The Hutaree Militia

[stephen55]

(March 29) -- Nine alleged members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit in an alleged 17-month plot to attack and kill local, state and federal law enforcement officials.

On the heels of weekend raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, the FBI unsealed an indictment today revealing charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction and teaching the use of explosive materials. The charges were filed against nine alleged members of the Hutaree militia, which writes on its Web site that it is preparing for battle with the anti-Christ.

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...arged-with-plotting-to-kill-officers/19417964

A question for Ann Coulter...

With deranged Christian militants inside the gates, why bother trying to keep out the deranged Muslim militants?

Oh, a few more questions...does this mean that all Christians go on the No Fly list? Does it mean that Christians can walk on water if they want to travel?

Just askin'....

 

[Bobby_3111]

(March 29) -- Nine alleged members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit in an alleged 17-month plot to attack and kill local, state and federal law enforcement officials.

On the heels of weekend raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, the FBI unsealed an indictment today revealing charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction and teaching the use of explosive materials. The charges were filed against nine alleged members of the Hutaree militia, which writes on its Web site that it is preparing for battle with the anti-Christ.

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...arged-with-plotting-to-kill-officers/19417964

A question for Ann Coulter...

With deranged Christian militants inside the gates, why bother trying to keep out the deranged Muslim militants?

Oh, a few more questions...does this mean that all Christians go on the No Fly list? Does it mean that Christians can walk on water if they want to travel?

Just askin'....

Religion tends to cloud judgement for a lot of people these days. Doesnt matter what the deity's name is they all use it to justify their bullshit.

 

[rgraham666]

Too many people turn to a doctrine; religious, economic or political; looking for an excuse. It's guidelines, ethics, that they should be turning to.

 

[xssve]

I done told you all about them Dominionists.

These ones are all into that "Left Behind" RPG from what I can tell.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

While not all Christians are terrorists, only a very few terrorists are Christian.

On the other hand...

While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.

While both these axioms are true there is little doubt that in both religious beliefs there are radical and somewhat vocal elements in each.

 

[sr71plt]

While not all Christians are terrorists, only a very few terrorists are Christian.

On the other hand...

While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.

While both these axioms are true there is little doubt that in both religious beliefs there are radical and somewhat vocal elements in each.

They are only axioms from one perspective. One rub is the definition of terrorism; a larger rub is that there are other perspectives around. On a world scale, this perspective likely doesn't even predominate over others. (Walk down a street in Xian, or Madras, or Bandung, or Damascus and check out some of the perspectives out there on who is engaging in terrorism and who isn't).

(I'm thinking you don't even know where some of these places are--or that there are a hell of lot more people there than there probably are in your hometown. )

 

[xssve]

While not all Christians are terrorists, only a very few terrorists are Christian.

On the other hand...

While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.

While both these axioms are true there is little doubt that in both religious beliefs there are radical and somewhat vocal elements in each.

Yeah, we all know Christians and real American hold human life in the highest regard above all else.

Unless they're gay or the wrong color.

They especially love them babies and old people.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

They are only axioms from one perspective. One rub is the definition of terrorism; a larger rub is that there are other perspectives around. On a world scale, this perspective likely doesn't even predominate over others. (Walk down a street in Xian, or Madras, or Bandung, or Damascus and check out some of the perspectives out there on who is engaging in terrorism and who isn't).

(I'm thinking you don't even know where some of these places are--or that there are a hell of lot more people there than there probably are in your hometown. )

Oh I know where they are. I'm not a government educated ObamaZombie.

And while it is true it depends on where you are standing that make an axiom true, I happen to be standing in a country that has be attacked more than once by Muslim Terrorists.

And although there have been homegrown terrorists here. There are more Muslim ones out there than homegrown Christian ones here.

ETA: Of course with every suicide bombing there are less of them out there.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

All of ROB's beliefs are based on fear of the dark.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not a government educated ObamaZombie.

Oh, I could have guessed that. Of course neither am I--although certainly in your knee-jerk dogmatism you stick me there. If you go back and check, I was posting before the election that the lad wasn't ready for the job yet--but probably would be in the next election.

I'll happily admit to being educated in government. I wouldn't want to be any other way.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh I know where they are. I'm not a government educated ObamaZombie.

And while it is true it depends on where you are standing that make an axiom true, I happen to be standing in a country that has be attacked more than once by Muslim Terrorists.

And although there have been homegrown terrorists here. There are more Muslim ones out there than homegrown Christian ones here.

ETA: Of course with every suicide bombing there are less of them out there.

And every speech by a rightwing pundit makes a new teabagger. So by your logic the Xtian terrorists will outnumber the Muslims eventually.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And every speech by a rightwing pundit makes a new teabagger. So by your logic the Xtian terrorists will outnumber the Muslims eventually.

Not really...as the Muslim population is breeding faster than any other in the world. Hopefully, the religion grows up and finds the peace it preaches so forcefully.

 

[rgraham666]

Won't happen. Christians often hate each other more than they hate Muslims etc.

 

[sr71plt]

as the Muslim population is breeding faster than

You have documentation of that? (Been to India lately?)

 

[midwestyankee]

You have documentation of that? (Been to India lately?)

Or Mexico, or South America? It would appear that some of our Christian brothers have figured our mass reproduction as well.

 

[bronzeage]

While not all Christians are terrorists, only a very few terrorists are Christian.

On the other hand...

While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim.

While both these axioms are true there is little doubt that in both religious beliefs there are radical and somewhat vocal elements in each.

If you don't count Slobodan Milosevic, who was born in an Orthodox (Christian) family. Then there is the Irish Republican Army, who as far as we know are Roman Catholic (also Christian).

No religion seems immune from the appeal of terrorism.

The Jewish Defense League fits most definitions of a terrorist organization. The Red Army Faction (Baader-Meinhof Gang) may have been Lutheran, certainly not Muslim. Japan has the Aum Shinrikyo, who are so cool, they created their own religion.

It's not true that most terrorists are Muslin. It's just that the ones who pay the most attention to us are Muslim.

 

[Bobby_3111]

All major religions have their fanatics but I dont believe the old polytheistic religions have as many as the monotheistic ones do. Judaism, Islam, Christianity all seem to have the higest body count.

All of them thinking they follow the *one* true god, need to purify the world, etc. I think we'd be better off if Abraham, Mohommad, and Jesus all decided to become hermits and died alone in the mountains somewhere.

 

[sr71plt]

All major religions have their fanatics but I dont believe the old polytheistic religions have as many as the monotheistic ones do. Judaism, Islam, Christianity all seem to have the higest body count.

All of them thinking they follow the *one* true god, need to purify the world, etc. I think we'd be better off if Abraham, Mohommad, and Jesus all decided to become hermits and died alone in the mountains somewhere.

Bingo. Except in the case of Jesus. Christianity isn't a "Jesus" church. It's Pauline. You know, Paul, once named Saul, the guy who had Stephen and a whole lot others stoned for being heretics before he started a new career in the Christian church. What the biblical Jesus did and advocated isn't what the Pauline Christian church does--or advocates by much of anything but lip service.

 

[Bobby_3111]

Bingo. Except in the case of Jesus. Christianity isn't a "Jesus" church. It's Pauline. You know, Paul, once named Saul, the guy who had Stephen and a whole lot others stoned for being heretics before he started a new career in the Christian church. What the biblical Jesus did and advocated isn't what the Pauline Christian church does--or advocates by much of anything but lip service.

If Jesus hadnt of lived then Paul would have been pulling fish out of the sea till the day he died. Paul may have been a lot of things and did a lot of things to change the way people viewed the early church but he wasnt the source, only the successor. According to catholics anyway.

 

[sr71plt]

If Jesus hadnt of lived then Paul would have been pulling fish out of the sea till the day he died. Paul may have been a lot of things and did a lot of things to change the way people viewed the early church but he wasnt the source, only the successor. According to catholics anyway.

The Christian church wasn't put together until long after Jesus was gone. Jesus was a Jew--and proud of it. The Christian church is Pauline (and the guide for what went into the Bible--Catholic or otherwise--and what didn't was whether or not it was a Pauline text).

(And, oh, by the way, Paul was a tent maker not a fisherman. And tent making in those days was a higher-category profession.)

 

[Bobby_3111]

The Christian church wasn't put together until long after Jesus was gone. Jesus was a Jew--and proud of it. The Christian church is Pauline (and the guide for what went into the Bible--Catholic or otherwise--and what didn't was whether or not it was a Pauline text).

(And, oh, by the way, Paul was a tent maker not a fisherman. And tent making in those days was a higher-category profession.)

The official *bible* as we know it today wasnt formed in those early days, it was hammered out at the Council of Nicaea in constantinople. The people followed whatever sect they wanted to (churches started by each apostle) and read whatever writings they wished before the council. Afterwards Constantine the roman emporer worked to bring all of them together into a single church along with the pagan religions of the empire.

And I didnt know that part about Paul, I knew that a lot of the apostles were fisherman and assumed he was one as well, i stand corrected.

 

[Stella_Omega]

All major religions have their fanatics but I dont believe the old polytheistic religions have as many as the monotheistic ones do. Judaism, Islam, Christianity all seem to have the higest body count.

All of them thinking they follow the *one* true god, need to purify the world, etc. I think we'd be better off if Abraham, Mohommad, and Jesus all decided to become hermits and died alone in the mountains somewhere.

Okay, now you have my total respect.

 

[sr71plt]

The official *bible* as we know it today wasnt formed in those early days, it was hammered out at the Council of Nicaea in constantinople. The people followed whatever sect they wanted to (churches started by each

Well, yes, I didn't say otherwise. And the control the Council of Nicaea put on what went into the Bible was whether the text was Pauline. The Christian church is a Pauline church, not a Jesus church. In the days after Jesus was crucified, the Jesus movement was split in Jerusalem. Jesus' borther, James, became the nominal head and was returning everything to fold back into Judiasm. Barnabus tooled off and brought Paul back to Jerusalem with him in an attempt to stave that off, and Peter ultimately sided with Paul. Then Paul started traveling and opening the church up to gentiles. Without Paul, there would be no Christian church. Peter was pretty useless and James saw it as a Jewish sect.

(And speaking of Jesus, the Muslims include him in their list of prophets, so it isn't Jesus they are are objecting to.)

 

[Bobby_3111]

Well, yes, I didn't say otherwise. And the control the Council of Nicaea put on what went into the Bible was whether the text was Pauline. The Christian church is a Pauline church, not a Jesus church. In the days after Jesus was crucified, the Jesus movement was split in Jerusalem. Jesus' borther, James, became the nominal head and was returning everything to fold back into Judiasm. Barnabus tooled off and brought Paul back to Jerusalem with him in an attempt to stave that off, and Peter ultimately sided with Paul. Then Paul started traveling and opening the church up to gentiles. Without Paul, there would be no Christian church. Peter was pretty useless and James saw it as a Jewish sect.

(And speaking of Jesus, the Muslims include him in their list of prophets, so it isn't Jesus they are are objecting to.)

Ok, i'm getting a headache, to be continued later, it's been a very long day.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Not really...as the Muslim population is breeding faster than any other in the world. Hopefully, the religion grows up and finds the peace it preaches so forcefully.

I don't believe that's true. According to the Asian Times the Muslim, especially the Arab and Iranian Muslim birthrate is declining faster than anyone's. There was also a story stating that the conversion of Muslim to Christian had the mullahs in a panic. Of course, if they're converting to the Hutaree Militia it's hardly cause for rejoicing!