21st Century....how does a romantic wade through it all, he wonders.

Lance
 
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Lancecastor said:


Nuff said...I'm tired and tired of having it tossed back at Me, the latest of many over the years to be gang raped for suggesting some additional appearance of evenhandedness from the Mods.

Aside from those specifics, and, in particular with keeping predators at bay, the Mods apparently do a fine job.

G'nite
Lance

tired and tired? me thinks you enjoy it.
 
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Oh, there you are.....I figured you'd pop in sooner or later. Did you bring the ball gag like I told you, Muffin?

Ha!

The Anti_Lance said:


tired and tired? me thinks you enjoy it.
 
Women's Studies? Sophomore year? As an Elective?

lavender said:
Women need to learn that in order to do their part they have to throw the games in the trash.

Let me know when they're done, okay professor?

Thanks;

Lance
 
lavender said:
Ah, you're one of those anti-academia types. I should have known.

Also Originally posted by lavender
Women need to learn that in order to do their part they have to throw the games in the trash.


Let me show you to the curb, Lego-Grrl.


Lance
 
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Lancecastor said:


Originally posted by lavender
Women need to learn that in order to do their part they have to throw the games in the trash.


Pick one.

Stop avoiding me, coward
 
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