The African Safari.

Cairo

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Kip, what on God's green earth were you thinking when you wrote this story? Is this a joke? We already have one of the most violent rape stories on this site featuring a "big black man." Now, you have chosen to push the envelope by writing a story featuring a bunch of African tribesmen with oversized penises whose only purpose in life is to "fuckee, fuckee" with white women. You've chosen, by your imagery in this story, to imply that black women in tribal Africa all walk around topless. I'm sure you debated over whether to have them know any of the English language in this story. I am disappointed with your effort this time, Kip. I've read some of your other work, and none of it has reflected the ignorance apparant in this story. If this is your fantasy, that is a terrible shame. The idea itself-- getting lost on a safari, and being seduced by a group of African residents-- is far fetched, but a writer with your skills should have been able to make it work without incorporating these anachronistic, stereotypical, and inaccurate themes that downplay what otherwise could have been a good story.

Try again, Kip. There may still be hope for you.

[This message has been edited by Cairo (edited 11-06-1999).]
 
Cairo,
Hey dude, it's not a true story. I was only writing what I got an email request for. So,
basically I took the idea someone gave me and spiced it up a little. Sorry to have upset or disappointed you. Alot of people send me emails with requests for stories, and I try to oblige them as much as I can. I
myself don't really like rape stories to start with. And I am not a racist if you were implying that. Once again, it's only a far fetched fantasy that someone submitted to me by email.
kip carson
 
Well, I'm not surprised that somebody was upset by the "African Safari" story, but really, folks, all the stories on this site would upset SOMEBODY. (If you want to get really upset, just think that this story would have been right in the mainstream of popular opinion about 75 years ago!)
These pieces are fiction, and erotica/pornography usually has very little to do with the reality of the world around us. Black men with big cocks are part of the accepted mythology, just like oversexed nurses and babysitters who turn into temptresses.
I think Kip did a pretty good job with a fairly routine concept and I found it quite stimulating (as I do with everything he writes).
 
mike,
hey dude, thank you very much. you wouldn't believe how good it feels to have someone defend that story. when i wrote it, as it was requested, never really meant to stereotype any race in particular. All of my black friends, always brag about how big their cocks are, and how much the white girls love them, so i don't think i offended any race by that story, either.
once again, thank you,
Kip Carson
 
Just because it's tradition and it's longstanding doesn't mean it's right. Unfortunately, there are some folks who've actually bought all the negative imagery they've been fed. If this is a so called "normal" part of social mythos, why haven't I seen any stories featuring "rednecks", "spics" or "chinks" on this website? I won't drive this issue into the ground, but I still stand behind what I said. Diversity in opinion is part of what drives this site, and I appreciate all of your responses. Kip, I've read a little more of your work (you've written quite a bit), and I certainly want you to keep writing. To the other participant in this conversation: I realize that all of these stories could be considered offensive at some level, but useless insults do not serve as aphrodisiacs to anyone. I encourage all who read this interchange to think carefully before they write. You never know who's reading.

This is my final comment. There are certainly more worthy things to talk about in a site of this nature.
 
Relax, eh.

(People get so bent! Why are you here? We don't need any censors, thank you. "I want to read graphic porngraphy..... as long as it's not too offensive." WHATEVER!)
 
I don't think Cairo is advocating censorship - he's just expressing his opinion on a story (after all, this is the "Story Feedback" forum, eh?). I agree with Cairo in that just because something is a well-accepted stereotype does not make it right. I also believe (as Mike Tauron) that this is an erotic fiction site, and that erotic stories (like most genre fiction) are fraught with stereotypes and assumptions.

Having read every single story on this site, I can say with authority that there is a something on this site to offend everyone - racial stereotypes (of all races), sexual stereotypes, and descriptions of violence and sex acts that make even me gag and feel sick.

I've always wanted Literotica to be more than a place to get your rocks off. I mean, I definitely want the readers to get off, don't mistake me, but I want the stories to be challenging, to invite examination, to provoke strong feelings in the reader. The writers who submit here have made this site the sexy, thought-provoking place that I am proud to hang out at. I welcome this kind of debate because it helps all of us analyze what we read, what we write, and how (and why) we react to the stories.

[This message has been edited by Laurel (edited 11-13-1999).]
 
Cairo will probably be disturbed to know that his last comments set me musing on the possibility of writing an erotic story that would offend *everyone*.....

It would take me a while to plan out, because I would want to include every offensive stereotype I could collect - the black man with the big cock, the neurotic Jew who's always on the phone to his analyst, the American Indian who speaks in monosyllables, the lisping homosexual, the gruff mannish lesbian, the beer-swilling Australian, the greasy Latin American seducer, the comical Chinaman who speaks in broken English....

No, on second thoughts, maybe not. There are so many possibilities that nobody could get them all into a single story!
 
Ooooh, but that opens the door WIDE for an interactive story, don't you think :)

Everybody could take his or her favorite stereotype....
 
Hey Mike and Bob, how about giving the ladies our just due on the stereotypes? I want to hear some they "are both on their periods, suffering from PMS, and can't find a way to get the thumbtacks out of their maxipads or the sandpaper out of their tampons."

And Kip Carson, you are a true gentleman, the way you handled this entire matter. I liked the story very much but I was too damn chicken to get into the fray in the beginning, like I don't step in enough shit already. Please let us know what happens in the Phillipines. I know you are happily married and all, but you got any brothers?

Who was it who said what goes around comes around? I think it was much better put by Anais Nin, the mostly French hors d'oeuvre, "you fuck somebody good and they will fuck you good back."
 
Sorry, Deborah, but that's what happens when intelligence takes a back seat to being a smart aleck about every little thing that rubs you the wrong way. Acting, speaking, or writing without good sense leads people to label you with a stereotype, whether it be black men with long dicks, Jews witholding money, or women on PMS. I wrote that just to see what she would do with a taste of her own medicine. But, a long speech to a deaf man results in a mute, so I'll stop here.

Just my opinion.
 
Actually, she was once again getting quite humble there. When you see that from someone who is otherwise vindictive and derogatory - I wouldn't kick 'em for it. (Before Laurel feebly tries to spank me again - do whatever you please. Just my opinion.)

There's some tenderness in there, isn't there Deb? And it may be where the anger/negativity stems from.

I, for one, get a woody when you get all vulnerable. Watch out!
 
Cairo,

Your PMS comment obviously upset several women and they said so. I suspect many more who did not speak up were likewise offended. I was.

What is really disturbing is that in this thread on 11/12 you say, " ... but useless insults do not serve as aphrodisiacs to anyone. I encourage all who read this interchange to think carefully before they write" and then the very next day you go off on your feminazi PMS rant.

I believe that people with strong and sincere convictions on issues such as stereotypes do not totally contradict themselves as you did. It does make one wonder if you put Kip through the wringer as some sort of silly little game just to amuse yourself.

This is just my opinion. Kip offered an apology where one was not necessary. You did not offer an apology where one would have been quite appropriate.

Sarah
 
all these opinions stated like facts! i probably have a post or ten that fall under the same category, but damn!! there are a bunch of cocksure self-righteous personalities strutting around here...

"but show me your dick, baby, and all is forgiven.."

[This message has been edited by southernhelle (edited 11-18-1999).]
 
Yo, Kip, don't take any shit from anyone. Attention people: This is a erotic story site. Kip's story was fictional. If it offends you, too bad. I didn't even like the story, but I don't think it was racist or any of that shit. This is pornography people. PORNO. Hello? Don't read too much into it. Relax, it's just porno. That's all I'm saying.
 
I'm just curious. If the term 'cock-sure' was assumed by a woman, AS a woman. What would that make her?

Just want to be sure we have no heinous double standards here.

(I'm about seconds away from voicing a man's right to be a fucking man! Who's suppressing who? Put that in your pipe and smoke it!)
 
........but you didn't answer the question.

(That was actually pretty clever Deb - points ; ). But you didn't answer the question)

[This message has been edited by XXplorher (edited 11-19-1999).]
 
This is all about setting men free. That is our primary objective, and once accomplished, you will be eternally grateful and forever worship at our feet (no biting and sucking our toes!)
 
no relevance to that, X, a disturbing trend you seem to be heading lately...it's kind of like that saying "if a man speaks in the forest and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?" who cares? if there were a bunch of women running around here spouting nonsense, I would have used a different term. With the exception of Osiris, you all appear to be men.
 
>(I'm about seconds away from voicing a man's right to be a fucking man! Who's
suppressing who? Put that in your pipe and smoke it!)

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Everyone has a right to be whoever and whatever they wish on this site. I believe this argument began because someone on another board attacked Deborah and Southernhelle, saying they're posts were negative, etc. If you have the right to state your opinion, they (and anyone else) has the right to state their opinion on your opinion, and so forth.

Let's let this go, people. This "guys vs girls" thing is so half a century ago! Okay, so we all relate differently. We have distinct ways of communicating. I believe (though I'm beginning to wonder) that we are all rational, mature human beings who can rise above semantics and name-calling. Let's all take a deeeeep breath, take the chips off our shoulders, open our eyes and actually READ each other, instead of finding phrases to nitpick.

Then, let's talk about the act of sex for a while, eh? Just a thought...
 
Kip: I'm new to the BB, but have read all your stories currently listed. I found, for the most part, that they were erotic and entertaining. If someone finds anything offensive in any story, they should immediately hit the "back" on their browser. To continue reading what you find offensive doesn't make sense. Why continue to inflict that punishment on yourself?
KEEP WRITING KIP. D.L.T.B.G.Y.D!!

Just my opinion.
 
I finally got around to reading the story and I thiougt it was entertaining which was what it was suppose to be. Now what all the fuss about?
 
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