The current marriage controversy from a Biblical Standpoint

[TNRkitect2b]

This was found while reading through a friend's online journal..

In Defense of Biblical Marriage

 

[navarre]

ROFL

Good one!!!!!

 

[Kajira Callista]

must be the grits

 

[Desdemona]

The scary thing is I know people who would support putting each of those principles into law!

 

[Krinaia]

You've got to be kidding me.

<sighs and rolls eyes>

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

That was the best laugh I have had all week!!!!

 

[TNRkitect2b]

That was the best laugh I have had all week!!!!

Wasn't it though?

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Hey, it is in the Bible...

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Odd that what may be essentially a written account by someone first, second, third, who knows what hand; spun by anyone that had an axe to grind in translation from language to language; and would receive "Objection!" "Sustained," in most courts of law, is the first thing a thumper wants to quote as the rule of law.

Don't get me wrong. i've read it and believe in the underlying principles in most of the book. Folks can get a little carried away, however, in dictating how everyone else should lead their lives by quoting a single verse out of context.

Thanks for the laugh ... i'd like to see the responses from the thumpers to some of these quotes.

 

[TNRkitect2b]

Thanks for the laugh ... i'd like to see the responses from the thumpers to some of these quotes.

Your welcome. I showed it to a few of them here at school, and they were speechless, and couldn't refute that yes, those rules and examples were in there, the most common excuse I heard was "But those are old testament.." to which I immediately countered "So nothing in the old testement applies now? Or are you saying that we should pick and choose the parts that we like? I thought it was ALL supposed to be God's word and therefore inviolate?"

At this point they would typically stammer and change the subject. Go figure.

 

[Krinaia]

it took me a moment to realize you meant bible thumpers when you said thumpers... i kept thinking of humping like rabbits and bambi.

thinking of their single-minded, brain-washed reactions is more depressing then amusing to me.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

At this point they would typically stammer and change the subject. Go figure.

Too bad their little pea brains didn't implode, but then again, no one would be left to clean up the mess.

Before ... http://forum.1st-vets.us/images/smiles/rulez.gif

After ... http://forum.1st-vets.us/images/smiles/grenade.gif

 

[Krinaia]

have you been borrowing emoticons from catalina?

 

[Limbhugger]

I'll bite.

Tnr you make no point. While all the folks may have a good laugh I wonder how many grabbed the scripture.

The bible can be and of course is interupted in many different ways. Did God destroy S & G because of homosexuality? Maybe, just as likely he destroyed it based on the fact they where out of control and it was necessary to the continuation of His plan.

Tell us all Tnr, do you believe in God? Do you believe in the bible? Doesn't take much to post such a thread without a professment of belief.

Homosexuality is actually a minor point in the Bible. It gets toted around but the truth is it really is minor.

Tell you what Tnr, get your biblical facts straight then we'll talk.

People in the old testament live 900+yrs is that a direct correlation?

 

[Krinaia]

oh geez, someone get out the hose, we have a thumper!!!


lighten up. I think TNR makes his point very clear... that there are fools out there who take what is probably mistranslated text from the bible to mean what they want it to mean. I think that your statement of the people living 900+ years illustrates just that fact. The text has been put to through too many language translations by politically motivated men to be taken as the true word of God. Use the judgement God gave you.

It isn't the literal words that mean so much... it's the underlying values and morals that should be held up to snuff, not the semantics. Argue about that and not the semantics and I'll have alil more respect for this conversation.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

have you been borrowing emoticons from catalina?

Negative darlin', but i do have a use for them on occasion.

 

[Limbhugger]

oh geez, someone get out the hose, we have a thumper!!!


lighten up. I think TNR makes his point very clear... that there are fools out there who take what is probably mistranslated text from the bible to mean what they want it to mean. I think that your statement of the people living 900+ years illustrates just that fact. The text has been put to through too many language translations by politically motivated men to be taken as the true word of God. Use the judgement God gave you.

It isn't the literal words that mean so much... it's the underlying values and morals that should be held up to snuff, not the semantics. Argue about that and not the semantics and I'll have alil more respect for this conversation.

You're quick to judge dear. I'm by no means a thumper. Perhaps you should get your own ass in order before you comment on mine.

 

[esclave_PP]

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a
virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut
22:13-21)


Wow...wonder how many got executed...hmmmm

 

[Krinaia]

Negative darlin', but i do have a use for them on occasion.

You sort of sound like a pilot, Roger, Over and Out.

 

[Krinaia]

You're quick to judge dear. I'm by no means a thumper. Perhaps you should get your own ass in order before you comment on mine.

Hey you were pretty quick to jump on TNR if you ask me. And as he's a friend (though he can more than stick up for himself)... I do rise to defend friends.

Besides, I don't see you coming back at my arguement with facts or reasonings to the other side. Just a threat that I get my ass in order... which assumes that I'm uneducated on the matter simply because I don't agree with you. But I'm hardly suprised by that. I grew up in the bible belt - I've seen plenty of this attitude before.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

You sort of sound like a pilot, Roger, Over and Out.

Been there, done that, got the unit t-shirt 9 times.

One other thing. It's never "over and out." Use either "over" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and listening, or "out" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and terminating the conversation. (Now if that wasn't a straight line waiting for a smartass response, i've never given one.)

 

[TNRkitect2b]

I'll bite.

Tnr you make no point. While all the folks may have a good laugh I wonder how many grabbed the scripture.

The bible can be and of course is interupted in many different ways. Did God destroy S & G because of homosexuality? Maybe, just as likely he destroyed it based on the fact they where out of control and it was necessary to the continuation of His plan.

Tell us all Tnr, do you believe in God? Do you believe in the bible? Doesn't take much to post such a thread without a professment of belief.

Homosexuality is actually a minor point in the Bible. It gets toted around but the truth is it really is minor.

Tell you what Tnr, get your biblical facts straight then we'll talk.

People in the old testament live 900+yrs is that a direct correlation?

Does my beliefs have any bearing on whether or not people should blindly listen to the preachings of their leaders, without thinking?
But to humour your question, I was raised in the christian church. I have been exposed and spent time in the Catholic, Nazarenan, Presbyterian, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Church of Christ, non-domoninational Bible based churches, and even attended some that were charismatic (fun to experience, but a bit out there when they start to talk in tounges) I have read the bible cover to cover in both the King James Version and The New International Version, and actually have compared the translations between the two. I have also read it in Russian. I haven't yet read them in Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, As I have yet to learn those languages.
I have had reasonable, informative, non accusatory discussions of faith with Jews, with Pagans, with Buddists, with Taoists, with people of Islam, with Hindus, With Mormons and with Scientologists.
In all of this discussion and exploration, I ran across the fact that most differences between the christian religions are due to people following blindly the teachings of the leaders of the faith, without taking time to do their own reasearch, reading and introspection. The differences are based upon the political agenda of the leaders, and their followers willingness to believe that the leader's interpetation of scripture is the correct one.

Red herrings like the 900 year life spans (which it has been opinioned by scholars was actually measured in months rather than years... 900 / 12 = 75) do not support your argument.

My goal with this thread was to make people:

STOP and THINK. If one person has decided to not blindly believe that Marriage acoording to biblical standards is one man and one woman, just becuase the President, their pastor, their priest, their cleric or whoever else they are listening to says so, and instead goes to the scriptures and researches what the bible actually says and reads the verses for themselves to make their own informed decision, then I have accomplished my goal.

If you wish to brand me a heritic for wanting people to think, go for it.

Brian

 

[TNRkitect2b]

Been there, done that, got the unit t-shirt 9 times.

One other thing. It's never "over and out." Use either "over" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and listening, or "out" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and terminating the conversation. (Now if that wasn't a straight line waiting for a smartass response, i've never given one.)

You corrected her before I was able to AA, damn TV and movies showing improper radio protocol.

 

[Erotisphere]

Your welcome. I showed it to a few of them here at school, and they were speechless, and couldn't refute that yes, those rules and examples were in there, the most common excuse I heard was "But those are old testament.." to which I immediately countered "So nothing in the old testement applies now? Or are you saying that we should pick and choose the parts that we like? I thought it was ALL supposed to be God's word and therefore inviolate?"

At this point they would typically stammer and change the subject. Go figure.

Actually, just because something was written about in the Bible does not make it God's law for man. A lot of people did wrong in the Bible, it is just telling the story of man's failibity (sp?). A perfect example would be King David. He fell in love with his first General's wife and got with her, so to cover up his indiscretion, he had his General out out in the front lines to be killed. So essentially, he had a man murdered so he could continue to be with the man's wife.

Interestingly enough, although he paid for it in his life by losing his son, at the end of his life; God said that he was his good and faithful servant. I believe this is because of his repentant heart over the matter.

So, in conclusion, just because something is written in the Bible does not make it law.

 

[TNRkitect2b]

Actually, just because something was written about in the Bible does not make it God's law for man. A lot of people did wrong in the Bible, it is just telling the story of man's failibity (sp?). A perfect example would be King David. He fell in love with his first General's wife and got with her, so to cover up his indiscretion, he had his General out out in the front lines to be killed. So essentially, he had a man murdered so he could continue to be with the man's wife.

Interestingly enough, although he paid for it in his life by losing his son, at the end of his life; God said that he was his good and faithful servant. I believe this is because of his repentant heart over the matter.

So, in conclusion, just because something is written in the Bible does not make it law.

I agree. Which is why I would use their words of the valididty of the bible against them. I only want them to think and make intelligent decisions, not follow blindly.