That four letter word that means pussy.

[miss_honeypot]

This has probably already been talked about to exhaustion, but i'm desperately curious on what others think.

I'm talking about the word cunt. In a society that seems to take swearing with a grain of salt, why is it then that this word is still seen as nasty and offensive? I think I hear this word getting said by females more than I do by the male population, so what is it about this word that offends people so?

Consider. Penis and vagina are basically on even terms when considering their properness. So to are pussy and dick. Isn't it logical to assume that cunt is the word that counterbalances cock? All other terms for each are usually absurd or ludicrous (box, quiff, manhood, member, etc), so why is cock such a user-friendly word (and I mean in context with Lit writers now) while the word cunt seems to be taboo?

Personally, I like the word cunt and I use it, although not as often as I use the word cock. I really don't see what the big deal is.

Opinions?

 

[sweetnpetite]

Well, I don't know, but you've got a good point there, that it really dosn't have a male equivelent.

Maybe that is a big part of the reason and the answer to your question.

 

[Boxlicker101]

This has probably already been talked about to exhaustion, but i'm desperately curious on what others think.

I'm talking about the word cunt. In a society that seems to take swearing with a grain of salt, why is it then that this word is still seen as nasty and offensive? I think I hear this word getting said by females more than I do by the male population, so what is it about this word that offends people so?

Consider. Penis and vagina are basically on even terms when considering their properness. So to are pussy and dick. Isn't it logical to assume that cunt is the word that counterbalances cock? All other terms for each are usually absurd or ludicrous (box, quiff, manhood, member, etc), so why is cock such a user-friendly word (and I mean in context with Lit writers now) while the word cunt seems to be taboo?

Personally, I like the word cunt and I use it, although not as often as I use the word cock. I really don't see what the big deal is.

Opinions?

I think of cock and pussy as being equal and I use both of them. I almost never say cunt except when someone is talking dirty. "I'm gonna fuck your cunt," I said. "Oh, fuck my cunt with your big cock," she said.

To me, "cunt" has no male equivalent. One reason is that "cock" has several definitions and is used in even the most polite of societies to mean a rooster or to prepare a gun for firing or to move one's head to listen better. All the other commonly used words except one have other meanings also. "Cunt" has only one definition.

Assuming you are a woman, you will hear profanity used more by women than by men for the same reason that I will hear more profanity said by men. Almost every story I have ever written for Lit has "Fuck" in the narration and most of them have it in dialogue.

I'm not sure why but I think "cunt" is probably the dirtiest word in the English language. If you have heard "Sex in the City", you hear people saying "fuck" fairly often but not "cunt", although they do say cock and pussy. I don't know why that is, since "fuck" has only one definition also.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

In almost all of the annonyamous erotica of the victorian and edwardian era the words used for a woman's genitalia are usually quim and cunny. I believe cunny has it's roots in latin or greek (think cunnilingus) and cunt would seem to be the evolution of that word.

To me the C word is a very character specific word. There are certain types of character who would use it, but the majority wouldn't. Even in erotic works it still carries some shock value where most others pussy, cock, tits, dick etc. are about as shocking as, and and the.

A butch biker might use the word in describing her more submissive partner's anatomy. A domme might demand her slave use it for her own sex as a form of humiliation. Two femmes in the heat of passion might use it, just to add flavor to sex by "talking dirty". But in my average story no character uses it and the narrator does only when the narrative point of view is closely tied to a character who might.

While I have written the wrod a few times in the last couple of years I have probably usttered it just once, in describing a particularly nasty neighbor where the word bitch just wasn't close to describing how she was acting towards another nighbor.

While I don't understand the genisis the word is so loaded it is almost a slur towards women, on par with other slurs like nigger or spic or wop or fag. How it achieved that conntation I don't know, but I do know I can be called a bitch and it makes little impression, if someone calls me a cunt I take serious ofense.

My roomate is a fairly big girl and she is strong like bull, to rob a phrase. She is as sweet as the day is long and I rarely see her loose her temper. One of her freinds has a "freind" who is foul mouthed and mean spirted and pretty petty. She called my roomy a cunt and got her ass beat and I am not talking a slapping scratching cat fight, I'm talking a take em out behind the wood shed and beat em bloody. I think she has used every curse word known and has been ignored, but Cunt earned her an ass-whpping. It's that kinda word.

-Colly

 

[Carl East]

Personally, I have no problems with the word cunt but I only ever use that word when the sex could be described as hot or forced. I much prefer pussy (insert own joke here) as a way to describe a woman's genitalia.

Carl

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Most of the slang words for the vagina have a derogatory connotation that goes beyond the mildness of the corresponding male words. ("Pussy" seems to be one of the few value-neutral words, which is probably why it's used to death.) No doubt this is because men make up and use most of these words. You can call a nasty guy a "prick", but that doesn't really have the sense of real opprobrium as does calling someone a "cunt". Also, "cunt" is just an ugly-sounding word: dull and brutal and spoken in the back of the throat.

Similarly, calling a guy a "bastard" doesn't have the same sting as calling a woman a "bitch". I've had a lot of women take me to task for affectionately using the word "bitch" in a story (yes, it's possible), but no one's ever objected to my using the word "bastard".

---dr.M.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Most of the slang words for the vagina have a derogatory connotation that goes beyond the mildness of the corresponding male words. ("Pussy" seems to be one of the few value-neutral words, which is probably why it's used to death.) No doubt this is because men make up and use most of these words. You can call a nasty guy a "prick", but that doesn't really have the sense of real opprobrium as does calling someone a "cunt". Also, "cunt" is just an ugly-sounding word: dull and brutal and spoken in the back of the throat.

Similarly, calling a guy a "bastard" doesn't have the same sting as calling a woman a "bitch". I've had a lot of women take me to task for affectionately using the word "bitch" in a story (yes, it's possible), but no one's ever objected to my using the word "bastard".

---dr.M.

I use bitch affectionately in a lot of my tales. Don't usually catch any slack for it. i think you may be right too on the way cunt sounds, it is a rather harsh brutal word when spoken.

-Colly

 

[A7inchPhildo]

I always thought it had something to with men use vulgar words more frequently so they came up with more words for the female anatomy than females have for the male anatomy.

Cunt is right up there with snatch, twat! The root word is cunnis from Latin.

"Cunt" and various derivations of the word have been in use for possible millennia in words such as 'Cunti' the name of an Oriental Great Goddess. From the same root came 'country', 'kind', and the word 'kin' which meant not only matrilinial blood relation, but also a cleft or crevice (in the rock suggesting) the Goddess'genital opening. In ancient writings the word cunt was synonymous with 'woman,' though not in the insulting modern sense. An Egyptologist was shocked to find (the word cunt in) the maxims of Ptah-Hotep." (Walker, 1983, 197)

The word cunt has not always been seen as a derogative.

Although Shakespear doesn't use the word explicitly (or with deogitory meaning)in his plays, he still has fun with it, using word play to sneak it in. In Act III, Scene 2, of Hamelet, Prince of Denmark.

As the castle's residents are settling in to watch the play-within-the-play, Hamlet asks Ophelia, "Lady, shall I lie in your lap?" Ophelia of course, replies,"No, my lord." Hamlet, feigning shock, says, "Do you think I meant country matters?" Then, to drive home the point that the accent is definitely on the first syllable of "country," Shakespeare has Hamlet say, "That's a fair thought, to lie between maids' legs."


Whatever and how ever the word is used we will always have "C" "U" next tuesday!

 

[kellycummings]

I've always thought it was an awful word. I never, ever use it in real life or in print. I use a lot of swear words, as you can see from some of my posts, but never that one. It's probably cultural though because I know many people use it without much though.

 

[Guest]

I like the word "cunt", and even love it at times; at very sepcific times, I must add.

I use it in my writing, especially when writing hard-hitting erotic horror stuff. That word does have a lot of impact, and I use it sparingly, for effect, I suppose. I'll build up the sex scene gradually, using the word "sex" to mean gentalia, and when it comes to a certain point, where actual penetration is made, for example, I will say something like, he forced his cock into her cunt. It always seems to have the desired effect.

I used to use the word "pussy" a lot, and still do, if it's that kind of story, but it's rare now. I find it's too soft and "pretty" for the context.

I'm not gonna go into when, and under what circumstances I love hearing that word said to me, or when I say it myself.

Lou

 

[kellycummings]

I like the word "cunt", and even love it at times; at very sepcific times, I must add.

I use it in my writing, especially when writing hard-hitting erotic horror stuff. That word does have a lot of impact, and I use it sparingly, for effect, I suppose. I'll build up the sex scene gradually, using the word "sex" to mean gentalia, and when it comes to a certain point, where actual penetration is made, for example, I will say something like, he forced his cock into her cunt. It always seems to have the desired effect.

I used to use the word "pussy" a lot, and still do, if it's that kind of story, but it's rare now. I find it's too soft and "pretty" for the context.

I'm not gonna go into when, and under what circumstances I love hearing that word said to me, or when I say it myself.

Lou

Like I said, I think it's cultural and personal. Some people don't mind it at all and, like you, even enjoy it. Probably has more to do with where and how you were raised than anything else. Some think that fuck is the worst possible word while I use it with wild abandon.

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

Like I said, I think it's cultural and personal. Some people don't mind it at all and, like you, even enjoy it. Probably has more to do with where and how you were raised than anything else. Some think that fuck is the worst possible word while I use it with wild abandon.

I was raised by middle class parents, in a well-to-do English town.

It's got nothing to do with how I was raised, my parents never swore in front of me, just as I never swear in front of my children.

It has to do with what I am good at writing, and the sexual exploration I have made in adulthood.

I am an open, honest, down to earth woman, who is true to herself.

Please don't start implying anything derogatory about how people come to use certain words.

Lou

 

[McKenna]

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[Carl East]

I'm not gonna go into when, and under what circumstances I love hearing that word said to me, or when I say it myself.

Lou

I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and imagine where you would say that word.

"Ouch, wrong hole you cunt."

Carl

 

[Guest]

I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and imagine where you would say that word.

"Ouch, wrong hole you cunt."

Carl

Nope

 

[kellycummings]

Please don't start implying anything derogatory about how people come to use certain words.

Lou [/B]

I didn't realize that I had. I meant nothing bad at all. By saying that I thought it had to do with where and how a person was raised I was trying to say some are raised to believe words are just words and don't really mean anything. I've always felt that the c word was bad because that is how my parents felt and most of the people around me. I was not implying that I was right and you were wrong at all and if it was taken that way then I apologize.

 

[Carl East]

Nope

Nuff said.

Carl

 

[Guest]

I said I didn't want to go into it. That's way too personal and private for me to comment on.



Lou - who sometimes wishes she'd keep her mouth shut.

P.S. Kelly, aplogies from me, too. Guess I'm feeling a little "touchy" today, for certain reasons.

Edited to add, I was raised to believe all swear words were bad. I never heard anybody say that word when I was a child, as well as "fuck" and "shit". The worst I ever heard was "bloody hell". As I said, in adulthood, it's different. Perhaps I move in different circles now.

 

[Carl East]

I said I didn't want to go into it. That's way too personal and private for me to comment on.



Lou - who sometimes wishes she'd keep her mouth shut.

P.S. Kelly, aplogies from me, too. Guess I'm feeling a little "touchy" today, for certain reasons.

My apologies Lou, I was trying to make you laugh. I guess I went too far, sorry sweet thing.



Carl

 

[kellycummings]

P.S. Kelly, aplogies from me, too. Guess I'm feeling a little "touchy" today, for certain reasons. [/B]

Ah, gotcha.




No need for you to apologize. I see how I could have easily been taken wrong. Sometimes my brain and hands aren't in sync.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Word choice I think is one of the primary decisions we make as authors. Your choice of words is dependant not only on your vocabulary, but on the scene, the type of story and the feelings you wish to evoke. Some word are more evocative than others.

When it comes down to it most of us will eventualy reach the point in a piece where tab a needs to be inserted into slot b. For tab A you have a wide choice of options from the ubiquitous cock or dick, to the seldom used prick and those fine examples of writing like Manhood, meat spear and pussy pleaser et al.

For slot b you are significantly more constrained. Avoiding flower metaphors you have few choices. Pussy is the most value neutral as doc pointed out. Vagina is so clinical, it ruins the flow of most erotic work. Ditto for labia. After that where do you go? Box, Twat, muff, snatch, etc. all carry a somewhat derrogotory connotation. While I think cunt carries perhaps a stronger connotarion, it is sometimes the best word to use among a limited selection.

-Colly
-Colly

 

[kellycummings]

For slot b you are significantly more constrained. Avoiding flower metaphors you have few choices. Pussy is the most value neutral as doc pointed out. Vagina is so clinical, it ruins the flow of most erotic work. Ditto for labia. After that where do you go? Box, Twat, muff, snatch, etc. all carry a somewhat derrogotory connotation. While I think cunt carries perhaps a stronger connotarion, it is sometimes the best word to use among a limited selection.

We need more words. Someone needs to come up with a list of words for the vagina that is equal to that of a penis. There are so many for a dick that I am always hearing new ones. Vagina has what? maybe 15-20 if you count the stupid ones likes 'bearded clam' and 'sideways taco'? It's men that make this shit up, come on guys, you can do better than that!

 

[Guest]

Phil (and the cross-gartered bloke):
There are many "country matters" entendres in Shakespeare, but I think it's 12th Night where he comes as close as he could in spelling out, literally, cunt, in Act Two, scene 5:

MALVOLIO
By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her
very C's, her U's and her T's and thus makes she her
great P's. It is, in contempt of question, her hand.

SIR ANDREW
Her C's, her U's and her T's: why that?

Sirs Toby Belch and Andrew Aguecheek, Maria and Fabian have plotted to make a fool of Malvolio, the uptight aide-de-camp to their grieving mistress Olivia. Maria writes a sort of love letter to Malvolio in Olivia's handwriting and he reads it and thinks aloud in the garden. Above, he does not hear Sir Andrew's and the others' remarks. The letter also instructs him to wear cross-gartered yellow stockings, which Malvolio thinks are near execrable and beneath him, but he puts on a fool's costume thinking it will give him access to his lady's c-u-n-t. It's an extremely humiliating scene.

Me? I like the word and use it powerfully, sometimes enticingly, sometimes lovingly. In real anger or contempt I don't think I'd use it, though; I prefer calling a bastard a twat.

Perdita

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Funny enough, I switch between "pussy" and "cunt" depending on what language I'm using. In Swedish, I always use the Swedish word for cunt, which is "fitta", and hardly ever the Swedish word for pussy, which is "mus".
In English, however, I almost always say "pussy" instead of "cunt".