The Civil War Is Here

[Rightguide]

THE CIVIL WAR IS HERE
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.
March 27, 2017 Daniel Greenfield

A civil war has begun.

This civil war is very different than the last one. There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.

After losing Congress, the left consolidated its authority in the White House. After losing the White House, the left shifted its center of authority to Federal judges and unelected government officials. Each defeat led the radicalized Democrats to relocate from more democratic to less democratic institutions.

This isn’t just hypocrisy. That’s a common political sin. Hypocrites maneuver within the system. The left has no allegiance to the system. It accepts no laws other than those dictated by its ideology.

Democrats have become radicalized by the left. This doesn’t just mean that they pursue all sorts of bad policies. It means that their first and foremost allegiance is to an ideology, not the Constitution, not our country or our system of government. All of those are only to be used as vehicles for their ideology.

That’s why compromise has become impossible.

Much more here:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266197/civil-war-here-daniel-greenfield

 

[KingOrfeo]

THE CIVIL WAR IS HERE
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.

Well, of course it does. So does the right, so does the center.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Naaah, neither side has anyone with balls. So far what we got is whining and bull shit.

Back in 1970 Nixon shot a few faqgs and the Hippies went away forever.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dlCQ1uiN0
KENT STATE when the Democrats went away.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, of course it does. So does the right, so does the center.

No, they don't want rulers and a totalitarian communist government like you do KO.

Sorry.....you and your lefty buddies are control freak tyrants of the highest caliber.

Naaah, neither side has anyone with balls. So far what we got is whining and bull shit.

^^ This.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

par·a·noi·a
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noun

a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, they don't want rulers and a totalitarian communist government like you do KO.

The center and the right certainly do want to rule, in the sense of getting their way politically in all respects all the time. The only difference is in what their way is.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The center and the right certainly do want to rule, in the sense of getting their way politically in all respects all the time.

Not wanting super government isn't wanting to rule.

Saying the right has a desire to rule is like saying atheist REALLY want something to worship. It's a total load of shit.

The only difference is in what their way is.

Yes, freedom from the government, which isn't really a desire to rule.

And the opposite of what you want.
http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/stalin.jpghttp://chineseposters.net/images/e15-507.jpghttps://usefulstooges.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/pol-pot.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.

It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.

There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.

Now, you know the right/Pubs are not one bit different in that regard: When they control the WH, they favor a "unitary executive" and broad unilateral executive authority; when not, they demand the balance of power shift to Congress. When Congress enacts legislation they don't like, they resist and defy it to whatever extent they can get away with. When judges rule against them they call them lawless, judicial activist, illegitimate. When a Dem Administration replaces a Pub, the Pubs will burrow deep into the bureaucracy to preserve their influence and power to resist. There is no form of legal authority, least of all the Constitution, which the right accepts as a permanent institution.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Now, you know the right/Pubs are not one bit different in that regard:

LMFAO!!! No...they aren't the same KO, no matter how badly you want to pretend it.

When they control the WH, they favor a "unitary executive" and broad unilateral executive authority;

That must explain why the GOP is cock blocking Trump and can't really do much of anything right now hua?

That must be way Obama expanded those evil PATRIOT act powers so he could just execute people without due process, using weapons of war on his own people with NO OVERSIGHT.

The right is simply are nowhere near the fans of the god ruler that the left is.

How much LSD are you on comrade???

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not wanting super government isn't wanting to rule.

Yes, it is; it is wanting the power to decide what kind of government we will have and what it will and will not do, therefore, to rule. Pinochet opted for a free-market economic-libertarian Chile, but that was his decision as ruler to make, and ruler he was. This Bot, is one of those many areas where you are simply, flatly, obviously, logically, ontologically wrong, and will never admit it this side the grave.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That must explain why the GOP is cock blocking Trump and can't really do much of anything right now hua?

The Congressional Pubs are refusing to give Trump his way all the way on matters that fall within Congress' purview, but they have raised no objections whatsoever as to scope of his authority or the legality or constitutionality of his executive orders.

 

[Paul_Chance]

To the winner go the spoils. That has always been the case in politics since the dawn of time. I do think it's facetious to compare "harsh words" with war though, but that's probably just me. As a society, we need to drop all the war analogies because they're basically useless, unless it involves actual armies trying to blow each other up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, it is;

Not any more than atheism is a religion and wants to rule in a theocratic manner.

it is wanting the power to decide what kind of government we will have, therefore, to rule.

Liberals (actual liberals not communist posers) don't want government rule, they want self determination, individualism, liberty. That's FUNDAMENTALLY different than the iron fisted rule the left desires.

To call them the same thing is not only intellectually dishonest but an easily identifiable fallacy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Congressional Pubs are refusing to give Trump his way all the way on matters

When they control the WH, they favor a "unitary executive" and broad unilateral executive authority;

Well....which one is it KO??

Is the (R) gut checking POTUS like they are supposed to or are they pushing for the god POTUS like the (D)'s did?

Can't have it both ways....one or the other which is it??

but they have raised no objections whatsoever as to scope of his authority or the legality or constitutionality of his executive orders.

Because the scope of his authority has already been laid out, and agreed upon or set as precedent.

Executive orders are pretty much whatever goes......(D)'s set that precedent, enjoy the over reaching powers of POTUS that you enabled, I hope Trump starts drone striking the Anti-Fa protesters under Obama's PATRIOT act .

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well....which one is it KO??

Both. They won't take orders from Trump, but they won't lay down the law to him either.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not any more than atheism is a religion and wants to rule in a theocratic manner.



Liberals (actual liberals not communist posers) don't want government rule, they want self determination, individualism, liberty. That's FUNDAMENTALLY different than the iron fisted rule the left desires.

To call them the same thing is not only intellectually dishonest but an easily identifiable fallacy.

There is no such thing as an antipolitician. A libertarian politician is still a politician and is seeking power and rulership just as surely as a fascist or communist.

 

[Sean]

Like most people not in the RW bubble, I find the idea of the US Democratic party being "left" unbelievably hilarious.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

KO's posts are the only posts endorsed by STU[ID LIVES MATTER.

 

[Disgustipated]

Has that Hairspray guy claimed which side he's enlisted for yet?

 

[HisArpy]

Has that Hairspray guy claimed which side he's enlisted for yet?

You are so insecure you had to dredge up something irrelevant to say just to get attention? Poor poor you. I feel so sorry for you that your last attempt at meeting God face to face failed. You can do better. I know you can. If you only try harder...


Back to our regularly scheduled thread after discarding the ineffectual:

It's not a civil war. It was a coup done through the judicial branch. The Left owns the 9th circuit root and branch.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Both. They won't take orders from Trump, but they won't lay down the law to him either.

Can't have it both ways KO.

Either they want to make Trump a god ruler like (D)'s did with Obama or they are a cluster fuck shutting his agenda down.

Which is it KO?

There is no such thing as an antipolitician. A libertarian politician is still a politician and is seeking power and rulership just as surely as a fascist or communist.

No.......that's simply not true KO.

Libertarians want little to no rulership, they prefer liberty and self determination, entirely unlike the left.

Much like atheist who just want religion to fuck off out of their lives, libertarians/liberals just want the (R) and (D) zealots to fuck off and leave them alone.

Like most people not in the RW bubble, I find the idea of the US Democratic party being "left" unbelievably hilarious.

That's because you'are a piece of shit communist.