The Ford Situation

Queersetti

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Has anyone been folowing this story?

From the Advocate:


Jaguar, Land Rover ads halted in gay media, Ford confirms

The antigay American Family Association claimed a cultural victory on Thursday and called off its threatened boycott of Ford Motor Co. On Friday, Ford spokesman Mike Moran confirmed to Advocate.com that the company will stop advertising its Jaguar and Land Rover brands in gay publications but insisted it was strictly a business decision.

The Dearborn, Mich., automaker came under fire from the AFA in May for its longtime efforts to increase LGBT workplace diversity and support gay rights causes. Ford has long been a regular advertiser within gay media, including The Advocate, and has donated significant sums to LGBT causes and nonprofit groups such as the Human Rights Campaign.

Threatened with a boycott by the Mississippi-based AFA, Ford and some of its dealers agreed to negotiate, and the AFA announced in June that it would hold off on its planned action. On Thursday, AFA announced the boycott would be canceled altogether.

"They've heard our concerns; they are acting on our concerns. We are pleased with where we are," said Donald Wildmon, AFA’s chairman, in a statement. "Obviously there are still some small matters of difference, as people will always have, but generally speaking, we are pleased with the results—and therefore the boycott that had been suspended [is] now officially ended."

Specific terms of any formal agreement between the AFA and Ford—and whether any such agreement has in fact been reached—remain unclear.

When first contacted, Ford spokesman Moran referred Advocate.com to the AFA statement, suggesting that the company had no disagreement with Wildmon's assertions. In a second conversation he confirmed that the company would no longer advertise Jaguar and Land Rover products in the gay media, saying that the decision was strictly "business."

"In all cases, we review this issue from a business perspective in regards to advertising," Moran said. "Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury [brands] did not advertise in gay publications anyway. At this time, Jaguar and Land Rover will not do so going forward.” He added that Volvo will still advertise in gay publications because the company believes it's an effective strategy for that market.

Detroit carmakers are facing tough economic times across the board, Moran pointed out. On Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported that Ford plans to shut five North American plants that employ 7,500 workers. On Thursday, the company said its total U.S. vehicle sales in November fell by 15%.

Moran would not give further details on any agreement between Ford and the AFA, nor would he confirm that such an agreement existed. “Some months ago we began a constructive dialogue with them, just as we do with all other customers and interest groups," he said. "While we don’t agree on all issues, we expect the dialogue to continue so that we understand each other better.”

According to a list of demands on AFA’s Web site, the organization insisted that Ford and all of its brands stop donating cash, vehicles, and endorsements to gay social activities. This includes donations to pride celebrations and groups such as the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, the Human Rights Campaign, and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. AFA says those groups have received contributions from Ford in the past.

Whether such sponsorship deals—in which Ford brands are given visibility by nonprofit groups and at LGBT events in return for donations—will continue, Moran could not say.

Comment on Ford's announcement is expected soon from HRC, GLAAD, and the Task Force over the weekend or early next week, but none was prepared to make a statement by close of business on Friday.

The AFA has said it reserves the right to reinstate the boycott if it feels Ford has not met its expectations. (Advocate.com/Sirius OutQ News)
 
Yes, glad you posted this.
In fact I have some gay friends in Dearborn, Mich. that work for Ford who brought my attention to this issue.

Of course, it always a "business decision", isn't it? And if that's the case, then Ford stands to lose on this this very bad "business" move. So, while a victory for the AFA, it's an unfortunate loss for Ford.

They're undestimating the power of the gay dollar and vote. Hope Ford reconsiders. (Yeah, right).
 
Raimondin said:
Yes, glad you posted this.
In fact I have some gay friends in Dearborn, Mich. that work for Ford who brought my attention to this issue.

Of course, it always a "business decision", isn't it? And if that's the case, then Ford stands to lose on this this very bad "business" move. So, while a victory for the AFA, it's an unfortunate loss for Ford.

They're undestimating the power of the gay dollar and vote. Hope Ford reconsiders. (Yeah, right).



The GLBT community organized and made Microsoft reverse it's decision not to support gay rights. I think we can do the same with Ford.
 
Jag is gonna go in the shitter now that Ford bought it out, like Volvo.

Fuckers.
 
Ford, and Madison Avenue employ zillions-of-gays... Today's jounalistic-reporters are university-brainwashed to observe these-kind-of-situations as 'news stories'... Boycotts-n-other-battles are being quietly fought-n-won all-the-time.
 
Xelebes said:
Why are members of the AFA reading GLBT magazines?


They constantly monitor all media for content they can object to. Over 80% of all complaints made to the FCC are filed by the AFA.
 
Queersetti said:
They constantly monitor all media for content they can object to. Over 80% of all complaints made to the FCC are filed by the AFA.
I thought there were laws in this country against extortion. How great it would be for one major company with deep pockets and courage to take these extortionists to court! Defending against that charge might put the AFA out of business once and for all. It's all about fund raising for them anyway, isn't it?
 
Never said:
Extortionists they are not.
You’re absolutely right. It’s not extortion in the legal sense. I should be more careful.

Threatening fear of economic loss (which consumer boycotts involve) is not inherently wrongful under the Hobbs Act. It’s legal because the AFA supposedly has nothing to gain financially from their threatened boycott of Ford. That fact that they use these boycotts as organizational fundraisers doesn't seem to count as financial gain.
 
Queersetti said:
If you are interested in keeping up with this story, or joining in the campaign to keep Ford from caving in to the gay bashers, check out http://www.americablog.org/


Yeah apparently Ford "negotiated" with the AFA regarding the ads and the boycott, and won't put their ads in American gay magazines...however they are running internationally.

I don't think they understand that this is just another form of terrorism. If you cave into such things then all our freedoms are gone...whether you are gay, straight or purple doesn't even matter anymore.

What a bunch of cowards.
 
Stuponfucious said:
Jag is gonna go in the shitter now that Ford bought it out, like Volvo.

Fuckers.


I liked the look of the new Volvo, but now that I know it's made by Ford...I have a number of reasons not to buy, this latest wrinkle nonwithstanding.
 
Thank you for the info

And the web site - i am going now to start writing letters.

~ Justine
 
Rhys said:
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I don't think they understand that this is just another form of terrorism. If you cave into such things then all our freedoms are gone...whether you are gay, straight or purple doesn't even matter anymore....
Another form of terrorism??? I'm tempted to agree. And to think I quickly backed off when Never called me on my writing that they were extortionists. :rolleyes:

Regardless of whether or not the AFA actions are legal, I'd say that morally and ethically they are nothing but a bunch of racketeers.
 
Rhys said:
I liked the look of the new Volvo, but now that I know it's made by Ford...I have a number of reasons not to buy, this latest wrinkle nonwithstanding.

Well, its reputation for safety is probably gonna go downhill, and they do look kinda nice for a car, but they got too round for a Volvo. At least for me.
 
Detroit Free Press:

Ford to meet with gay, human rights groups

December 12, 2005

By SARAH A. WEBSTER

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

Representatives from several gay, lesbian and human rights organizations are slated to meet with Ford Motor Co. this afternoon in Washington, D.C., to discuss the automaker’s decision to pull Jaguar and Land Rover ads from magazines that cater to gays and lesbians.

Jeff Montgomery, executive director of the Detroit-based Triangle Foundation — Michigan's statewide civil rights, advocacy and anti-violence organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people — said his organization and several others are slated to talk with Ford.

“We’re going to be asking them for an explanation of exactly what has or has not transpired between them and the AFA,” he said, referring to the 2-million-member American Family Association.
Ford Motor has denied that it made its marketing decision as part of a secret deal with the conservative Christian group, but the AFA seems to be suggesting otherwise.

Montgomery said that is resulting in a lot of mixed emotions in the gay and lesbian community.

“People are feeling very confused and betrayed, and I think there’s a lot of anger,” he said.

Ford Motor spokesman Mike Moran, who has denied there is any confidential agreement wit the AFA, said the automaker is looking forward to the discussions today.

A spokeswoman for the AFA did not immediately return calls for comment.

In June, the Tupelo, Miss.-based AFA delayed until Dec. 1 a planned boycott of Ford products in order to give auto dealers time to persuade Ford to change the way it advertises and funds gay- and lesbian-related events.

On Nov. 30, the AFA called off its planned boycott. In a statement on the group’s website, AFA founder and Chairman Donald E. Wildmon said he was confident “that our concerns are being addressed in good faith and will continue to be addressed in the future.”

He added, “They've heard our concerns. They have responded, we think in a very positive way. Obviously, there are some small matters of difference, as people will always have, but, generally speaking, we are pleased with the results."

The AFA also credited Ford’s dealers with helping communications with the automaker.

“The dealers are basically our kind of people who share many of our concerns,” Wildmon said in the online statement.

A Ford memo sent to a Ford workers group called Gay Lesbian Or Bisexual Employees (GLOBE) said that Volvo has decided to advertise directly to the homosexual community, but other brands have decided against that avenue. The Ford, Mercury and Lincoln brands don't advertise in gay and lesbian publications and don't plan to do so, the automaker has said
 
The meeting'll be predictably positive-seeming... Ford's PR/Legal-departments lust for THESE KIND of 'confrontations' . They practice for them. They can switch-directionally stage-lib like rock-stars. They're 'big money'-tough. The best way to bop them is to buy Ford-stock 'n start votin'... verbatum non verboten.
 
The company Erosion Media (the site network behind among other sites, AfterEllen.com, one of the biggest lesbian sites on the net) has made shrewd move by offering free advertisement to ford.

http://www.afterellen.com/Print/2005/12/ford-offer.html

Either ford takes them up on the offer, which equals a show of support for the GLBT community of sorts, or they refuse and show that their withdrawal from gay and lesbian publications had nothing to do with money.
 
Ford has issued a statement on the issue, and it's entirely good news.

As summarized on AmericaBlog:

Ford addressed and resolved each of our three concerns regarding the above:

1. Ford announced that it will continue to support gay organizations and gay events in the coming year and beyond.

2. Ford is going to run advertisements in the gay media NOT ONLY promoting the Jaguar and Land Rover brands, but the ads will promote ALL of Fords brands, by name, including Jaguar and Land Rover.

3. Ford states unequivocally that it will continue to tailor its ads for the specific audience it is trying to reach, and then goes one step further. Ford challenges us to keep an eye out on their upcoming ads in order to verify that they will in fact be tailored.

There is no other way to read this than that Ford did the right thing. Whether or not an agreement was reached with the American Family Association - and the AFA has a record of crowing about such "victories" when no such victory occurred (sounds a lot like our president) - Ford has rectified the real or perceived problem, and the AFA has been shown to have no clothes (other than a very rusty chastity belt)
 
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