The Free Market and "Entry Level" Jobs

[Ramone45]

I believe the free market is better than the alternatives even though it is highly corrupted. The gap between rich and poor is a problem. The CEO's that get rewarded for failure is awful. Entertainers that get millions for putting out crap is awful. Athlete's who get paid so much that the average person can't afford to watch them compete is awful.
There's been a debate about paying entry level workers "a living wage". For the sake of argument, people are using McDonald's as an example. I know things have changed for the workers. But I'm not aware of anyone who thinks they should be able to support a family by working at McDonald's. The model is it is an entry level job. You work there to develop skills and demonstrate there worth to their employer. It is expected that you move on from there, either through skill or additional training/ education. There is a LOT of turnover at MCDonald's. People work there for a little while and then move on. I realize that more adults and seniors find it necessary to work at McDonald's and the paradigm has changed.
But what if McDonalds decided they wanted to improve the quality of their work force and pay their employees more and offer benefits and job security. What if people were able to support at least themselves and perhaps a small family by working at mcDonalds. What impact would it have on the overall employment picture if job turnover were greatly reduced? If we don't have "entry level jobs", how are people supposed to integrate into the work force?

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

thanks for sharing..

 

[LadyVer]

The problem is there aren't enough decent paying jobs to move up to from retail.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I believe the free market is better than the alternatives even though it is highly corrupted. The gap between rich and poor is a problem. The CEO's that get rewarded for failure is awful. Entertainers that get millions for putting out crap is awful. Athlete's who get paid so much that the average person can't afford to watch them compete is awful.
There's been a debate about paying entry level workers "a living wage". For the sake of argument, people are using McDonald's as an example. I know things have changed for the workers. But I'm not aware of anyone who thinks they should be able to support a family by working at McDonald's. The model is it is an entry level job. You work there to develop skills and demonstrate there worth to their employer. It is expected that you move on from there, either through skill or additional training/ education. There is a LOT of turnover at MCDonald's. People work there for a little while and then move on. I realize that more adults and seniors find it necessary to work at McDonald's and the paradigm has changed.
But what if McDonalds decided they wanted to improve the quality of their work force and pay their employees more and offer benefits and job security. What if people were able to support at least themselves and perhaps a small family by working at mcDonalds. What impact would it have on the overall employment picture if job turnover were greatly reduced? If we don't have "entry level jobs", how are people supposed to integrate into the work force?

I understand your point, but I don't think that's the key issue at hand.

I don't patronize traditional fast food establishments, why then should money be taken from me to pay fast food workers?

Lots of people enter the workforce without ever having an "entry level" job.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

The problem is there aren't enough decent paying jobs to move up to from retail.

^ that too

 

[Porkwarrior]

The problem is there aren't enough decent paying jobs to move up to from retail.

Bingo.

N.America in the last 20yrs has moved from a manufacturing to a service based economy. The USA is still the largest manufacturing economy in the world, but automation has eliminated the majority of jobs that used to provide a living to someone without post-secondary education (education that is out of reach for the majority of people).

The real question is what is cheaper for society as a whole, subsidizing the wages of entry level service personnel that will never "climb the ladder". Or subsidize their entire existence through welfare, food stamps, community housing...and through crime?

Everybody has to eat...how are you going to feed them at $12/hr?

Or just stop pussyfooting around and open up debtors prisons & workhouses again.

 

[KRCummings]

Lots of people enter the workforce without ever having an "entry level" job.

Who does? Even the most educated and trained people have to start at the bottom of whatever they're doing. Not the bottom of the company but of their own line of work.

 

[Ramone45]

Bingo.

N.America in the last 20yrs has moved from a manufacturing to a service based economy. The USA is still the largest manufacturing economy in the world, but automation has eliminated the majority of jobs that used to provide a living to someone without post-secondary education (education that is out of reach for the majority of people).

The real question is what is cheaper for society as a whole, subsidizing the wages of entry level service personnel that will never "climb the ladder". Or subsidize their entire existence through welfare, food stamps, community housing...and through crime?

Everybody has to eat...how are you going to feed them at $12/hr?

Or just stop pussyfooting around and open up debtors prisons & workhouses again.

There's got to be away to get people working again. Throw colleges into the free market by eliminating government support would help. make them compete for students.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The problem is there aren't enough decent paying jobs to move up to from retail.

Well maybe if we tax business/corporations some more and raise the min wage to 30/hr companies will quit exporting every job they possibly can.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Sean]

Throw colleges into the free market by eliminating government support would help. make them compete for students.

This is the dumbest idea ever. Well done.

 

[LadyVer]

Well maybe if we tax business/corporations some more and raise the min wage to 30/hr companies will quit exporting every job they possibly can.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

As the minimum.wage hasn't kept up with or the cost of living or inflatin, I'm for a living wage. And no, I don't want to argue with you. I have to go get ready to work my entry level job and hope and pray I make it through another day of back breaking pain.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The way to get people working is simple, lock them inside slave labor camps like the Nazis did. But that's not what you meant. What you mean is: How does the average person go about accessing a decent standard of living?

Every economic depression/recession/panic we've had ended when a couple of things happened that aren't happening now. You can check it and verify what I say is true.

1. Someone marketed new technology that was popular AND increased productivity.

Go back to the 1873 Panic. Standard Oil replaced 95 cent whale oil with 5 cent kerosene.

At the end of the 1893 Panic automobiles and gasoline came along. Studebaker and Fisher stopped making wagons and started making cars and trucks.

At the end of the 1920 Depression home appliances, aviation, commercial radio, and mass production came.

After the 1946 recession we got atomic energy, jet aircraft, commercial tv broadcasting.

And so it goes. But nuthin new since 2008.

If we had any fucking brains our schools would train people to staff start-up companies that make new stuff people want. But we don't. As media is collapsing my local schools focus on....journalism and internet art.

 

[RobDownSouth]

<derp snip>
There's been a debate about paying entry level workers "a living wage". For the sake of argument, people are using McDonald's as an example. I know things have changed for the workers. But I'm not aware of anyone who thinks they should be able to support a family by working at McDonald's. The model is it is an entry level job. <derp snip>

The point is, a single person cannot support himself/herself with an entry-level McJob any longer.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Who does? Even the most educated and trained people have to start at the bottom of whatever they're doing. Not the bottom of the company but of their own line of work.

You can almost pick a profession. People can & do move up, but with some professions you don't have to move up to make a living.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is the dumbest idea ever. Well done.

I suppose that's why the staggering majority of top tier schools are private institutions.....well done!!

As the minimum.wage hasn't kept up with or the cost of living or inflatin, I'm for a living wage.

I thought there was no inflatin' under the economic magician Obama?

And no, I don't want to argue with you. I have to go get ready to work my entry level job and hope and pray I make it through another day of back breaking pain.

Toodles...

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

The free market would be great if not for political corruption. The free market is supposed to give consumers better products and competitive prices. Political corruption has killed small business with deregulation.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I thought there was no inflatin' under the economic magician Obama?

Come on, even YOU aren't that stupid.

There is minimal inflation every year: 1 to 2 %

Over time, it adds up.

When you go up to 10 years between minimum wage adjustments, the cumulative effect is that you have less purchasing power.

 

[KRCummings]

You can almost pick a profession. People can & do move up, but with some professions you don't have to move up to make a living.

What does that have to do with it? They still start at what's considered entry level. Almost everyone does. How much they make doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Come on, even YOU aren't that stupid.

There is minimal inflation every year: 1 to 2 %

Rob's (and democrat) aspirations for the US economy....

 

[RobDownSouth]

Inflation by year
Jun 1, 2013 1.75%
Jan 1, 2013 1.59%
Jan 1, 2012 2.93%
Jan 1, 2011 1.63%
Jan 1, 2010 2.63%
Jan 1, 2009 0.03%

 

[KRCummings]

Come on, even YOU aren't that stupid.

There is minimal inflation every year: 1 to 2 %

Yeah, no. That's per month. That average per year is over 3.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah, no. That's per month. That average per year is over 3.

Negatory. The average per year is between 2 and 3 percent during the Obama adminstration. LINK

 

[BotanyBoy]

Inflation by year
Jun 1, 2013 1.75%
Jan 1, 2013 1.59%
Jan 1, 2012 2.93%
Jan 1, 2011 1.63%
Jan 1, 2010 2.63%
Jan 1, 2009 0.03%

Oh no I Know it's been inflating...it's that "minimal inflation" bit...I find it funny b/c you say it as if it's needed or a good thing.

You still never answered as to why you think soldiers active/retired shouldn't get paid.....

 

[KRCummings]

Negatory. The average per year is between 2 and 3 percent during the Obama adminstration. LINK

So now we just pick certain times?

 

[RobDownSouth]

So now we just pick certain times?

Silly goose. Any good conservative will tell you that time started on January 20, 2009. Anything that happened before that is not relevant.