The myth of multiculturalism.

Ishmael

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This post by AJ got me thinking about the subject of multiculturalism. And in particular how so many "progressives" worship at the alter of same.

Multiculturalism, why?

Exactly what are the benefits of embracing multiculturalism? Quite frankly I can't think of all that many. Western, and to a great extent Eastern, cultures have absorbed the best of other cultures long ago.

Specifically speaking of the Islamic culture if they were to disappear from the face of the earth tomorrow exactly what would be lost? It's not as if Islam is some recently discovered aboriginal tribe in the heart of the Amazon. Everything that culture has to offer that is/was of any value has already been assimilated. About the only by-product of their disappearance that I can think of is the fact that a blanket of peace will descend on a great portion of the globe along with the vast savings in national treasure and blood that will accompany that disappearance.

To be entirely honest and fair I suspect that the Muslims feel exactly the same way. As a matter of fact a significant number of them are devoting great effort to achieve exactly that.

And the same may be said of almost any culture you care to mention. The best of each has already been assimilated by other cultures. The sciences, the arts, the food, and some of the customs.

In the name of multiculturalism should we accept the cultural norm of slavery that is still practiced by some cultures to this very day? Would it be OK if the descendents of Aztec and Maya returned to the practice of wholesale human sacrifice? Head hunting? Cannibalism?

When the core beliefs of one culture demand the destruction of your own culture is that OK too? Is the core tenet of multiculturalism the embrasure of cultural suicide? Is it a requirement to take as a matter of faith that every other culture is the equal, if not superior, to your own?

At what point are the multiculturalists going to realize that virtually everything that every other culture has to offer that is of any value at all has already been incorporated into their own?

Ishmael
 
You should try to do much less thinking...

Islam is a religion.


No matter how hard you try, pinning the actions of a few fringe players of the religion is ignorant. You can't blame the rest of the one and a half billion for them.

You are busybody, cept your posts are longer.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
It's the foundation laid by the frustrated academic who wishes to be reinstalled in the King's court and to put the men and women of accomplishment through classic Liberalism back under their control, so they resort to inquisition in the name of Social Justice.

A_J's corollary #7, “To the New Age Liberal, the past is an indictment, the present is unjust, and the future will be perfect if and only if they establish the rules and cultural norms for current society.”

Therefore, they become Oikophobes.

Oikophobia

Xenophobia is fear of the alien; oikophobia is fear of the familiar: "the disposition, in any conflict, to side with 'them' against 'us', and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably 'ours.' "

The oik repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed on us from on high by the EU or the UN, though without troubling to consider Terence's question, and defining his political vision in terms of universal values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.
The oik is, in his own eyes, a defender of enlightened universalism against local chauvinism. And it is the rise of the oik that has led to the growing crisis of legitimacy in the nation states of Europe. For we are seeing a massive expansion of the legislative burden on the people of Europe, and a relentless assault on the only loyalties that would enable them voluntarily to bear it. The explosive effect of this has already been felt in Holland and France. It will be felt soon everywhere, and the result may not be what the oiks expect.

Roger Scruton, British philosopher

And because they are fighting for truth, justice and fairness, they have carte blanche to say anything they want all the while passing "Hate Speech" laws to prevent their targets from speaking up against them.

Contemporary leftists, on the other hand, view their opponents as people you send off to the Gulag, unworthy of any respect, deserving of any kind of low blow, no matter how foul. So you accuse Goldwater of insanity, slander Justice Thomas as a sexual monster, casually publish plays, books, and films calling for the assassination of President Bush, and assault the first serious Republican female candidate at her weakest point -- her family. And of course, you scream to high heaven if any form of turnabout occurs in your direction, as in the case of the Obama family, which was declared "off limits" early in the presidential campaign, at the same time that Palin's family was being stretched on the media rack.

This style of political loathing has become effectively innate. It has been systemized to such a degree as to become integral. Modern liberalism cannot do without it. An entire structure has been erected on the basis of political hatred, and from that structure a whole new strategy has arisen.

J.R. Dunn

The Muslims hate the same people they hate, especially the Jews, and they are sufficiently different from that which they seek to force into submission that Islam is a welcome addition to their coalition.
 
Exactly what are the benefits of embracing multiculturalism? Quite frankly I can't think of all that many. Western, and to a great extent Eastern, cultures have absorbed the best of other cultures long ago.

Ishmael

Best is totally subjective.
 
Cannibalism is cool, as is sex with children, and euthanasia too. In one area of Africa kids are abandoned at 3 and babies are used as bait for big cats.
 
"At what point are the multiculturalists going to realize that virtually everything that every other culture has to offer that is of any value at all has already been incorporated into their own?"

Ishmael


They do realize it but rather than recognize the benefit gained, they see the original sin.
 
You should try to do much less thinking...

Islam is a religion.


No matter how hard you try, pinning the actions of a few fringe players of the religion is ignorant. You can't blame the rest of the one and a half billion for them.

You are busybody, cept your posts are longer.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Culture has a myriad of facets, one of which is religion. In any number of cases, because religion underpins both cosmology and worldview, religion is at once, both a major expression and defining characteristic of a culture.
 
Actually, 'best' is subjective because what is 'best' depends entirely on the context in which 'best' is defined.

In the interests on not wanting to get involved in a deflective, non-productive, pissing contest, I'll agree with you. And at the same time point out that the 'best' of science in NOT subjective.

Ishmael
 
Killing those that do not look like us has worked out so well in the past.

Good plan!
 
In the interests on not wanting to get involved in a deflective, non-productive, pissing contest, I'll agree with you. And at the same time point out that the 'best' of science in NOT subjective.

Ishmael

In other words an argument you might lose.


Have fun storming the castle
 
On many occasions I've told shit birds, YOU AINT IN KANSAS ANYMORE. One POS from the islands tied his kid to the coffee table to beat the crap outta the boy. THATS WHAT WE DO IN TRINIDAD!
 
In This Thread: Grampa Ish and his faithful Indian companion once again lament the loss of #WhitePrivilege in Murica.
 
In other words an argument you might lose.


Have fun storming the castle

Seriously? Your very presence on this board puts lie to that.

There are cultures out there that would expunge this site, and any site like it, from the aether. They would expunge any point of view critical or contrary to their own and they would do so by putting the 'offender' to death.

Do you seriously consider such a culture to be the equal of, let alone superior to, your own? Do you feel compelled to embrace, or even tolerate, such a belief system?

Ishmael
 
Seriously? Your very presence on this board puts lie to that.

There are cultures out there that would expunge this site, and any site like it, from the aether. They would expunge any point of view critical or contrary to their own and they would do so by putting the 'offender' to death.

Do you seriously consider such a culture to be the equal of, let alone superior to, your own? Do you feel compelled to embrace, or even tolerate, such a belief system?

Ishmael

What culture are you?
Is this the best YOU have to offer?
Paranoia, Xenophobia, Hate, the notion of " Superior" and "Inferior"?
No one's taken away your right to sound like an asshole yet.
Halleluiah
 
What culture are you?
Is this the best YOU have to offer?
Paranoia, Xenophobia, Hate, the notion of " Superior" and "Inferior"?
No one's taken away your right to sound like an asshole yet.
Halleluiah

Yes, yes, we all understand that the people in the WTC were all paranoid xenophobes.

Do you believe that a culture that treats women as chattel to be used and discarded on a whim to be the equal of, or superior, to your own?

Do you believe that a culture that blames ANY sexual transgression on the female, consensual or otherwise, and deems that all such transgressions to be punishable by death to be the equal of, or superior, to your own?

And in both of the above cases, Islam is not the only culture that cleaves to those beliefs, merely the largest.

Why is it so difficult for you to answer the questions while so easy to merely call names? I'd deem that to be an intellectual vacuum on your part.

Ishmael
 
The myth of multiculturalism?

Nothing mythical about it - it has been the migration default mode throughout history.
Those who have ever lived in another country for any longish period of time know this well. Simple needs push you towards your compatriots - things like the need to communicate and exchange ideas in a language you fully master and in a culture you implicitly understand, to the simple urge to eat familiar food.

In my experience, all cultures and nationalities behave like this - we just refer to our own "multiculturalists" as expats (and indulge briefly in some envy.)
 
Yes, yes, we all understand that the people in the WTC were all paranoid xenophobes.

Do you believe that a culture that treats women as chattel to be used and discarded on a whim to be the equal of, or superior, to your own?

Do you believe that a culture that blames ANY sexual transgression on the female, consensual or otherwise, and deems that all such transgressions to be punishable by death to be the equal of, or superior, to your own?

And in both of the above cases, Islam is not the only culture that cleaves to those beliefs, merely the largest.

Why is it so difficult for you to answer the questions while so easy to merely call names? I'd deem that to be an intellectual vacuum on your part.

Ishmael

Don't stew in that hate and ignorance too long
You'll get pruney toes.
 
What culture are you?
Is this the best YOU have to offer?
Paranoia, Xenophobia, Hate, the notion of " Superior" and "Inferior"?
No one's taken away your right to sound like an asshole yet.
Halleluiah

He's the living embodiment of the aging "bitter clinger" Fox 'n Friends core demographic.
 
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