The Edmund isn't the only Fitzgerald with troubles...

LOL, Bob Woodward, who has been critical of the Fitzgerald investigation all along, never discloses his own involvement in the treasonous mess until today. Oh, and he wants to write a book about the Bush administration.

If that's all you got, AJ, you got nuthin.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:

Not so fast bro. Fitzjeralds time line is fucked, and both Libby and Rove are off the hook for being the "first" tattle tale. AND it looks like Joe's wife really got around Wash. DC.

But Fitzzy still has Libby on the hook for the Russert thing. Although this latest little event is going to make getting a conviction pretty damned difficult.

Ishmael
 
RobDownSouth said:
LOL, Bob Woodward, who has been critical of the Fitzgerald investigation all along, never discloses his own involvement in the treasonous mess until today. Oh, and he wants to write a book about the Bush administration.

If that's all you got, AJ, you got nuthin.


The logic here is... Woodward helping to expose Nixon=great but him coming into say that Libby wasnt the first to name Plame= he's a biased and corupt Bush administration lackey?

:rolleyes:
 
SleepingWarrior said:
The logic here is... Woodward helping to expose Nixon=great but him coming into say that Libby wasnt the first to name Plame= he's a biased and corupt Bush administration lackey?

:rolleyes:

Isn't it amazing how that works?

Ishmael
 
Offen der hyu-u-u-ck for leakun is wat Ahm thinkin'.

The rest is just petty gotcha.

But it proves he's certainly not ready to go to trial since he is the one who is going to find himself and his team on trial ala Dr. Lee. At least he's only deceived a grand jury to this point and not the sitting judge.

;) ;)
 
SleepingWarrior said:
The logic here is... Woodward helping to expose Nixon=great but him coming into say that Libby wasnt the first to name Plame= he's a biased and corupt Bush administration lackey?

:rolleyes:
It's politics, man, never let the facts interferre with your opinions.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
The logic here is... Woodward helping to expose Nixon=great but him coming into say that Libby wasnt the first to name Plame= he's a biased and corupt Bush administration lackey?

:rolleyes:


We'll make a damned fine politician out of you yet!
 
Ishmael said:
Isn't it amazing how that works?

Ishmael


Frankly nothing that zealots do or say (on both sides) amazes me anymore. Just gives me a nice hearty chuckle.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Offen der hyu-u-u-ck for leakun is wat Ahm thinkin'.

The rest is just petty gotcha.

But it proves he's certainly not ready to go to trial since he is the one who is going to find himself and his team on trial ala Dr. Lee. At least he's only deceived a grand jury to this point and not the sitting judge.

;) ;)

Don't forget the press and their notes on the witness stand, and the CIA.

I'm telling you, what's going to happen to them now is exactly the nightmare they were wishing on others. A few more revelations like this and I wouldn't be suprised to see the charges against Libby dropped. Not so much because Libby didn't perjure himself, he may have, but because it's going to be dawning on EVERYONE what a can of worms they've opened. Andrea Mitchell is already making with the weasle words and back peddaling. But there she is in all her glory on National TV proclaiming Plames status as "common knowledge."

Then we have a witness that is going to testify that Wilson himself blatted it out over a year before the Fitzjerald time line starts. Gonna be fun, you bet.

Ishmael
 
If the truth fits you must aquit!

[voice=Joe Wilson][accent=Thurston Howell III]
Yes Senator, you know, being an ambassador has its perks. Have you met my wife Valerie... [tone=conspiratorial][volume=theatrically hushed]She's CIA you know... :knowing rolleyes: [volume=conversational][/tone][/accent][/voice]


;) ;)
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
[voice=Joe Wilson][accent=Thurston Howell III]
Yes Senator, you know, being an ambassador has its perks. Have you met my wife Valerie... [tone=conspiratorial][volume=theatrically hushed]She's CIA you know... :knowing rolleyes: [volume=conversational][/tone][/accent][/voice]


;) ;)

That pretty much captures the moment bro. Wilson is going to be swept up in this whole thing soon enough.

Wilson's attorneys demanded the individual that made the disclosure about Wilson blowing off his mouth retract their statements. The individual told the attorrneys to go pack sand, he'd meet them in court.

Ishmael
 
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But Lovey, I don't look good in jump suits, let alone orange! EGADS!

It was just a slip of the tongue, a memory lapse, they don't actually go after people for these sorts of things do they?

;) ;)

More and more he reminds me of a stud Pekinese...







zip, didn't you state not too long ago that you didn't think this was common cocktail circuit knowledge, or let us say, gossip?

:D
 
More like a castrated pekinese that thinks he's a stud.

I sure hope the networks keep trotting him out. Kinda like old Cindy, nothing like some over-exposure to get people thinking.

Ishmael
 
The Wilson story is all but over, and I'm with you, the charges get quietly dropped unless this guy is a fanatic.

It's time to step back to 1972 and start hurling bombs for abortion. This is Custer's Last Stand and now the Liberals know it. I expect that to overshadow Bush's problems, "right, quick, and in a hurry!" to quote Major Payne.

Eh, eh, eh, Who's da dummy now?
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:

I don't see the trouble for Fitzgerald ...

... The testimony, however, does not appear to shed new light on whether Libby is guilty of lying and obstructing justice in the nearly two-year-old probe ...

I don't see anything in the article that clears Scooter of what he's been indicted for. *shrugs*
 
It wouldn't suprise me to see this die a death of lack of interest. The press may even aid and abet in that endeavor. The courts ruling in the Wen Ho Lee case opened the press up to allowing the defense to raise their skirts over their heads. They'll either comply or spend the rest of their natural life in prison on contempt charges. Criminal courts aren't quite the same as Grand Juries. *chuckle*

All of which is sad. I DO want to see this trial happen.

Ishmael
 
Woodward may be the one that ends up with some troubles though. From the article ...

... Woodward's statement said he testified: "I told Walter Pincus, a reporter at The Post, without naming my source, that I understood Wilson's wife worked at the CIA as a WMD analyst."

Pincus said he does not recall Woodward telling him that. In an interview, Pincus said he cannot imagine he would have forgotten such a conversation around the same time he was writing about Wilson.

"Are you kidding?" Pincus said. "I certainly would have remembered that."

Pincus said Woodward may be confused about the timing and the exact nature of the conversation. He said he remembers Woodward making a vague mention to him in October 2003. That month, Pincus had written a story explaining how an administration source had contacted him about Wilson. He recalled Woodward telling him that Pincus was not the only person who had been contacted. ...

Time will tell.
 
Me too, bro.

Well Pooks, if it was common knowledge, then it couldn't really be leaked, making the allegation specious. Now a lot of people contend that the unraveling of the administration will come from the cover-up of a lie about a criminal act desigend to be a political hit. With none of that being true, the simplest explanation is Libby just got his memories scrambled about a seriously minor incident in a pretty power-packed year full of real and significant events.
 
Pookie said:
Woodward may be the one that ends up with some troubles though. From the article ...



Time will tell.



In hindsight, yeah, you'd think anybody would remember that, but if this is precursor stuff, then it wasn't a big deal and hardly a memorable incident. A year from now, which one of us will remember what we posted in this thread unless some random troll "happens" to bump it up?
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Me too, bro.

Well Pooks, if it was common knowledge, then it couldn't really be leaked, making the allegation specious. Now a lot of people contend that the unraveling of the administration will come from the cover-up of a lie about a criminal act desigend to be a political hit. With none of that being true, the simplest explanation is Libby just got his memories scrambled about a seriously minor incident in a pretty power-packed year full of real and significant events.

Common knowledge or not doesn't excuse the lying and obstruction of justice indictments. If anything, it makes Libby look all the more foolish.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
In hindsight, yeah, you'd think anybody would remember that, but if this is precursor stuff, then it wasn't a big deal and hardly a memorable incident. A year from now, which one of us will remember what we posted in this thread unless some random troll "happens" to bump it up?

If it wasn't a memorable incident, he should've stated such to Fitzgerald. C'mon, AJ. This guy isn't that big of an idiot.
 
In politics and in a Grand Jury, it's very easy to turn a playing card into a brick.

;) ;)

Now, you get, "The Rest of the Story..."

Congrats to good ol' Paul Harvey on his recent honor!
 
Pookie said:
If it wasn't a memorable incident, he should've stated such to Fitzgerald. C'mon, AJ. This guy isn't that big of an idiot.


You should read Wen Ho Lee's "My Country Verses Me." That's what makes me such a sceptic. When they wanted Dr. Lee, they just asked him question, after questrion, after question over an extended period of time and Dr. Lee wanted to clear himself so he co-operated fully without the advise of a lawyer (Why did he need a lawyer, he reasoned, he was innocent!). When they found inconsistencies, then that was proof of deception and off he went to a cold cell and solitary confinement with zero due process rights. That's basically what we've done to Libby, in a high-tech political sense. The truth no longer matters, only the execution...
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Me too, bro.

Well Pooks, if it was common knowledge, then it couldn't really be leaked, making the allegation specious. Now a lot of people contend that the unraveling of the administration will come from the cover-up of a lie about a criminal act desigend to be a political hit. With none of that being true, the simplest explanation is Libby just got his memories scrambled about a seriously minor incident in a pretty power-packed year full of real and significant events.

Fitzjeralds time line is blown to hell. Libby is now known NOT to be the first admin official to have told the press that Plame was CIA. Now, Fitzjerald can continue to persue the perjury charge, but it's severely undermined at this point in time because Fitzjerald has pinned Libby as the FIRST admin dude to talk to the press. We now know that just ain't so.

Woodwards revelations clutter up the case against Libby.

Ishmael
 
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