The future is dense, walkable cities.

[HisArpy]

What are you referring to when you say "transportation desert"?

If you don't know the terminology of the subject YOU CREATED then the rest of what you have to say is just as nonsensical.

Further, the "I don't understand what you mean" thing is beginning to appear to be the dodge you employ whenever you get your ass handed to you.

 

[HisArpy]

Rail is much cheaper and more energy efficient per mile than driving on paved roads. We may eventually reach a consensus and need to rebuild the rail network that the nation had and mostly abandoned, when the nation is too poor to do anything else.

Per ton it's cheaper over distance. For short lightweight movement of people and goods it's actually more expensive.

Just as you car gets better mileage on the highway than in town, so do trains. Worse, that's a lot of mass to start and stop frequently in order to load/offload commuters and it takes boatloads of energy to do it. On a "per person" ratio, a commuter train costs more to operate. That gets offset somewhat with more passengers but it's still not as efficient.

 

[HisArpy]

It is entirely possible to live off the grid, in fact I know people in my area that do. No power from the grid at all. The greatest issue is those on the grid can't imagine life without electricity from he grid, without the internet, without running water, without, without, without...all the luxuries we have come to expect as everyday necessities.

Off grid used to be the way everyone lived 150 years ago. It's not "novel or new."

 

[AlexBailey]

If you don't know the terminology of the subject YOU CREATED then the rest of what you have to say is just as nonsensical.

Further, the "I don't understand what you mean" thing is beginning to appear to be the dodge you employ whenever you get your ass handed to you.

You just can’t be bothered to explain your brilliance?

 

[AlexBailey]

Off grid used to be the way everyone lived 150 years ago. It's not "novel or new."

Right? And the American west was won on free range, non-GMO, organic beef.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If you don't know the terminology of the subject YOU CREATED then the rest of what you have to say is just as nonsensical.

Further, the "I don't understand what you mean" thing is beginning to appear to be the dodge you employ whenever you get your ass handed to you.

You misunderstand my question. I know what a transportation desert is. I want to know how you think building walkable neighborhoods creates or exacerbates them. You seem flummoxed by the idea of a city where everyone doesn’t drive private cars everywhere.

“Bus drivers need cars to get to work.” is a mass transit critique I’ve never heard before.

 

[HisArpy]

Why are you projecting that there would only be 100 residents in a 15 minute area?
I live in one that has more than 8k and most are in single family dwellings.

Why are you projecting that 100 out of 100 would be business owners?

How does it make sense that what you’re saying is true of any model no mater the size?

Some people will likely still commute out of the area, how does that “defeat the concept”?

It was an example you MORON. 100 was chosen because it's a small number most people can grasp in size.

And of course you managed to fuck yourself by not understanding any of it and thought it was real.

 

[HisArpy]

You misunderstand my question. I know what a transportation desert is. I want to know how you think building walkable neighborhoods creates or exacerbates them. You seem flummoxed by the idea of a city where everyone doesn’t drive private cars everywhere.

“Bus drivers need cars to get to work.” is a mass transit critique I’ve never heard before.

Your problem is that you're simple minded. In order to get employees, cities need to continue to expand into suburban and rural areas. YOU THINK that only cities like Los Angeles do this but every city does it, including the surrounding municipalities like Thousand Oaks, Malibu, Sun Valley and so on. Those cities are growing too and the space they're taking over are the suburbs and rural areas between them and Los Angeles.

Areas which HAVE LITTLE TO NO mass transit access except after commuting over distance. Which is the definition of a transportation desert. And which is also something your "plan" (for lack of a better word) doesn't acknowledge or deal with.

So spare us the claptrap, you don't know what you're talking about, your idea isn't designed to work in the real world, and it doesn't encompass all of the facts necessary to even get off the ground let alone actually function. It is basically a child's version of how things work without that child having any ability to think and rationalize how to solve the problems their idea creates so it just ignores them.

Which happens to fit within the definition of a fantasy.

 

[AlexBailey]

It was an example you MORON. 100 was chosen because it's a small number most people can grasp in size.

And of course you managed to fuck yourself by not understanding any of it and thought it was real.

So again, in your brilliant example you said 100 out of 100 residents would be business owners.

 

[phrodeau]

Per ton it's cheaper over distance. For short lightweight movement of people and goods it's actually more expensive.

Just as you car gets better mileage on the highway than in town, so do trains. Worse, that's a lot of mass to start and stop frequently in order to load/offload commuters and it takes boatloads of energy to do it. On a "per person" ratio, a commuter train costs more to operate. That gets offset somewhat with more passengers but it's still not as efficient.

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...-five U.S.,rural areas is virtually unchanged.

 

[HisArpy]

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[stxjimmy]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

That’s the way to win a debate?

 

[AlexBailey]

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

Wait for it…. Harpy’s turrets fit should be coming…. any second now….

Oh man! He ticked before I could post this!

That’s the way to win a debate?

@HisArpy has fewer cylinders firing than grandpa Joe.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Your problem is that you're simple minded. In order to get employees, cities need to continue to expand into suburban and rural areas. YOU THINK that only cities like Los Angeles do this but every city does it, including the surrounding municipalities like Thousand Oaks, Malibu, Sun Valley and so on. Those cities are growing too and the space they're taking over are the suburbs and rural areas between them and Los Angeles.

Areas which HAVE LITTLE TO NO mass transit access except after commuting over distance. Which is the definition of a transportation desert. And which is also something your "plan" (for lack of a better word) doesn't acknowledge or deal with.

So spare us the claptrap, you don't know what you're talking about, your idea isn't designed to work in the real world, and it doesn't encompass all of the facts necessary to even get off the ground let alone actually function. It is basically a child's version of how things work without that child having any ability to think and rationalize how to solve the problems their idea creates so it just ignores them.

Which happens to fit within the definition of a fantasy.

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

 

[HisArpy]

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

Great, now apply that to Westlake. Or Arrowhead. Or Big Bear.

And of course your idea works to get fresh produce from LA to Castaic by train without needing any cars or trucks to do it, right?

Again, read my lips here, your idea is built on simplistic principles and only seems plausible because you're a simpleton without any real understanding of the larger picture/world.

 

[AlexBailey]

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

@HisArpy is arguing that because not everyone can live in a 15min city that it doesn’t work for anyone.

 

[phrodeau]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

So spare us the claptrap, you don't know what you're talking about,

Will you be sparing us any time soon?

 

[HisArpy]

Will you be sparing us any time soon?

I don't have time for bigots so

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[HisArpy]

@HisArpy is arguing that because not everyone can live in a 15min city that it doesn’t work for anyone.

Which sort of entirely defeats the idea that the future is dense walkable cities.

Or do you think flour, milk, eggs, and the rest only come from the supermarket after magically appearing on the shelves there?

 

[AlexBailey]

Which sort of entirely defeats the idea that the future is dense walkable cities.

Or do you think corn only comes from the supermarket?

So in your mind that fact that not everyone can live in the 15 minute city model means that the idea is “entirely” defeated?

You might as well say that gated communities don’t work because not everyone can live in one.

Or that bicycles don’t work because they aren’t fast enough, they can’t carry enough cargo, not everyone can ride….

 

[HisArpy]

So in your mind that fact that not everyone can live in the 15 minute city model means that the idea is “entirely” defeated?

You might as well say that gated communities don’t work because not everyone can live in one.

Or that bicycles don’t work because they aren’t fast enough, they can’t carry enough cargo, not everyone can ride….

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Nothing in the 15 Minute City model means that "everything" is handled within 15 minutes. Just that the emphasis is on placing goods, services, residences, and people within 15 minutes. Deliveries will still come in. Movement will still happen. It just de-emphasizes the car. Cars won't go away. They won't be banned. They'll just not be necessary for an increased portion of the population. The choice to not have a car, or to have a single car for a family as opposed to two cars, will be easier and more efficient.

We might rail against the concept, but there is really nothing controversial about it, many cities in the US and world-wide are already doing it and are already onboard with the concept. It's not about suddenly changing everything, it's about gradually creating the conditions where, for urban dwellers, the necessity of the car is lessened.

Kind of like Spinal Tap, people want to take the concept to 11. LOL - that is not what it is. It's moving the dial a few notches over, so more people don't need a car. So that when you fly in for vacation, you don't need a rental. So that when you go to visit your friends or family, you can leave your car behind.

 

[AlexBailey]

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

What an annoying idiot you are.

Do you misunderstand that 15 minute cities exists and that the model is being developed and improved upon outside of your myopic little world?

 

[phrodeau]

THIS is insane!!!


https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2284107/housing-market-falling.jpg?w=591&h=394&f=c9585854fd20b091ca08003436fae547



Why would anyone live like that? You know those houses are several hundred thousand dollars and you can't even hardly walk between them.

Get rid of the attached garages, and you’ll have enough area for a pole barn.
Keep the solar panels, though.