The hunting thread.

[Ishmael]

Thought I'd start one for those of us that engage in the such activities.

So much for the reason for the thread.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

The limit for Nelchina caribou has been doubled for this season.

 

[Christobal]

My parents and grand parents lived through the depression and hunted for food to eat. It wasn't for fun. It was how meat got on the table. They would take it to the butcher and he would turn in into steaks and sausage and everything inbetween. That type of hunting is ok in my book.

Hunting to get your picture taken with a dead animal. That's as sick as fuck. You are a sadist freak.

 

[thør]

My parents and grand parents lived through the depression and hunted for food to eat. It wasn't for fun. It was how meat got on the table. They would take it to the butcher and he would turn in into steaks and sausage and everything inbetween. That type of hunting is ok in my book.

When I was young, we never had the money to take the meat to the butcher. We did all that butchering, ourselves.

 

[toeskr]

I hunt, I butcher, I eat. Delicious.

 

[Ishmael]

Currently I'm trying to set up a hunt for feral hogs on some private land. In this state feral hogs are considered an invasive specie. No season, no limit, no license required. My hunting partner is a retired Game and Fish officer with 28 years on the force. I thought that that would be a bonus when trying to obtain permission to hunt private land. Turns out that that may not be the case.

The land owners whose land is being devastated by these hogs surely want them gone. So does the state and the Feds. But the land owners are leery of allowing hunters on their property and especially if they have a wildlife enforcement background. Not because they've done anything wrong, but because of the Endangered Species Act and the environmental whacko's out there they are fearful that any hunter they allow on their land may be on a 'fishing expedition' and upon finding that there is some superficial evidence that the Lesser New Mexican Elk Dung Beetle MAY be on their property the Feds will swoop in and tell them what they can and cannot do with their own property. So they're caught in a dilemma. They have a problem but fear the solution will only lead to even bigger problems. Another classic example of unintended consequences.

From the hunters perspective, they are a challenge to hunt. Texas has been trying to rid themselves of the problem for decades now with no success. The hogs are reproducing and expanding their territory faster than they can be harvested. But they damn sure make for a tasty Bar-B-Que.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

The limit for Nelchina caribou has been doubled for this season.

Same for cow Elk in the Southern portion of the state this year. 400 in each zone up from 200 last year. Bull permits have been held to the same level.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Currently I'm trying to set up a hunt for feral hogs on some private land.
Ishmael

You have a small refrigerator van set up to contain all the carcasses??

 

[Christobal]

When I was young, we never had the money to take the meat to the butcher. We did all that butchering, ourselves.

Money never changed hands. The butcher kept some meat. He also had a smokehouse so some of the meat was cured for us.

 

[thør]

Money never changed hands. The butcher kept some meat. He also had a smokehouse so some of the meat was cured for us.

It's against the law for sell "sport or subsistence" game meat. Ot to trade it for services.

We always had half a moose and a caribou in the freezer for the winter.

 

[Ishmael]

You have a small refrigerator van set up to contain all the carcasses??

Ya know, I thought of that. Then I thought of how hard it was to bag one of those bastards.

If I can get lucky enough to get some land access this spring I'll just hook'em through the snout and chuck'em in the river. The runoff water temps are about 35 deg. Should keep the meat until other arrangements can be made. Quite frankly if I only took one I'd still probably use the river to 'chill' it down.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Ya know, I thought of that. Then I thought of how hard it was to bag one of those bastards.

If I can get lucky enough to get some land access this spring I'll just hook'em through the snout and chuck'em in the river. The runoff water temps are about 35 deg. Should keep the meat until other arrangements can be made. Quite frankly if I only took one I'd still probably use the river to 'chill' it down.

Ishmael

I bagged some blacktails down in SE Alaska a while ago. The guy I went with had a salt water pump on his boat. We hosed the carcasses out with seawater. Just the best cleaner for the innards..

 

[Christobal]

It's against the law for sell "sport or subsistence" game meat. Ot to trade it for services.

I have no idea when those laws came into effect but before the late 60's it wasn't a problem.

 

[toeskr]

Currently I'm trying to set up a hunt for feral hogs on some private land. In this state feral hogs are considered an invasive specie. No season, no limit, no license required. My hunting partner is a retired Game and Fish officer with 28 years on the force. I thought that that would be a bonus when trying to obtain permission to hunt private land. Turns out that that may not be the case.

The land owners whose land is being devastated by these hogs surely want them gone. So does the state and the Feds. But the land owners are leery of allowing hunters on their property and especially if they have a wildlife enforcement background. Not because they've done anything wrong, but because of the Endangered Species Act and the environmental whacko's out there they are fearful that any hunter they allow on their land may be on a 'fishing expedition' and upon finding that there is some superficial evidence that the Lesser New Mexican Elk Dung Beetle MAY be on their property the Feds will swoop in and tell them what they can and cannot do with their own property. So they're caught in a dilemma. They have a problem but fear the solution will only lead to even bigger problems. Another classic example of unintended consequences.

From the hunters perspective, they are a challenge to hunt. Texas has been trying to rid themselves of the problem for decades now with no success. The hogs are reproducing and expanding their territory faster than they can be harvested. But they damn sure make for a tasty Bar-B-Que.

Ishmael

Hopefully the new administration will get rid of a great deal of these ridiculous regulations that prohibit private landowners from properly taking care of what they need to.

 

[thør]

I have no idea when those laws came into effect but before the late 60's it wasn't a problem.

I'm pretty certain those laws were in effect in Alaska at or just after statehood.

 

[Ishmael]

I bagged some blacktails down in SE Alaska a while ago. The guy I went with had a salt water pump on his boat. We hosed the carcasses out with seawater. Just the best cleaner for the innards..

Not an option here unless I take a water softening system with me.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Not an option here unless I take a water softening system with me.

Ishmael

Yup....I always hate to get fresh water on the meat.

 

[Ishmael]

Yup....I always hate to get fresh water on the meat.

It is a problem, but you have given my a thought. Softening salt is cheap and creating a backwater pool is easy. Chill'N'Brine all in one fell swoop.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

It is a problem, but you have given my a thought. Softening salt is cheap and creating a backwater pool is easy. Chill'N'Brine all in one fell swoop.

Ishmael

I have found that a 50/50 mix of lemon juice and tabasco, fogged onto the meat, helps to keep the flies away and bacteria at bay while the meat hangs. Don't breath this shit in.

 

[Ishmael]

I have found that a 50/50 mix of lemon juice and tabasco, fogged onto the meat, helps to keep the flies away and bacteria at bay while the meat hangs. Don't breath this shit in.

Fortunately pork doesn't need aging unless you plan on making ham. But I'll keep that in mind for other meats, as well as staying upwind.

In other news, everyone seems to be going ape shit over the 6.5 Creedmor. Sub MOA is the norm in the hands of a good shooter. Hadn't heard any results from hunters though, just paper punchers. Well, a hunting guide friend of mine took a nanny Ibex last week at 550 yds. He used the 143 gr. Hornady ELD-X and had a Leupold scope with the custom BDC option. I'm impressed but still leery of the retained energy at distance on larger game.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

Fortunately pork doesn't need aging unless you plan on making ham. But I'll keep that in mind for other meats, as well as staying upwind.

In other news, everyone seems to be going ape shit over the 6.5 Creedmor. Sub MOA is the norm in the hands of a good shooter. Hadn't heard any results from hunters though, just paper punchers. Well, a hunting guide friend of mine took a nanny Ibex last week at 550 yds. He used the 143 gr. Hornady ELD-X and had a Leupold scope with the custom BDC option. I'm impressed but still leery of the retained energy at distance on larger game.

Ishmael

I'm told that 6mm is dandy for pigs.

I'm all for a well placed heavier bullet.

 

[Ishmael]

I'm told that 6mm is dandy for pigs.

I'm all for a well placed heavier bullet.

I'm not buying the 6 on hogs. They are thick skinned SOB's. Up to 200 yds, fine. Beyond that is a prob. even with well placed shots. I've seen what a wounded, pissed off, hog can do and have no desire to go crawling into the thickets to finish the job. They have the skin, and attitude, of a Cape Buffalo.

Ishmael

 

[toeskr]

300 win mag.
All species except for some pronghorn, depending upon how you prepare the round.

 

[Ishmael]

300 win mag.
All species except for some pronghorn, depending upon how you prepare the round.

Good all around cartridge for virtually all N. American game. If you can only afford one, it's one of the few on the list.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

I'm not buying the 6 on hogs. They are thick skinned SOB's. Up to 200 yds, fine. Beyond that is a prob. even with well placed shots. I've seen what a wounded, pissed off, hog can do and have no desire to go crawling into the thickets to finish the job. They have the skin, and attitude, of a Cape Buffalo.

Ishmael

.338 Win Mag, my go to game getter.

But, a 30-06 will always put food on the table.