The Last Taboo

[dr_mabeuse]

We talk a lot about breaking taboos and pushing the limits here, and incest has been mentioned as the last great taboo, but I disagree with that. Judging from the number of hits incest stories get, there's nothing taboo about it at all in most readers' minds. In fact, they find it to be a big turn-on.

No, the last great taboo is male homosexuality. Men who have no trouble reading incest or even bestiality stories will duck and cover at the mention of homosexuality, and while female homosexuality is taken in stride, put two guys getting it on in your story and see what happens.

---dr.M.

 

[kellycummings]

I have a story with two men together and got some very good feedback on it and the voting even came out pretty well considering that I think it's a fairly weak story.
Maybe it just depends on how it is portrayed or even maybe on the mood of the reader at the time.
Who knows.

 

[shereads]

Not sure I agree with your definition of taboos, Dr. M. Maybe the popularity of incest stories is a reflection of there being a strict social taboo, as well as a legal one. I think of taboos - in stories - as the things people fantasize about but would be reluctant to try in real life.

Edited to add: From what I've seen in mainstream erotica written for and by women, women readers seem to have less of a problem with male/male sex as part of a threesome. Male homosexuality is probably not as acceptable when your audience includes hetero males; in books marketed to women at the no-no end of the "romance" spectrum, implicit and explicit sex between men seems to have become more common. As long as we women get the big payoff at the end, the boys are just part of the foreplay show.

Or so I've read.

 

[shereads]

Of course, I personally would never do any of the naughty things I read in dirty stories.

It would be wrong.

I couldn't live with myself.

 

[kellycummings]

Of course, I personally would never do any of the naughty things I read in dirty stories.

It would be wrong.

I couldn't live with myself.

I could

 

[English Lady]

Actually i'll back shereads up on this one..I've noticed that in the erotic books i have read that the more recent ones are much freer with the man on man action......and i must admit...as part of a threesome...I am very impressed!

i don't know if it's a taboo thing of more of a "I'm a manly man" ego/saving face thing for certain guys. Some men would be scared to read man on man stuff in case the got aroused."I'm straight me....none of that gay stuff ooooh no!"

Maybe it's a british thing but alot of men i know are just like that..so straight they are nigh on homophobic.....except for the fact they like the idea of two girlies getting it on

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have one gay male story posted and it is something of a fantasy that a middle-aged gay man might have. A bi-sexual married man meets a stud online and has a really good time. I have had 10,540 views, which is higher than most of my E/C stories and the rating is 4.42, which is about my average. All the feedback has been positive, which is to be expected because it has been from gay men. I would suppose that if people don't like stories of gay men they won't read in that category. In this area, gay men are not such outcasts as they might be other places.

 

[Guest]

Maybe not, dr. M.

excerpt from His Toy Story Ch. 3 - (in progress)

None of my previous sexual experience had prepared me for the intensely erotic scene before me now. My pussy was positively drenched as I watched my man, tall, muscular and hopelessly heterosexual, on his knees, submissively sucking another man. Michael's face was stricken with absolute lust while our mutual friend Marc looked down at him with tenderness and desire. I didn’t want to disrupt them, so I laid back on the pillows and watched, pinching my nipples, stroking my wetness.

Michael was better at this than me, I thought absently, studying his technique. I suppose it takes someone with the same equipment to truly understand. I watched him suck carefully, taking more and more on each stroke. Then he gripped Marc’s ass, pulling him forward as he opened wide to take all of his cock. My husband couldn’t throat as much as I could, I realized, which salvaged my pride somewhat, but what he was doing had our friend huskily groaning and pumping his hips.

I clenched my thighs and lusted after the men in front of me. Did they even realize how exciting they were? My desire took precedence despite the niggling twinges of jealousy that kept threatening to intrude. This is what Michael has been wanting, I told myself. This has been one of his all time fantasies, one that he'd even refused to admit to himself. I stamped hard on the green vapors and allowed myself to relax and wonder just how far he’d allow things to go tonight.

Michael's cock, which had softened a bit when he first got on his knees, was now back in full force. I wanted to climb underneath and apply my tongue, but I also wanted to let them progress without me.

Marc put his hands on my husband’s head and pulled back slightly, breathless, his hard cock pulsing and dripping saliva.

“Oh, yeah,” he breathed. “Damn, you’re good."

Pleased and embarrassed, Michael grinned, wiping his wet lips with the back of one large hand. He met Marc’s eyes and the heat in the room actually increased. They had forgotten for a moment I was even there, I realized, and somehow that thought excited me more than anything else had.

Hands still in his hair, looking down, Marc said softly to him, “I want your ass.”

At those words, I felt a flood of moisture enter my already dripping pussy. I watched Michael hesitate, still kneeling, still looking up. Marc waited a moment, then held out a strong hand for my husband. He slowly stood and for a moment, they were face to face. Both tall, well-formed, hard bodies, thick cocks. Marc pulled Michael forward and as I jammed several fingers in my pussy, kissed him firmly.

Oh my God - watching men kiss was such an incredible turn-on. It was hard but tender, difficult to describe, but watching all that strength barely held in check had me close my own orgasm. . . . . (and so on)


This story series has many reader views and votes. And I've received a tremendous amount of feedback from men regarding the topic.

Maybe it isn't as taboo anymore?

 

[Icingsugar]

Dr M, I don't undestand your logic. People want to read Incest stories, the thought of incest is apparently arousing.

Would that make it non-taboo all of a sudden? It is appealing because it's taboo. If incest, (in stories here it is most often heterosexual sex between family members) was not a social taboo, nobody would give a toss.

I think you are confusing taboo with erotisism.

When it comes to erotica, stuff I would read or watch to get turned on, I don't turn to gay male sex. Why? Because it's taboo? Hell no. It is not taboo at all. It is generally accepted and politically correct to be gay. And gay men have gay sex. Of course they have.

The reason I don't get turned on by gay male erotica is simple. My object of sexual affection is women. It's what floats my boat. There are no women in those stories. I don't find them appalling, just uninterresting as smut.

Give me a story that focuses on the emotional side of a romance or encounter, and I'll read it with equal vigor. It still won't awaken Mini-Me, but then that's not why I'd read it.

Of course, there is a fair share of homophobia among the backwater parts of the male population. But in this day and age, among the more modern of us, that is not why we don't consume gay porn.

 

[BlackSnake]

Dr. M pointed out something that hasn't crossed my mind, but it true. I never even given the thought to a man-man story. Shereads explained it, so I will just state my reasoning.

I put myself as the viewer or as one of the characters in the story. Girl-girl or guy-girl no matter the category. I thought that I wasn't homophobic, but maybe I should check myself again. It's hard for me to visual two men together.

Maybe we can state it as a personal taboo. I'm going to work on mine with a story I'm working on now. Look in my signature for the Harmonie link.

 

[shereads]

Maybe it's a british thing but alot of men i know are just like that..so straight they are nigh on homophobic.....except for the fact they like the idea of two girlies getting it on

True. I don't enjoy girl/girl sex in stories, but I won't avoid stories that have that as an aspect. I don't think straight women tend to be afraid of associating with lesbians. It's not that I think straight men are more closed-minded about homosexuality, necessarily - although some certainly are downright paranoid about it, as EL said; maybe it's that as a woman, I know that if I were attracted to other women, most men wouldn't mind at all. I know that because there's so much girl/girl sex in men's erotica, both written and in the visual arts.

So, aside from whatever social stigma your particular community might place on homosexuality, straight women at least are not burdened with the fear that we'll be found less attractive to the opposite sex if we're believed to be gay or bisexual.

I wonder if the presence of male/male/female sex in women's erotica - mainstream authors like Robin Schone come to mind - will eventually make male homosexuality less of a taboo for heterosexual male readers.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that." -- Jerry Seinfeld

 

[BlackSnake]

Maybe it's an idenity thing with the reader. Readers sometimes like to identify with a character in a story. Maybe some men can't identify with the characters in a man-man story.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

A taboo is something that people look down on. Yes, incest gets a lot of reads, and even feedback, but you don't see or hear people talking about how they got it on with their aunt in real life or even on the boards (unless you count the trolls).

Gay sex, however, has a huge following. Gay men, of course find the category arousing. However, many straight and bisexual women also find the idea of man on man sex incredibly sexy. Witness the huge female followings of such shows as "Queer as Folk" which is soft core porn. Straight women also have proven to be a big audience for gay male porn.

However, I don't see an incest board here on lit. I don't have any friends who are openly practicing incest. By contrast, we have a gay board here on lit and gays are very much part of mainstream america these days. Some of the biggest cultural icons right now are gay. The same can't be said of people who openly practice incest.

You're way off on this one.

 

[Boxlicker101]

We talk a lot about breaking taboos and pushing the limits here, and incest has been mentioned as the last great taboo, but I disagree with that. Judging from the number of hits incest stories get, there's nothing taboo about it at all in most readers' minds. In fact, they find it to be a big turn-on.

No, the last great taboo is male homosexuality. Men who have no trouble reading incest or even bestiality stories will duck and cover at the mention of homosexuality, and while female homosexuality is taken in stride, put two guys getting it on in your story and see what happens.

---dr.M.

I don't think anybody agrees with you on this one, Doc. Personally, I think beastiality is a greater taboo than incest but it's pretty close between them. Homosexuality, either male or female isn't much of a taboo at all. About fifty miles from where I live, thousands of gay couples have been married in the last week. I doubt if the mariages will prove to be legal but millions of people, including myself, are cheering for the persons involved.

If two siblings, MM, MF or FF were to apply for a marriage license together, they would be greeted with hoots of derision, even from the recently married gay couples. Nobody would be on their side. Even a union that is not illegal but is between related persons such as step-siblings or in-laws is frowned on. Such marriages are legal but are scorned by most, even those who believe in same-sex marriage.

One of the reasons that incest is such a taboo is that it frequently involves children. Our stories on Lit involve adults only but in real life, it is often fathers and young daughters or other abusive relationships. In other words, it has a double stigma, child abuse and incest.

 

[shereads]

Homosexual incest in combination with beastiality, particularly if the beast is under 18 (in dog years). Now, there's a taboo.

 

[BlackSnake]

OK, the perspective taken is wrong. Culturally speaking, man-man is in and brother-sister is out.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Homosexual incest in combination with beastiality, particularly if the beast is under 18 (in dog years). Now, there's a taboo.

How about incestual beastiality? If there are two sheep farms and the son of one of the farmers fucks his father's lamb, that is incestuous, beastiality AND child abuse. If he fucks the neighbor's sheep, that is not so bad.

 

[Icingsugar]

Maybe it's an idenity thing with the reader. Readers sometimes like to identify with a character in a story. Maybe some men can't identify with the characters in a man-man story.

Remember, we're talking about sex fiction here. I think it's simpler than that. The reader wants to identify with one of the characters. Why? So that he can have sex with the other character. In a way. it's an aide, or stimulation for sexual imagination, so the setup have to match the perimeters of the reader to work. If the other character is someone who the reader wouldn't fancy, there is no deal.

I discussed this with a friend of mine recently. He is straight and he is not attracted to asian women. Not at all. It is not racism or xenophobia, just a sexual preference. So he don't read erotic fiction that features those, in the same way that he don't read erotic fiction that is pure gay men.

/Ice

 

[BlackSnake]

Remember, we're talking about sex fiction here. I think it's simpler than that. The reader wants to identify with one of the characters. Why? So that he can have sex with the other character. In a way. it's an aide, or stimulation for sexual imagination, so the setup have to match the perimeters of the reader to work. If the other character is someone who the reader wouldn't fancy, there is no deal.

I discussed this with a friend of mine recently. He is straight and he is not attracted to asian women. Not at all. It is not racism or xenophobia, just a sexual preference. So he don't read erotic fiction that features those, in the same way that he don't read erotic fiction that is pure gay men.

/Ice

Put more eloquently, but the same idea.

 

[NoJo]

A taboo is something that people look down on.

A taboo is something forbidden -- it's entered the language from Freud, who wrote "Totem and Taboo".

A taboo is very far from looked down on: The opposite is closer: Rather, it's feared. Freud described how certain tribeseman considered having sex as taboo before they went hunting, becasue they believed that this would take away their power (I guess that depended on how good the sex was).

Sex with a menstruating woman is taboo in a few religions, I guess basically for the same reason as the tribesmen gave: All that blood. Scary! (crosses fingers, spits three times).

(personally, I find a woman a lot more scary in the few days before her period).

 

[Guest]

(personally, I find a woman a lot more scary in the few days before her period).

You'd better watch your ass, Joe.

Making comments like that? You're just asking to get your eyes scratched out.

 

[NoJo]

You'd better watch your ass, Joe.

Making comments like that? You're just asking to get your eyes scratched out.

Sorry, I didn't know it was your time of the month

(runs for cover)

 

[Guest]

OK, I'm laughing.

Truthfully.

I find it very funny.

Amusing, even.


(Just sleep with one eye open for awhile, baby!)

 

[Boxlicker101]

A taboo is something forbidden -- it's entered the language from Freud, who wrote "Totem and Taboo".

A taboo is very far from looked down on: The opposite is closer: Rather, it's feared. Freud described how certain tribeseman considered having sex as taboo before they went hunting, becasue they believed that this would take away their power (I guess that depended on how good the sex was).

Sex with a menstruating woman is taboo in a few religions, I guess basically for the same reason as the tribesmen gave: All that blood. Scary! (crosses fingers, spits three times).

(personally, I find a woman a lot more scary in the few days before her period).

The word itself is of Polynesian origin and it did mean something forbidden either because it is evil or, just the opposite, consecrated. In the US, taboo and illegal don't mean the same thing although some activities are both. Eating pussy in CA was illegal until the seventies but not taboo and men talked openly of it. Child abuse is illegal and taboo. Sex between blood siblings is incest and both illegal and taboo. Sex between step siblings is not illegal but it is taboo. Step brothers and sisters can legally get married because they are not relatred by blood but a lot of people frown on it and it would be considered taboo.

I agree that a woman is more scary just before her period but she can be even scarier during menopause.

 

[destinie21]

It's a pity really that time of the month tends to put a damper on the lip service.

the Mrs who thanks god for fingers strap ons and vibes