Temporaily hooking two computers together how?

[Todd]

how do I do this, I want to be able to move files from one to the other inorder to burn them.

what do i need

 

[Xander]

Todd, you need a network card in both computers. Then have one of them be the master puter, and the other a slave. The slave has to be able to see the Master in "neighbouhood networks"

When it does that, you can access and transfer files from one to the other.

Oh and of course you need the networking cables, to connect the two puters.

 

[SweetCherry]

Well, from what I know, you can either network them together with network cards and cables, or rake the HD from one PC and install it as a slave into the other temporarily. Never networked with mine, but I have installed tandem drives. It's a bit of a pain in the ass, but not too bad.

 

[Todd]

are network cards standard fare in computers?

how can I tell if i have a network card

 

[Thumper]

Needful things

Windows 98 or better I think maybe Win95 will work
Either a null modem cable connected to the serial ports...beyond that I don't know I use Lan cards and a hub

To do it my way...(I have four of them networked)

A hub
Two RJ-45 cables
Two LAN PCI network cards
(you can buy a home networking kit with all of this for around 50 bucks US)

Enable File sharing on the Network properties tab
Add IPX/SPX protocol " " " " "
Set Logon to Client for Microsoft Networks in the network properties tab.

Click on and open My Computer. Right click the C drive icon and click on Sharing...

In that box check the "Shared as" radio button

Do this to both computers

Do it again when it doesn't work..

Do it once more...

Throw screwdriver against wall, and yell obscenities...

Try again...

Curse the ground Bill Gates walks on...

Go to bed....

Try again the next day...

Buy CD-R for other computer...

Seriously...if you get the kit the instruction are much more clear and concise than I...

Good Luck Todd

 

[login]

how can I tell if i have a network card

Start-> Settings-> Control Panel-> Networks

If you see any components with "Ethernet" in them, you have a network card.

They aren't standard equipment, but some come with them.

BTW, standard network cables won't work to connect two machines directly. You'll need a "null ethernet" or "crossover" cable.

It's probably easier to put the hard drive from one machine into the other temporarily. Don't forget to switch the Master/Slave jumpers on the hard drive you're moving. That's definitely the fastest way to transfer files between the two drives.

 

[Bob Peale]

Whoa Nelly!

Let's not overcomplicate this, huh?

If they are Win9x machines, all you need to do is make sure Direct Cable Connect is enabled (check Start > Programs > Accessories> Communications). If not, you can go to Add/Remove Programs, select the Windows Setup )( I think - don't have a 9x machine around here just now), and under Communications look at the choices (the Windows Help file can walk you through this).

Once you have it set up, you designate one machine the host and one the guest. You need a cable to connect the parallel ports (wheer the printer plugs in) on each machine, but any electronics store should be able to tell you what cord to buy.

then you can share drives on machines and transfer at will.

 

[u2slow13]

as long as you have network cards and tcp/ip loaded, get a cross over cable and share the drives..oops, don't forget to assign ip addy's

 

[login]

Let's not overcomplicate this, huh?

That IS simpler to set up, but if you're transferring a lot of data, it's gonna take a looooonnnggg time.

 

[Kymberley]

Bob is Right Folks

Whoa Nelly!

Let's not overcomplicate this, huh?

If they are Win9x machines, all you need to do is make sure Direct Cable Connect is enabled (check Start > Programs > Accessories> Communications). If not, you can go to Add/Remove Programs, select the Windows Setup )( I think - don't have a 9x machine around here just now), and under Communications look at the choices (the Windows Help file can walk you through this).

Once you have it set up, you designate one machine the host and one the guest. You need a cable to connect the parallel ports (wheer the printer plugs in) on each machine, but any electronics store should be able to tell you what cord to buy.

then you can share drives on machines and transfer at will.

I just did exactly what he is recommending a week ago. I moved all the files over and it took me just a matter of minutes to connect it all together.

 

[u2slow13]

smart ass

 

[Bob Peale]

That IS simpler to set up, but if you're transferring a lot of data, it's gonna take a looooonnnggg time.

I agree whole heartedly.

But I've heard way too many "Ewww...was it supposed to do that?" statements to let the uninitiated start messing with IP addresses, or God forbid opening the case to installa card!

 

[login]

LOL! You should try working in tech support for a while. You definitely have the right attitude. Of course, the attitude would soon change to something between disgruntled postal worker and pit bull with a tooth ache.

 

[Bob Peale]

LOL! You should try working in tech support for a while. You definitely have the right attitude. Of course, the attitude would soon change to something between disgruntled postal worker and pit bull with a tooth ache.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and wiped up poo with it!

But it sure as hell prepared me to deal with babies!

 

[miles]

You guys don't know shit about computers

All you need is a fucking roll of duct tape.

 

[Bob Peale]

Re: You guys don't know shit about computers

All you need is a fucking roll of duct tape.

Well hell, if you're going to get technical, a little elmers and some gauze will do it too!

 

[Draco]

Well, from what I know, you can either network them together with network cards and cables, or rake the HD from one PC and install it as a slave into the other temporarily. Never networked with mine, but I have installed tandem drives. It's a bit of a pain in the ass, but not too bad.

Thats my baby.....that is by far the easiest and most cost effective...most HDD's have the jumper assignments for MASTER/SLAVE printed on the case (of the HDD).

Set the one you PUT IN to SLAVE...your BIOS will detect the new drive and assign the drive letters....

You can do it with network cards/hubs/cables but if you are a novice TCP/IP installation will be difficult.

Heres the CORRECT IP Numbers for TCP/IP

IP Number: 192.168.0.XX (XX can be anything between 0-255)
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 (MUST be this number)
NOTE. The IP numbers must have different suffixs for each PC
Best way to go is 192.168.0.01 for first PC and
192.168.0.02 for second PC.
In the Indentification Tab..give each PC a network name and
inthe Network box type "Workgroup" (without quotes)

Make sure you enable File & Printer Sharing.
You'll need your Windows 98 CD for the applicable files to be copied.

Have to disagree with you Thumper
IPX/SPX is not the protocol to use
TCP/IP is far better.

No wonder you were cursing/swearing/throwing screwdrivers at walls.

Direct Cable Connection will work..if you got lots of time.
The Com ports it runs thru only transfer data at 9600bps...way to slow for efficient datta transfer.

Easiest way by far is go to your local PC shop and ask then to connect them for you...it'll cost a few dollars but worth it.

Most reputable PC shops offer a CD-Rom burning service. drop off your PC (or HDD) in the morning and pick it up later in the day with your new CD.

If you want a full step by step tutorial on TCP/IP networking
PM me....I dont bite..much...

DRACO.

 

[Thumper]

Draco

TCP/IP is the one for internet isn't it?

It always seems to install by default. I add IPX/SPX and NetBui also. The Card mfg instructions said to make sure it (IPX/SPX) was on there. Something about certain applications and games I think.

Your instructions were more complete and concise...the throwing tools came about because of a faulty LAN card...and trying to install it over and over again

 

[SweetCherry]

Hi Thumper....

TCP/IP works for both Home Networks AND Internet.
IPX/SPX is an older style protocol that was used for Games like Doom/Duke3d etc..still has its place but nowhere as fast or efficent as TCP/IP.

I can thoroughly relate to the "throwing the tools" when it comes to faulty hardware tho.

All the Best
DRACO....

 

[Draco]

OH thats SOOOO Embarrasssing.

I was logged in as SweetCherry to check her submissions and votes on her latest story (with her permission of course).

I decided to close IE and reopen it and come back into the boards to answer your question.
Thats why the reply came from SweetCherry but with the DRACO tag-line.

Spot who the PRIZE GEEK is today...lol

GODDAM cookies..!!!

 

[Unclebill]

Hi Thumper....

TCP/IP works for both Home Networks AND Internet.
IPX/SPX is an older style protocol that was used for Games like Doom/Duke3d etc..still has its place but nowhere as fast or efficent as TCP/IP.

I can thoroughly relate to the "throwing the tools" when it comes to faulty hardware tho.

All the Best
DRACO....

For a setup to do simple file sharing, NetBEUI is the only protocol needed and it is the simplest to install.

IPX/SPX is only needed if there is a requirement to communicate with a Novell NetWare server.

TCP/IP is Transfer Control/Internetwork Protocol which works quite well on Ethernet LAN's and others as well as being REQUIRED for Internet communication. The disadvantage is that it is a bit more complex to set up and it is critical to keep your IP address assignments straight.

Duplicates can cause some interesting headaches. And that fourth dotted decimal value should be in the range 1-254. The 0 and 255 addresses are reserved values.

About the cheapest, simplest way, though, is with a program from a few years back called LapLink. If you can find it, load a copy on each computer and connect the serial ports with a null modem cable. Set the COM: port parameters to the same values on both computers and you can transfer files both ways. You can control the transfer from either computer also.

 

[Draco]

Laplink/Direct Cable Connection/DOS 6.22 Interlink/Interserver programmes are all too slow for modern file sharing.
They run at the speed of the COM port..which by default is 9600 bps

Windows Networking cannot be run on NetBeui alone...it has to have the TCP/IP or SPX/IPX protocol to do it.

I expalined it earlier for NOVICE users to get a handle on UncleBill
not techy types like you and I...

 

[Weird Harold]

They run at the speed of the COM port..which by default is 9600 bps

This is why I suggested using Hyperterm or Rapidcomm. Either will set the com port to 115,200 BPS with hardware flow control to match the modem's connect speed.

Both programs transfer files with the ZModem protocol which produces a throughput rate about 120%-150% of the modem's connect speed through data compression. ZModem also allows resumption of a file transfer if the connection is broken so you don't have to send the first 10Mb again if it crashes with 99.9% of a file transfered.

File transfers with ZModem are about 20% faster than uploading the same file to the internet via e-mail or ICQ.

 

[Draco]

Thanks Harold...i'm gonna take a serious look at that
Is Rapidcomm available as a download....
I know Hyperterminal is a windows feature.

Any info about Rapidcomm would be helpful.

Regards
Draco.

See..its true...we techys dont know everything..we just pretend we do...LOL

 

[Weird Harold]

Any info about Rapidcomm would be helpful.

Rapidcomm came with my 3COM/USR modem. I don't know if it's available via download or not.

Another useful program that came with my modem is ModemMGR which gives me a graphic display of every byte coming in or going out. The constant realtime information tells me a lot about what's going on with various pages as they download. (It's also one source of information on the transfer rates with ZModem, although the ZModem log files are easier to analyze.)

Both Hyperterm and Rapidcomm are good telnet terminal programs as well as being good for direct file transfers.