Terrorism: The Inevitable Solution to the Problem

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Terrorism: The Inevitable Solution to the Problem

On December 7, 1941, the United States was attacked by a force sworn to bring America to its knees. People forget that WWII was not popular at all in the early months/ years of the effort, as it seemed to be a repeat of the go-nowhere losing position deplored in The Great War’s muddy trenches. The so called “war effort” didn’t really take hold and capture the hearts of the public until it looked like there was a chance to actually defeat the Axis powers. Wars are not popular until you are winning them. That’s not just true in USA, but pretty much everyplace.

Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, was a strong, proud, and brave soldier of WWII. He was Harvard educated and trained at the U.S. Naval War College. He understood America and Americans much better than I do, and probably a lot better than many of the people posting on the General Board do.

Life styles and patterns have changed a great deal since the Mayflower, Civil War, Westward Movement, and so on, but the basic characteristics of the American personality haven’t really changed that much, in my opinion. The strange blend of compassion, racism, cruel yet unflinching Bible thumping inconsistencies, zenophobic isolationist prejudices, etc., are now only partially hidden beneath the surface by the pressures of political correctness and the misguided confusing of equity with equality. Americans are, as individuals, pragmatic and common-sensed. Collectively, Americans often seem passive-aggressive. The live-and-let-live credo is easily replaced by hate-mob mentality and action when good and God-fearing people are sufficiently provoced. It was Yamamoto who wisely observed, at the outset of WWII, after the attack on the U.S. naval forces at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on December 7, 1941 that "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

People on the West Coast of the United States, for example, did little more than shrug as their neighbors of Japanese ancestry (both American citizens and Japanese Nationals) were ordered to report for relocation away from the coastline.

By 1945, the invasion of the Japanese mainland (Islands) was fully organized and prepared. However, the mindset and tradition of the Japanese people made it clear that the invading Allied army would face many years of house-to-house / hand-to-hand combat before Japan would be “pacified.” One can only estimate the number of Allied soldiers and Japanese people (soldiers and civilians) who would be killed as the invading forces slowly crept through Japan in a long, bitter twilight struggle of national debasement and humiliation, the occupiers “remembering Pearl Harbor” as they “pacify” the Japanese population.

President Truman gave the order to put a quick end to the war by dropping warning fliers and later two nuclear weapons, one on each of two Japanese cities, thus saving the lives of countless Allied soldiers and even more Japanese soldiers and civilians. Japan was quickly transformed and rehabilitated, through the efforts of the Allied Occupation Forces until, on September 8, 1951 Japan was restored to its status as an independent country. Indeed, it is a tribute to both the Allied occupation and spirit and resolve of the Japanese people that Japan grew from a defeated and humiliated nation to a major economic power by 1965.

The reasons Japan had “gone off the deep end,” and attacked the United States are complex. In short, throughout the 1920s and into the 1930s Japanese ultranationalists increased their influence and participaiton in Japanese politics, promoting their fundamentalist ideology of hakkō ichiu, the belief that God wishes the holy and righteous Japanese to take control of all Asia, by force if necessary. Death of an individual pursuing hakkō ichiu was no death at all, but a guarantee of entrance into heaven. (No mention of 47 virgins in this rendition of the familiar theme). Indeed, in November 1938, prime minister Fumimaro Konoe declared that Japan’s true and God-given purpose was the creation of the so-called "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". In fact, he stated that a war in that effort was, in his words, in "conformity with the very spirit in which our nation was founded.” He characterized the upcoming battle as the fighting of a "holy war" (“Seisen”). Sounding familiar yet?

Many Japanese people, both the educated and simple folk, accepted this with religious zeal. To do otherwise would put one outside the fundamental fabric of Japanese culture and Nation. After all, these are People of Ferver.

Whenever God speaks to people, telling them to go kill other people, it’s hard to explain to many that perhaps it is not really God who is inspiring the notion, but leaders with their own personal agenda. Once one starts down that road (explaining this stuff to People of Fervor), one becomes the heretic, the outcast, the devil, and so on. This was probably the case long before humans emerged from the caves of pre-civilization.

There are few people in the world of Islam with the bravery of Isoroku Yamamoto. If there are any, they fear to speak out, lest they be targetted by the Zealots who have seized control of their faith – of their culture. Somewhere quietly, in their homes, with the drapes drawn tight, they look at September 11, 2001 and say to themselves (in not much more than a frightened whisper), "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This is not the movies, folks. The retribution that is yet to come travels a long, tedious, frustrating, and terrifying road. But that juggernaut set into motion on September 11, 2001 cannot be stopped by any force in the Universe.

The Zealots and Persons of Fervor will continue their attacks, assuming that they are defeating the devil, in the name of God, of course, mission after mission. The military gamesmanship of the West, with such things as “surgical strikes” – which often are neither all that surgical nor that much of a strike – will grow wearisome in time, particularly as popular support for such efforts declines further and further. The Truman analysis and the Truman Solution will eventually be addressed and then reluctantly accepted. Ugly? You bet. But this is inevitable. Oh, perhaps not in [President H. Clinton’s] or [President R. Guiliani’s] administration but, at some point, that will be The Final Solution of the Terrorist Problem.

There have been a lot of crying rags understandably brought out today, in remembrance of those who died on September 11, 2001 and for their families and friends, but to quote the great 20th Century American poet, Bob Dylan:

“But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.”

[The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll – © 1964 Bob Dylan]

It is the wrath of the juggernaut set into motion that day; it is the suffering and cruelly of the generalized and non-specific wasting of humanity inevitably to follow, when the sleeping giant exacts its horrible and decimating toll – that will be the time for your tears.

Either, neither, or both sides most certainly have God on their side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goiuEthCo1E

Lyrics:

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.


Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music
 
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I got a couple of PMs, so I should also say that I don't see this inevitable playing out of events as positive or anything anyone should aspire to have happen. I'm just saying that that's how I see the future.
 
It's what happens when two diametrically opposed philosophies collide. How would you change that?

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
It's what happens when two diametrically opposed philosophies collide. How would you change that?

Ishmael

Were it philosophical in nature, there would be no problem. The problem is a messianic utopian political cult with world domination as its goal. One of three things must, therefore, happen:

1. It wins (unlikely);

2. It gets some sense bombed into it (likely);

3. It becomes diluted and harmless as the fervor dissipates over time and generational apathy (the default setting of all things).
 
Karen Kraft said:
Were it philosophical in nature, there would be no problem. The problem is a messianic utopian political cult with world domination as its goal. One of three things must, therefore, happen:

1. It wins (unlikely);

2. It gets some sense bombed into it (likely);

3. It becomes diluted and harmless as the fervor dissipates over time and generational apathy (the default setting of all things).

It's not as political in nature as you paint it. Read the Holy Qu'ran and the Haddiths. Islam, by it's founding nature, is intolerant of secular law.

A combination of 2 and 3 are the most likely. There are some Egyptian Islamic scholars now turning back to the school of the Mu'tazzillah for guidance. (And it's best to remember that the very root of modern radical Islam is to be found in Egypt, not Saudi Arabia.)

Ishmael
 
Karen Kraft said:
The problem is a messianic utopian political cult with world domination as its goal.

And the other side is Islamic. *rimshot*
 
The solution is simple...Take oil out of the equation, there is no conflict the US needs to be involved in..we have more than enough alternative supplies and technology..we only lack honest leadership.
 
sufisaint said:
The solution is simple...Take oil out of the equation, there is no conflict the US needs to be involved in..we have more than enough alternative supplies and technology..we only lack honest leadership.

Wow, a simple solution to a complex problem! Why didn't any of the political experts think of that one?

Oh yeah, because it's idiotic.
 
Stuponfucious said:
Wow, a simple solution to a complex problem! Why didn't any of the political experts think of that one?

Oh yeah, because it's idiotic.


when did you become an asshole?
 
Stuponfucious said:
Wow, a simple solution to a complex problem! Why didn't any of the political experts think of that one?

Oh yeah, because it's idiotic.
Because stupid assholes like you let "experts" do your thinking for you....
 
Same bullshit, different day~

Except now we have moral relativism and appeasers~

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Terrorism and the New American Republic

In 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson met with Arab diplomats from Tunis, who were conducting terror raids and piracy against American ships.

History records them as the Barbary Pirates. In fact, they were blackmailing terrorists, hiding behind a self-serving interpretation of their Islamic faith by embracing select tracts and ignoring others. Borrowing from the Christian Crusades of centuries past, they used history as a mandate for doing the western world one better. The quisling European powers had been buying them off for years.

On March 28, 1786 Jefferson and Adams detailed what they saw as the main issue:

“We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Thomas Jefferson wanted a military solution, but decades of blackmailing the American Republic and enslaving its citizens would continue until the new American nation realized that the only answer to terrorism was force.

"There's a temptation to view all of our problems as unprecedented and all of our threats as new and novel," says George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley. Shortly after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, Turley advised some members of Congress who were considering a formal declaration of war against the suspected perpetrators. He invoked the precedent of the Barbary pirates, saying America had every right to attack and destroy the terrorist leadership without declaring war.

"Congress did not actually declare war on the pirates," Turley wrote in a memo, "but 'authorized' the use of force against the regencies after our bribes and ransoms were having no effect. This may have been due to an appreciation that a declaration of war on such petty tyrants would have elevated their status. Accordingly, they were treated as pirates and, after a disgraceful period of accommodation, we hunted them down as pirates."

Because of their outlaw conduct, pirates -- and modern-day terrorists -- put themselves outside protection of the law, according to military strategy expert Dave McIntyre, a former dean at the National War College. "On the high seas if you saw a pirate, you sank the bastard," he says. "You assault pirates, you don't arrest pirates."

Shoot first, ask questions later. Wanted: Dead or alive. Such is our official policy regarding Osama bin Laden, the most infamous outlaw of the era.

One of the enduring lessons of the Barbary campaigns was to never give in to outlaws, whether you call them pirates or terrorists. In the late 1700s, America paid significant blackmail for peace -- shelling out $990,000 to the Algerians alone at a time when national revenues totaled just $7 million.

"Too many concessions have been made to Algiers," U.S. consul William Eaton wrote to the Secretary of State in 1799. "There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror."
 
apexpark said:
when did you become an asshole?

Are you joking?

sufisaint said:
Because stupid assholes like you let "experts" do your thinking for you....

Agreeing with the experts' concensus and letting them do my thinking for me aren't the same thing.

So tell me, if you're so much smarter than everyone else then why did we fight the Civil War or WWI or WWII etc.? For oil? Don't kid yourself.
 
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