The Gor books.

[KillerMuffin]

How many have read at least half of one of his books. What's his name, John Norman or something?

What did you think? Did it make you hot, cold, or neither?

I got hot. So hot, I was gonna track the muthafucka down and show him what slavery was all about. Most of it, I just found insipid and distasteful. It is, when when is not of the lifestyle, a rather dumb story, in my opinion. Why? Because the concept of sexual slavery isn't interesting to me. That's the only draw to the book, the rest of it isn't very good at all and the writing is less than impressive. Either that or I was reacting to the bit where the author said that all women want to be slaves, they just don't know it yet. Yeah, I want to be a slave, just long enough to teach him that some slaves turn just like those cute, sweet Dobermans do.

Am I the only person who wants to beat some servility into this guy? Or is there an intelligent viewpoint out there that is different than mine.

 

[DarlingBri]

There is an intelligent viewpoint other than your, but I am way, way too fucking afraid to share it with you

::backs out slowly::

 

[KillerMuffin]

Why? I happen to like WriterDom a great deal, and Mistress Hecate, two people one would think I'd like to take after with an interesting assortment of dull knives and a handheld propane blowtorch. I asked for opinions, specifically ones that are contrary to mine, I am a big muffin, I can take it. Just don't add, "Oh yeah, and you're truck is ugly too!" and we'll be okay

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

You are my slave bitch!!!

.

 

[DarlingBri]

Your truck is really, really beautiful

I think it's just the old idea that women really want to be dominated, tarted up as slavery for shock and titilation value.

There's nothing new there. If the theory were not applicable to some extent across a broad spectrum of the population, neither the theory nor the books would find and popularity.

 

[Weird Harold]

How many have read at least half of one of his books. What's his name, John Norman or something?

I have read 22 of the first 24 books in the Gor series. (I haven't been able to find copies of the two I'm missing.)

If you skip over the repititive rantings about how women can't be fulfilled until they are enslaved, the 22 I've read would make about five good adventure fantasies.

To me, the scariest thing about the Gor novels, is that John Norman really believes the misogynist philosophy he spouts every other chapter. His only other published work (that I know of) is a treatise on how to enslave women. I don't recall the title offhand and have never seen a copy of it -- just the title in books in print.

You might like the "Crystals of Mida" series by Sharon Green better than the Gor stories. They are very similar in plot, but without the constant preaching.

 

[KillerMuffin]

You are my slave bitch!!!


I would really like to see you try.



Thanks WH and DB. I pretty much thought the guy was a fruitcake who needed to be turned loose in a rabid NOW convention. Just for giggles. I was having difficulty understanding it this concept was one of those BDSM things that was just beyond my ken or if the guy was just fucked up.

 

[April]

I think he's just fucked up.

 

[SpectreT]

Gor?

I made it through one of the books, don't remember which one, but mostly what it gave me was a chuckle. I have never... and The Beast means never, run into *anyone* who wanted to be a 24/7 slave, especially in the sense of that world's slaves. I've met a few girls who like a confident man (or woman, in one case) to "take charge" where sex is concerned, but they leave it in the bedroom, or their "basement dungeons". That said, I kind of liked the bit about the color-coded cords, kind of a societal signal.

For the most part, though, I thought it was silly. Sure, there's a genetic imperative for men to dominate, and a reciprocal urge in women to be submissive, but the truth is, we're all (mostly) intellegent, reasoning, biengs, capable of overcoming biological programming when it doesn't suit us. Just ask a fireman why he heads into a burning house, and the answer comes back, to save someone's life.

But at the risk of one's own. Our drives and desires are there, and we, as a species and as individuals, are happiest when we follow them, but different *individuals* have different needs and desires. And, sometimes these desires are counter to our own continued survival.

I didn't want to rant, here, but apparently sex and power issues are going to remain a hot topic for some time to come. When it comes to such things, I'm a philosopher first, a man second, and a hopping, screaming, drooling bundle of Id last. That Id kind of likes playing games, but even he blinks at the kind of malarkey spread in the Gor novels.