The New Air Force?!?!

[Zeb_Carter]

How would you like this to be your drill instructor?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070111/capt.sa10401112336.playboy_military_sa104.jpg

U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Michelle Manhart poses for a photo in San Antonio, Thursday, Jan. 11, 2007. Manhart, who is featured in the February issue of Playboy magazine, has been relieved of her duties pending an investigation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070112/ap_on_re_us/playboy_military

 

[Misty_Morning]

Nice, but I have thing for certain blonde Lt's.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

She's lovely and I hope she doesn't get in trouble. She did nothing wrong and if she is punished then I hope they nail all the men and women in the service who read and watch and fantasize to porn, especially the ones who are going to be looking at her photos. . .

 

[Liar]

"This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the Air Force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," Oscar Balladares, spokesman for Lackland Air Force Base, said in a statement.

Looks to me that she's indeed showing some excellence right there.

 

[3113]

The U.S. Military will do anything to lure in new recruits

 

[Weird Harold]

She did nothing wrong ...

Unfortunately, she may very well have done "something wrong" under the Uniform Code of Military Justice -- it's called "conduct unbecoming a non-commissioned officer" and "acts contrary to good order and discipline."

In practical terms, being a Playboy Bunnie is likely to undermine her ability to maintain discipline.

The military are simply not as "free" as the civilians they protect.

 

[R. Richard]

How would you like this to be your drill instructor?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070111/capt.sa10401112336.playboy_military_sa104.jpg

U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Michelle Manhart poses for a photo in San Antonio, Thursday, Jan. 11, 2007. Manhart, who is featured in the February issue of Playboy magazine, has been relieved of her duties pending an investigation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070112/ap_on_re_us/playboy_military

I spent some time with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children at Camp Pendleton. I sure as hell did not see any 'Playbunny Rabbits' among the female staff.

 

[SeaCat]

Wierd Harrold is correct.

This may fall under conduct unbecoming. Although I would like to see how they determine this.

It may fall under actions that undermine the authority of said Non Comissioned Officers.

While I do not condone the ideas behind some of these regulations, I can understand their relevance in our society.

Cat

 

[TE999]

Daym! I didn't see nuthin' lak that when I was in the Air Farce.

Seriously though, the sexy Sergeant may be in a wee bit of trouble.

Conduct unbecoming and all that.

It's hypocricy, I know, but the UCMJ ain't your average book of laws.

This could rate an Article 15, or maybe a court martial.

At the least, she may lose a stripe or two.

But, ye gods, she's cute!

Peace.

 

[Misty_Morning]

But, ye gods, she's cute!

I concur.

And I must also say I have known a very sweet sexy thang in the Air Force recently. IN NO WAY WHAT SO EVER would I have ever thought that BDU's and combat boots were sexy, but...GEEZ...the way she wore them.....

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Inappropriate, I think. Out she goes.

 

[Misty_Morning]

Inappropriate, I think. Out she goes.

WHY?!?!

I am sorry to have to say this, but you, my sir are an A-hole....

 

[English Lady]

I think it's inappropriate too.

And before you all get on your high horses, hear me out.

I'm guessing she didn't suggest this to anyone, ask permission to do it or anything like that?

Now you'll argue she shouldn't have to -it's her free time she should be free to do whatever she likes.

However, she's in a position where she needs people to look up to her, like weird Harold said, this will effect how people respond to her discipline and in such a job, you can't afford not to do what your sergent says first time, you know?


Also, in her position is't she like a teacher? the kids go into the armed forces pretty young over here and I reckon if a school teacher went ahead and did a playboy spread there would be just as much, if not more hoo-ha about it.

You've got to consider your position before doing something of this ilk, I think even if society was more permissive, this would still apply.

 

[TheEarl]

WHY?!?!

I am sorry to have to say this, but you, my sir are an A-hole....

That's a little over the top, isn't it? He's just expressing his opinion and, frankly, it's one I agree with.

The principle of the military is that you waive some of your rights and individuality for a short time. They're allowed to tell you what to do, where to go and send you off to die. It's kinda the point; they dictate your behaviour.

She's done something which she knew would mess with her ability to be taken seriously as a drill instructor. Unfair as it may be, young men like looking at naked women and it's a significant disadvantage if her next class have all seen her pussy. I can't believe that she wouldn't've realised that they'd come down on her.

The Earl

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

WHY?!?!

I am sorry to have to say this, but you, my sir are an A-hole....

I respect that she's confidant enough to do Playboy. I respect the place of porn in the world (I even contribute).

I also undersand (coming from a huge military family) that in the service, a certain conduct and character is expected--she violated that. I think of it no differenty than if she had signed up, contractually, for a job that had a morals clause that forbad her from carrying bad debts--and then let $50k of credit cards go to a collections agency.

Its a personal matter, but she signed up for a job that outlined just how much of one's personal life was open to scrutiny and judgement.

It ought be no suprise to her or anyone else involved that if one can be held in "conduct unbecoming" for being drunk in public, one can be held in similar regard for appearing nude in Playboy and referred to as a serviceman or woman.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

She's a fine looking female, but I doubt she'd have made the pages of Playboy had she NOT been an Air Force Sgt.. About the only thing the USAF can do with her now is either make her a recruiter or show her the door.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[R. Richard]

For those of you who have not been in the military, things there work a bit differently than in civilian life.

When you get an order from your chain of command, you do it NOW [it may be a matter of life or death!] You don't argue, you don't delay [unless you want a Court Martial.] That means that you have to have respect for your chain of command. The military thinks that having a person in the chain of command who has posed nude for a magazine undermines the necessary respect. You may or may not agree with the reasoning, but it is a reasoned rule.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

It ought be no suprise to her or anyone else involved that if one can be held in "conduct unbecoming" for being drunk in public, one can be held in similar regard for appearing nude in Playboy and referred to as a serviceman or woman.

Uh yeah. Certain professions, you have to be extra careful. This wasn't a smart move on her part... unless she was planning on leaving, anyway, to be a Bunny? Maybe she wanted the discharge?

 

[Guest]

Yeah, not a wise move on her part. Military discipline does require a certain level of standards. Too bad for her.

According to news reports, she's married and 30. Nice to see The House of Hef acknowledge beauty as being older than 18. I remember when I was 23 having buddy show me that month's centerfold as being older than we were. That was rare.

She does have the cute girl next door look down.

 

[Liar]

It ought be no suprise to her or anyone else involved that if one can be held in "conduct unbecoming" for being drunk in public, one can be held in similar regard for appearing nude in Playboy and referred to as a serviceman or woman.

I think if you are doing something outside of your job and are being referred to as your job role, I think it's always prudent to ask yourself "Will this reflect poorly on my employer?". I'm a journalist and columnist for a magazine. If I used my press ID to do stuff that goes against what my magazine stands for, I'd be out on my ass.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I think if you are doing something outside of your job and are being referred to as your job role, I think it's always prudent to ask yourself "Will this reflect poorly on my employer?". I'm a journalist and columnist for a magazine. If I used my press ID to do stuff that goes against what my magazine stands for, I'd be out on my ass.

Exactly. I think she knew exactly what she was doing and probably made a calculated decision. Hope it pays off for her...

 

[Zeb_Carter]

The military...once you sign that contract with them, they are all exactly the same whether you are Air Force, Marine, Army, Navy, you are their "property". That exactly what I said...you are a chattel of the U.S. Government.

If you lay out in the sun to long getting a sever sunburn and can't perform your duties you can be charged not only with dereliction of duty but also damage to government property.

Your free time is not really yours as you are always subject to recall at a moments notice. You can be sent anywhere at anytime.

 

[cantdog]

I respect that she's confidant enough to do Playboy. I respect the place of porn in the world (I even contribute).

I also undersand (coming from a huge military family) that in the service, a certain conduct and character is expected--she violated that. I think of it no differenty than if she had signed up, contractually, for a job that had a morals clause that forbad her from carrying bad debts--and then let $50k of credit cards go to a collections agency.

Its a personal matter, but she signed up for a job that outlined just how much of one's personal life was open to scrutiny and judgement.

It ought be no suprise to her or anyone else involved that if one can be held in "conduct unbecoming" for being drunk in public, one can be held in similar regard for appearing nude in Playboy and referred to as a serviceman or woman.

Precisely. You are not a citizen in the military, but chattel. You sign up to be a slave when you join. "Article 15" means damaging US property-- meaning her. Property.

It grows out of common law. You can't order a citizen to die, so the soldier waives citizenship.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Precisely. You are not a citizen in the military, but chattel. You sign up to be a slave when you join. "Article 15" means damaging US property-- meaning her. Property.

It grows out of common law. You can't order a citizen to die, so the soldier waives citizenship.

Pretty much.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Precisely. You are not a citizen in the military, but chattel. You sign up to be a slave when you join. "Article 15" means damaging US property-- meaning her. Property.

It grows out of common law. You can't order a citizen to die, so the soldier waives citizenship.

You sound as if you hate the military?