The 12 Step Bootstep

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[Stella_Omega]

I can't go anymore. I still do, every oncein a while. But it enrages me to be told I am still sick and will eventually fuck up and die because I do not live the program anymore.

I have moved on.

I know as many people who go their own way, as I do people who never leave-- never feel they can.
Twelve Step programs trade one addiction-- a physical one-- for another-- a 'social' addiction, in a sense. Some people can never transition away from addiction entirely. Some can. Those that can't simply don't understand those that can.

 

[Guest]

I know as many people who go their own way, as I do people who never leave-- never feel they can.
Twelve Step programs trade one addiction-- a physical one-- for another-- a 'social' addiction, in a sense. Some people can never transition away from addiction entirely. Some can. Those that can't simply don't understand those that can.

I was trying to drag Seth and James away from Haldir's thread. *sigh*

However, you are the coolness of an unruffled lake at dawn, and as cherished.

Thanks, Stella.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was trying to drag Seth and James away from Haldir's thread. *sigh*

However, you are the coolness of an unruffled lake at dawn, and as cherished.

Thanks, Stella.

Ah-- sorry, I didn't know

(edited) The only thing to do with jbj is to put him on ignore. Unless you want to cater to his particular brand of self-loathing...

and after all, there are more rewarding people to cater to.

 

[neonlyte]

I was trying to drag Seth and James away from Haldir's thread. *sigh*

However, you are the coolness of an unruffled lake at dawn, and as cherished.

Thanks, Stella.

Nice try - my page 3 of Haldir's thread is 'ignores' 'cept for you and Liar. When I want to get acquainted with a sanctimonious prick, I usually undo my zipper

 

[Stella_Omega]

Nice try - my page 3 of Haldir's thread is 'ignores' 'cept for you and Liar. When I want to get acquainted with a sanctimonious prick, I usually undo my zipper

Yes, i noticed that too-- a line of blank spots.

As for your prick, i reserve judgement.

 

[lisa123414]

I was trying to drag Seth and James away from Haldir's thread. *sigh*

However, you are the coolness of an unruffled lake at dawn, and as cherished.

Thanks, Stella.

I noticed what you were up to, and I have a newfound respect for you.

And I love, love, love your metaphor for Stella. *crosses fingers and hopes this is a metaphor and not a simile, thereby exposing illiterate self to ridicule*

 

[Guest]

Nice try - my page 3 of Haldir's thread is 'ignores' 'cept for you and Liar. When I want to get acquainted with a sanctimonious prick, I usually undo my zipper

Sanctimonious?

Oooh.

 

[Guest]

I noticed what you were up to, and I have a newfound respect for you.

And I love, love, love your metaphor for Stella. *crosses fingers and hopes this is a metaphor and not a simile, thereby exposing illiterate self to ridicule*

It is a lovely comment, and certainly signature line worthy.

 

[lisa123414]

Neon! Me and Sarahh and Stella want to see your sanctimonious prick!

Pretty please?

 

[Guest]

Neon! Me and Sarahh and Stella want to see your sanctimonious prick!

Pretty please?

 

[rgraham666]

Neon! Me and Sarahh and Stella want to see your sanctimonious prick!

Pretty please?

If he doesn't, I will.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I take issue with this - I say this is no better than being an addict.

All of these problems are experienced by sober alcoholics who "live and die" by the program.

I am recovered. I have achieved balance in my life. It took me ten years and initially I did use 12 steps groups.

I refuse to life believing I am flawed and will never recover without the help and support of a 12-step group.

I can't go anymore. I still do, every oncein a while. But it enrages me to be told I am still sick and will eventually fuck up and die because I do not live the program anymore.

I have moved on.

I also used AA for quite a while, and still go there occasionally. I find it to be beneficial, and I like to look up old friends. As for saying it is no better than being an addict, that is ridiculous. Refular attendance at AA, even nightly attendance, is vastly better than waking up in jail or in a gutter or someplace you don't remember getting to, or living on Skid Row or many other things. Those were the kind of things that happened to me, or that I did when I was a practicing alcoholic.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It is a lovely comment, and certainly signature line worthy.

It makes me blush-- and feel like a really good con artist

Plus it's so much to have to live up to!

On the other hand, when people comment on my asshole-ness, I can just point to it...

hmm, decisions.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It makes me blush-- and feel like a really good con artist

Madam, in that fine outfit, you look like a really high-class con artist.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Madam, in that fine outfit, you look like a really high-class con artist.

I believe we share the same haberdasher.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I had the interesting opportunity back on Active Duty to be taken out to dinner by a professional con man. He used to do a magazine subscription back in New York but was putting in his two years as a draftee. Would you believe the Army made him an MP? Solomon was his name and it's odd that I remember it because normally I'm totally hopeless with names. Anyway we wandered down the streets of San Francisco until we came to a pizza place that he thought adequate for a man of New York breeding. There wasn't much room in the place so the proprietor asked if we didn't mind sitting with a fellow who was dining alone. No problem. So the three of us sat and ate and drank beer and when the other guy got up to use the gents', Solly quietly told me to just quietly keep eating and talking and not to make any attempt to leave. Because, said he, if we waited long enough, the other guy would pay for all our dinners. Damned if he didn't! I've wondered for years how he knew . . .

 

[neonlyte]

Neon! Me and Sarahh and Stella want to see your sanctimonious prick!

Pretty please?

Good Lord! It's taken me four years to post 'mug shots'

 

[tickledkitty]

I believe we share the same haberdasher.

I love that word. Haberdasher. Haberdashery.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

What annoys me most about AA is the ritualistic denial of personal responsibility for the alcohol abuse. They blame it on every damned thing but themselves.

 

[Guest]

I also used AA for quite a while, and still go there occasionally. I find it to be beneficial, and I like to look up old friends. As for saying it is no better than being an addict, that is ridiculous. Refular attendance at AA, even nightly attendance, is vastly better than waking up in jail or in a gutter or someplace you don't remember getting to, or living on Skid Row or many other things. Those were the kind of things that happened to me, or that I did when I was a practicing alcoholic.

I apologise Boxlicker. That was an unworthy statement. I was in a bit of a mood yesterday. *wry* I know, excuses, excuses.

Really, I do have a lot of respect for the program, and for many of the people in it. yes, it was there for me when I needed it.

I guess what I had a hard time with was my own need for perfection(?). Here are all these people getting sober/straight and changing their lives, yet there was so much of the same old, same old.

I don't have a prick (but please, rob and neon, feel free to show us yours) but here is my sanctimonious stuff coming out.

I wanted to see more of the other changes. Quitting is really the first step, IMHO. Once you get that - umm - can't say "under control" - OK, addressed, then tome it's really important to get to a very real issue - yes, I do believe addiction is physiological, but there are amost always psychological issues that need to be addressed as well.

 

[Guest]

I noticed what you were up to, and I have a newfound respect for you.

And I love, love, love your metaphor for Stella. *crosses fingers and hopes this is a metaphor and not a simile, thereby exposing illiterate self to ridicule*

If you can put up with the occasional burst of neurotic self pity and the tendancy to sometimes act before thinking, I'm a kinda OK type person.

*purple*

 

[Boxlicker101]

What annoys me most about AA is the ritualistic denial of personal responsibility for the alcohol abuse. They blame it on every damned thing but themselves.

That is 100% untrue. One of the basic tenets of AA, to the degree they have basic tenets, is for members to take responsibility for everything they have done or that has happened to them.

 

[Guest]

That is 100% untrue. One of the basic tenets of AA, to the degree they have basic tenets, is for members to take responsibility for everything they have done or that has happened to them.

Yup. Take responsibility and then make amends.

 

[rgraham666]

Jimmy Bob? Considering how bad your own addiction is, I don't believe you are in any position to judge others.