The arrogance of liberals

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George Will

January 23, 2003

The arrogance of liberals

WASHINGTON--After braving subfreezing temperatures here to urge the president to heed John Lennon (``Give peace a chance''), the 30,000 or 500,000--estimates differed; and how--at last Saturday's antiwar demonstrations returned to their suburban homes or their hotels, where they could watch HBO's live telecast of a concert by the Rolling Stones, three of whom are older than the president. Mick Jagger once said he could not imagine being 45 and still singing ``Satisfaction.'' He will soon turn 60, and so, it sometimes seems, will the unsatisfactory rhetoric of today's left.

There were some new rhetorical wrinkles in the antiwar demonstrations, such as: ``Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer, Ein News Channel--Fox News.'' (Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather and Peter Jennings have a combined audience of about 31.5 million each night. Brit Hume's ``Special Report'' on Fox has about 1.2 million.) But some chants were variations of oldies but goodies: ``Hey, Bush, kiss my ass/We won't fight for the price of gas.'' (Today's U.S. average price of a gallon of regular is $1.45. The 1953 price, adjusted for inflation, was $1.95.) A Washington Post photograph of one of last Saturday's demonstrators showed an Illinois woman with ``No Nukes'' written on a face contorted by the rigors of struggling to prevent a war aimed at preventing Iraq from acquiring ...

In a process without precedent, America has been, for more than a year, walking slowly--never mind nonsensical headlines about the ``rush to war''--toward an optional war. Optional, that is, in the sense that although it is a defensible choice, it is a choice. War has not been unambiguously thrust upon us, as in 1861 by secession, or in 1*** by unrestricted submarine warfare, or in 1941 by surprise attack, or by aggression across international borders as in June 1950 or August 1990. Yet the left cannot mount a critique that rises above rock lyrics and name-calling.

Perhaps that is because a serious critique would arise from conservative sensibilities, including respect for the law of unintended consequences (which are usually larger than, and contrary to, intended consequences). And the fact that a government's ability to control events anywhere is severely limited because a community, a nation and the world are like mobiles--jiggle something here, and lots of things are set in motion over there.

But the left also is inarticulate because nowadays it is little other than an amalgam of baby-boomer nostalgia and moral vanity. Nostalgia, that is, for the days, almost four decades ago, when its political vocabulary and moral vanity were formed.

Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, announcing his opposition to the president's nomination of Judge Charles Pickering of Mississippi to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said the Bush administration is trying to turn courts into ``the sword that destroys''--yes, destroys--``basic civil rights.'' Schumer, who shares the New York stage with Sen. Hillary Clinton, must make up in shrillness what he lacks in star power, so he should not be considered guilty of sincerity in suggesting that the Bill of Rights and the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act are in peril.

Schumer was 14 in 1964; hankering for the excitements of one's youth is only human. Besides, Schumer may be one of those baby boomers who believes that their existence, in all its perfection, is the great and final goal toward which the universe has been striving since the Big Bang. Still, it should not be too much to expect that senators could make their arguments without resorting to synthetic hysteria.

Two Sunday's ago The New York Times' long lead editorial was an exercise in hyperventilation titled ``The War Against Women.'' It argued--actually, it asserted; the Times no longer argues, it hectors--that the right to legal abortions is in ``dire peril.'' The Times was understandably opaque about just how this frequently exercised right (at least 1.2 million times last year) to one of America's most common surgical procedures is going to perish.

The Times regarding abortion, Schumer and liberals like him regarding ``basic civil rights'' and the left regarding war with Iraq--all share an unarticulated, perhaps unacknowledged, but nonetheless discernable premise: Domestic freedom and international order are threatened by dark currents pulsing through the incorrigible American masses.

These currents would engulf the world, were they not held at bay by small platoons of the virtuous--the ``peace movement,'' the courts and certain editorialists. These platoons are carrying the flame from the days of segregation and Vietnam, when the going was bad and only they--or so they recall--were good.
 
You're not exactly humble yourself, skippy.

P.S. That article was pure bullshit.




























































































































P.P.S. J/k I didn't read it.
 
I'm more worried about people who think that if you aren't far right, you must be far left. The arrogance of people who feel that if you don't follow the most radical ideology, you are the enemy. The arrogance of assuming that people who disagree with you have no good reason to do so, because you MUST be right.

And that applies to both extremes of the political spectrum.
 
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Johnny Mayberry said:


And that applies to both extremes of the political spectrum.
I think this contradicts the accusation of me using the term liberal.
Was it you or bluesboy?
 
Johnny Mayberry said:
I'm more worried about people who think that if you aren't far right, you must be far right. The arrogance of people who feel that if you don't follow the most radical ideology, you are the enemy. The arrogance of assuming that people who disagree with you have no good reason to do so, because you MUST be right.

And that applies to both extremes of the political spectrum.

Where does it say they are the enemy?

Makes as much sense as your first sentence. You may want to edit it.
 
De Sade said:
I think this contradicts the accusation of me using the term liberal.
Was it you or bluesboy?
I don't think it was me...I'm liberal on some things, pretty conservative on others, centrist on alot of stuff.
 
Ishmael said:
War has not been unambiguously thrust upon us, as in 1861 by secession, or in 1*** by unrestricted submarine warfare, or in 1941 by surprise attack, or by aggression across international borders as in June 1950 or August 1990.
Fucking hysterical.

I mean the fact that World War dates are deleted out because they have a certain three digits. THats insane, in the bad way.

But its a crap article.
 
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modest mouse said:
Fucking hysterical.

I mean the fact that World War dates are deleted out because they have a certain three digits. THats insane, in the bad way.

But its a crap article.

Why is it crap?
 
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miles said:
Why is it crap?

Its all rhetoric. Its typical two-party system tripe.

One side accusing the other but not saying much else. Sure, its somewhat entertaining, but not much else.

I am not much for spin, from any side.
 
Its a crap article because it assumes that all people who are against war are wimpy far-left babyboomers with no moral or ethical reason for doing it. It reduces complex issues to sound-bites that only amount to 'they disagree, so they are hysterical and wrong'. If it had been a 'liberal' making fun of Bush's general 'junior high' view of world affairs, George Will would have gone apeshit(even though Bush isn't exactly very well-informed)
 
Has anyone noticed... 1*** 1*** 1*** 1*** 1*** 1*** 1***

1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7 1 9 1 7

Wonder what happened in 1*** to make 1*** such an evil number to post?
 
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modest mouse said:
Its all rhetoric. Its typical two-party system tripe.

One side accusing the other but not saying much else. Sure, its somewhat entertaining, but not much else.

I am not much for spin, from any side.

You must love O'Reilly then.
 
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Some of you guys are so funny. Notice how you come out and beat yourselves up before any "conservatives" say hardly a word here?

LMAO
 
Johnny Mayberry said:
Its a crap article because it assumes that all people who are against war are wimpy far-left babyboomers with no moral or ethical reason for doing it. It reduces complex issues to sound-bites that only amount to 'they disagree, so they are hysterical and wrong'. If it had been a 'liberal' making fun of Bush's general 'junior high' view of world affairs, George Will would have gone apeshit(even though Bush isn't exactly very well-informed)

You either didn't read the article or didn't understand what you read.

The liberal's under discussion have added nothing of substance to the discussion. Like you they run around yelling that the sky is falling with no supporting evidence. Hubert Humphrey has to be turning in his grave.

All of the rhetoric flies in the face of logic, evidence, and the law. Rather than argue the points they have resoted to hysteria and name calling. Much as is seen here on the boards.

Ishmael
 
A Desert Rose said:
Some of you guys are so funny. Notice how you come out and beat yourselves up before any "conservatives" say hardly a word here?

LMAO

They think they're building 'credibility'.

Ishmael
 
Nine One Seven

Yeah, I posted the date of WW1 a couple of weeks ago and caught it....1***.

*** must be something that wigs out the front end or the db...or L&M are numerology fanatics. Spin knows I'm sure.

The article? Another hard line, "I'm right and the rest of you can suck my cock and go back where you came from if you don't like it asshole!" Busybody/Ishmael piece of crudd.

These are the kind of people that you read about trying to run over an ex girlfriend with their pickup truck.

I find it amazing that American media is fairly chock 'o block with high-profile editorialists like Will who can get 2500 words anywhere in the USA to basically say "You're a poopy head"

Your lowest common denominator must be frightfully low.

Scary stuff.
 
Ishmael said:
You either didn't read the article or didn't understand what you read.

The liberal's under discussion have added nothing of substance to the discussion. Like you they run around yelling that the sky is falling with no supporting evidence. Hubert Humphrey has to be turning in his grave.

All of the rhetoric flies in the face of logic, evidence, and the law. Rather than argue the points they have resoted to hysteria and name calling. Much as is seen here on the boards.

Ishmael
Hey, I thought that Will's article was name-calling as well, SO THERE! LMAO...

Both sides do it, dismissing the other extreme with its name, as though that's enough. "Baby Boomer liberal' seems to be the only reason to dismiss some arguments, the same way that 'racist conservative' is a knee-jerk reaction. The reality is usually more complex...
 
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modest mouse said:
Its all rhetoric. Its typical two-party system tripe.


This is rhetoric?

``Hey, Bush, kiss my ass/We won't fight for the price of gas.'' (Today's U.S. average price of a gallon of regular is $1.45. The 1953 price, adjusted for inflation, was $1.95.)

Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, announcing his opposition to the president's nomination of Judge Charles Pickering of Mississippi to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said the Bush administration is trying to turn courts into ``the sword that destroys''--yes, destroys--``basic civil rights.''

Two Sunday's ago The New York Times' long lead editorial was an exercise in hyperventilation titled ``The War Against Women.'' It argued--actually, it asserted; the Times no longer argues, it hectors--that the right to legal abortions is in ``dire peril.'' The Times was understandably opaque about just how this frequently exercised right (at least 1.2 million times last year) to one of America's most common surgical procedures is going to perish
 
I'm waiting for Johnny to yell "Koo Koo Kachoo" and run out of the thread.
 
HeavyStick said:
I'm waiting for Johnny to yell "Koo Koo Kachoo" and run out of the thread.

Oh dammit HS.... don't start me. LMAO

I guess it's time for drinking ... Johnny and DeSade are both here.
 
Re: Nine One Seven

Lancecastor said:
Yeah, I posted the date of WW1 a couple of weeks ago and caught it....1***.

*** must be something that wigs out the front end or the db...or L&M are numerology fanatics. Spin knows I'm sure.

The article? Another hard line, "I'm right and the rest of you can suck my cock and go back where you came from if you don't like it asshole!" Busybody/Ishmael piece of crudd.

These are the kind of people that you read about trying to run over an ex girlfriend with their pickup truck.

I find it amazing that American media is fairly chock 'o block with high-profile editorialists like Will who can get 2500 words anywhere in the USA to basically say "You're a poopy head"

Your lowest common denominator must be frightfully low.

Scary stuff.

More like REDWAVE everyday.

Reducing yourself to troll status, and doing a great job I might add. Keep up the good work.

Ishmael
 
HeavyStick said:
I'm waiting for Johnny to yell "Koo Koo Kachoo" and run out of the thread.
You're building up to getting an asskicking, you know this, right? Lay off the crank, dude.
 
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