tee hee

[HisArpy]

I have long advocated that urban areas select their worst neighborhood on a regular basis, buy out those they must, evict the others and raze the whole area and auction off the land for development. This forces the wards of the Democrat Party into better neighborhoods and schools. Too many people just settle for the condition they live in, so we have to not throw money and rhetoric at that condition but eliminate that condition.

I can hear the hew and cry already if anyone actually tried doing that.

This was already done, if not for this exact purpose.

Years ago, the State of Hawaii condemned and purchased land from the owners and then gave that land to native Hawaiians.

The premise was that native Hawaiians weren't the majority landowner in their own islands and were basically living in poverty. The land exchange was an attempt to fix that and then lift them up.

It didn't work. The natives just sold the land again.

 

[cleaver]

I get the impression that cleave is suggesting the repubs are behind it. An interesting notion but I tend to reject it. The subject has bubbled up with regularity in recent years. 1999, 2003, 2007, and now in 2019. (I assume we heard nothing in 2015 because everyone knew HRC was going to win.)

You are right about the tactic keeping the ignorant among them on the plantation. I keep thinking that surely they know it's never going to happen and realize they're being played. And then I wonder exactly how many pull the 'D' lever in the anticipation of actually getting another check? Are they really that stupid?

you don't get it.
and the gullibility of the current media is right there with you.
you must really like that!

nothing in the current politics is prima facie.
is that not plainly clear?

i hate cat memes, but...
imagine a cat chasing a laser pointer dot.

reparations is a no win
and the democrats must eviscerate themselves
and each other
to fumble through any answer
that does not piss off a voting bloc dreaming of some ...
elusive gold ring.

i was about to use a b'rer rabbit allusion, but...
really a bit gauche here.

if not a planted land mine - which i doubt - there will be plenty of others.

this post-republican trump party is well adept at what it does
in tossing mentos into other people's diet coke...

ratings, baby!
look at the stupid noises all of them make.

i'm amazed that no one takes a breath
before reacting to any flash fire these days...

triggered?

our entire populace is strangely on the wire.
it's something that tacitly, our country should...
buffer us against - as cultural strength and inertia...

and yet, today...
everyone is tired of... yet pavlov'ed for
...a flash mob pist-fight.

societal cancer.

break society - then take society.

yeah.
now lets vigilante someone to blame.

that's where the points are scored, right?

* SPOILER * ============================

you have been just as duped as the democrats...

* SPOILER * ============================

i'll vote for reasonableness in the next cycle.
my party exists only in fading vapour trails.

 

[bellisarius]

Stop being so obtuse cleaver.

The only people being duped by this particular charade are those that actually think there's a chance.

As far as society being broken, you're right. US society hasn't been this polarized since the 1850's and we all know where that led.

Trump has proven to be far shrewder than he's being given credit for. And the dems are more hysterical than I've ever seen them. Trump still has some arrows in his quiver and the dems keep picking up the arrows they shot before and try shooting them again, and again, and again.

I fully understand the dems hysteria, they're about to lose the one resource they could count on in the past.................the courts. And in that respect they did it to themselves. It was Harry Reid that made the 'nuclear option' possible. Then this whole impeachment charade. They don't dare do anything before the election beyond make life miserable for Trump. And that in turn is pissing people off as well. I don't think they quite understand the illegal immigration bomb they run around trying to pretend doesn't exist. Add to that the fact that their vitriolic rhetoric prohibits them from giving Trump even the impression of a win thereby putting the moderates that were elected in 2018 in jeopardy.

Just an opinion on my part but I think they should have given Trump a 'win' on the illegal problem right of the bat and then engaged in their current behavior. Trump would certainly claim the win but it in giving him that win early they would have deprived him of one of his central issues. The public's memory is short and the attitude is, "What have you done for us lately?" I think the dems have made a huge error there.

 

[Luk]

Stop being so obtuse cleaver.

The only people being duped by this particular charade are those that actually think there's a chance.

As far as society being broken, you're right. US society hasn't been this polarized since the 1850's and we all know where that led.

Trump has proven to be far shrewder than he's being given credit for. And the dems are more hysterical than I've ever seen them. Trump still has some arrows in his quiver and the dems keep picking up the arrows they shot before and try shooting them again, and again, and again.

I fully understand the dems hysteria, they're about to lose the one resource they could count on in the past.................the courts. And in that respect they did it to themselves. It was Harry Reid that made the 'nuclear option' possible. Then this whole impeachment charade. They don't dare do anything before the election beyond make life miserable for Trump. And that in turn is pissing people off as well. I don't think they quite understand the illegal immigration bomb they run around trying to pretend doesn't exist. Add to that the fact that their vitriolic rhetoric prohibits them from giving Trump even the impression of a win thereby putting the moderates that were elected in 2018 in jeopardy.

Just an opinion on my part but I think they should have given Trump a 'win' on the illegal problem right of the bat and then engaged in their current behavior. Trump would certainly claim the win but it in giving him that win early they would have deprived him of one of his central issues. The public's memory is short and the attitude is, "What have you done for us lately?" I think the dems have made a huge error there.

The above is the exact opposite of reality. Not even close to being correct.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Stop being so obtuse cleaver.

The only people being duped by this particular charade are those that actually think there's a chance.

As far as society being broken, you're right. US society hasn't been this polarized since the 1850's and we all know where that led.

Trump has proven to be far shrewder than he's being given credit for. And the dems are more hysterical than I've ever seen them. Trump still has some arrows in his quiver and the dems keep picking up the arrows they shot before and try shooting them again, and again, and again.

I fully understand the dems hysteria, they're about to lose the one resource they could count on in the past.................the courts. And in that respect they did it to themselves. It was Harry Reid that made the 'nuclear option' possible. Then this whole impeachment charade. They don't dare do anything before the election beyond make life miserable for Trump. And that in turn is pissing people off as well. I don't think they quite understand the illegal immigration bomb they run around trying to pretend doesn't exist. Add to that the fact that their vitriolic rhetoric prohibits them from giving Trump even the impression of a win thereby putting the moderates that were elected in 2018 in jeopardy.

Just an opinion on my part but I think they should have given Trump a 'win' on the illegal problem right of the bat and then engaged in their current behavior. Trump would certainly claim the win but it in giving him that win early they would have deprived him of one of his central issues. The public's memory is short and the attitude is, "What have you done for us lately?" I think the dems have made a huge error there.

How's the boxed wine this evening, drunky?

 

[InsightRiot]

The above is the exact opposite of reality. Not even close to being correct.

How about you talk about your opinions. Perhaps you will make others who agree with him look at it in another way, and gain more perspective?

 

[silver gurl]

How about we all agree that the Dems suck and so does Donald.

 

[cleaver]

i'm not being obtuse.
i'm simply showing you where you have been duped as much,
if not more than the ones who shrilly, hysterically point and scream
"bullshit"

because you actually believe that the president has your interests at heart.

you're just on one side of demographics culled for ratings.

there is no real cohesive policy.
nothing constructive to believe in.
no vision of a future offered.

it really does distill down to:
trump
promoting
trump.

immigration, race, tribalism
they all cut in definitive ways
if deftly fanned and triggered.

hug a flag while doing so?

don't have to believe in shit?
just have to hate shit.
it's baser and easier...
where do i sign up?

the immigration issue is a real one, no doubt.
but... to demonize the illegals
instead of finding an actual set of solutions to the
difficult and intricate issues that impel them
is...
callous demagoguery.

build a wall?
really? a fucking wall?
you bought that?
with all the other imbeciles?

the fucking peons can't vote.
they're swarthy.
they're an infestation.
simple thing to demonize them...

round 'em up.
break 'em up.
put 'em in "summer" camps...
before deporting them en masse...

it's not like they own banks
or run media...
or have any real social access...

shit's easier and less... fraught
these days...

...and it plays to a cultivated and demographed voting bloc.

'we're building a wall - and the little fuckers are gonna pay for it themselves?'
no cost at all...

you still buying that shit?
as a solution?

sucker.
you believe the horseshit.

your "enemies" are just as duped.
mad, not so much that he won,
but that there are so many in our country that actually believe the horseshit.
that's the most socially demoralizing thing;
it's infuriating...
beyond any sense of reason...

and he cultivates that infuriation
by calling them names,
blocking their inquiries,
and tweeting tasty infuriating nuggets of nothingness
that has them chasing laser dots
and looking foolish; amongst other parlor tricks.

no one is calm
and...
no one has the patience any longer
to look behind the fucking curtain.
for if they do, all available apparatus of government
is now invoked to enjoin, and then eviscerate them...

the last parts seem... vaguely familiar

tee hee.

so...

joe biden says he worked with deplorables in the past
to get governance done.
corey booker tries to line up a (circular) firing squad ( to get someone/anyone to notice him)
toss in some resurrected talk of paying off descendants of slavery
and you get a toni home permanent of a political distraction
with news vans and pundits in the front row.
oh! and they're all "traitors" and "socialists"...
clearly anti american...

that's this news cycle...

meanwhile,
the cinc goes all failsafe on iran
and then, in the last act...just after the last commercial break
recalls the bombers...

tweeting all the while..."cocked and loaded"
tough guy with toys...
uhhhh, toys?

no harm.
no foul.
tv dinner tender mercy offered
by tweet...
served up like... some... fucking game of...
aren't i a wise president.

what the actual fuck?

tee hee.

we've got 70 some odd weeks until the election...
plenty of thea-tricks yet to come...
deadly serious entertainment...

reparations:
it has always been a win-less pander;
political hemlock...
yet the stupid fuckers jumped right in.
laser, kitty?

i posited that the president
may have piped the idea into the discourse
because it so resembles what he is most capable of inciting
and
if one were to look up political dirty tricks,
a reparations turd in the democrat's punchbowl
would be the perfect illustration...

look.
it may be that the trumpublicans didn't light the fuse,
but... it
or something like it...
simple, destructive, divisive and distracting
is the stock and trade.
and the campaign is just starting...

tee hee.

nothing new, really.
chuck colsen and donald segretti --- mere amateurs.

the bag of tricks now includes instant and social media
as well as an entire cable news network.

and the front man plays the cow-eyed crowd like a stradivarious.

can you honestly look in the mirror and tell yourself
that you are proud of this president?
that he is honest? earnest?
that he's there for you?
represents anything other than his own reflection in a mirror?

tee hee.

you are duped because you actually believe the con man
knowing full well, deep down...
that he's rolling you
just as much as he is everyone else.

tee hee.

the debris that falls as he plows a deeper cleft in this country
may now be favorable to you and your ideals,
but at what cost?

must half of the country be demonized
so that you can get yours?

hug that flag!
tell us who is a real american and who isn't.
be on the 'right side' for the win.

maybe he can wag some real dog before the election...
now that's a show of true cojones!

yeah.
it's all kind of amusing watching the r(h)ino
tear through the countryside...
drain the swamp...
stamp out the cockroaches...
til it's not...
when what's left is a more deeply divided country
with richer rich guys...

divide, cull... conquer.
it's now as ubiquitous and as clinically cold as the nielsens...
one nation, under siege.

you getting yours?

tee hee.

 

[bellisarius]

cleaver, I haven't believed that anyone has had my best interests at heart since my mother died and there were times I wasn't too sure about her.

 

[SpeareChucker]

This was already done, if not for this exact purpose.

Years ago, the State of Hawaii condemned and purchased land from the owners and then gave that land to native Hawaiians.

The premise was that native Hawaiians weren't the majority landowner in their own islands and were basically living in poverty. The land exchange was an attempt to fix that and then lift them up.

It didn't work. The natives just sold the land again.

President O might say, Asian South African policies...


~~~ sweet! ~~~

 

[SpeareChucker]

How about you talk about your opinions. Perhaps you will make others who agree with him look at it in another way, and gain more perspective?

Because his opinion might make him look stupid
or force him to defend a contention.
That requires thought...

<implication>

 

[SpeareChucker]

How about we all agree that the Dems suck and so does Donald.

If we stipulate to this, can we debate the causal drivers of said condition?

 

[SpeareChucker]

cleaver, I haven't believed that anyone has had my best interests at heart since my mother died and there were times I wasn't too sure about her.

Pretty certain that Chan would avoid our strikes, but not sure he would warn mother...

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress [paraphrase]

 

[cleaver]

cleaver, I haven't believed that anyone has had my best interests at heart since my mother died and there were times I wasn't too sure about her.

pardon the prior rant,
but we are smarter than all this...

somehow though... this country is...mollified (?)
to its most basic instincts
and instead of leading us from this least constructive state,
this president's administration doubles down on it.

we are too smart
and too fortunate a nation
to squander our fortune
in an opportunistically fueled social civil war...

the politics are broken.
the leadership is lacking.
comity is non-existent.
and the populace is coerced by divisiveness into withdrawal to the "me".
(perhaps the vaunted 'me' generation actually coming into it's economic own?)

so... you grab for yours
i grab for mine
and various disaffected
stake angry claim on
what they do not have,
and which they cannot, under the current circumstances, achieve...

reparations - at this point in our history
is nothing but an inceptionally faulted redistribution ruse
that neither erases the history
nor corrects the structural disparities
that effect the opportunities of those in it's intended umbra.

and...
have we not been attempting reparation - in kind
for several generations now;
with a myriad of targeted but tangled social programs
that become bureaucratic spin cycles
rife with corruption
that...
incentivize not upward mobility
but... a further hustle of the oft-corrupted system?

talk about a..."road to hell".

there are no easy answers,
but can we at least agree that
generations of slavery's descendants
have been structurally and socially disadvantaged?
and that the structural and social disparity
has been further dis-served
by simply throwing targeted monies at the 'problem'?

some answer that the best solution is to cut the programs;
expose the "welfare cheats",
stop incentivizing childbirth as a further claim on the pool,
make the people swim, now... bootstrap up!

but, i would argue that there is an obligation now,
not to a class as descendants
but more contemporaneously
as a class structurally and socially disadvantaged
by the very programs that... for more recent generations
have been imposed upon them
and so drastically failed them.

pat moynihan foretold of much of this in his landmark 1965 report...
betty lou valentine reported on it directly from the belly of the beast
in the mid 70's...
and yet...?

we double down on disparity,
demonize those not "us",
and taunt at a very real civil insurrection;
buttressing our self interests
and erecting walls.

an answer - not a new one,
but one that needs our full attentions and dedication
is:

universal education through college or technical college...

yes. a massive social outlay

on a scale larger than the 60's project apollo
and politicized with the same national fervor.

a national goal
offering (almost) immediate (within a generation) equal opportunity
as well as benefiting all citizens
with a reboot of a system that has faltered
in world rankings since..... hmmmmm?
since the rest of the 1st world had to reboot theirs
from the various rubbles of ww2.

oh... but the states provide "free education" already...

need me to rehash the bureaucratic disaster alluded to
in the "social welfare" argument above?
or dredge the generation of post brown schemes
to hamper it's intent - or the local bussing skirmishes that lasted well into the 80's?

education more than any direct handout
is forward reaching,
all encompassing,
universally (nationally) beneficial,
and a most prudent investment.

oh. i know... it's "socialism"!!!
but i'd counter that it is just as socialist as infrastructure.
it is infrastructure, really... isn't it?

or... oh! it can't work... it's a bureaucratic quagmire...
perhaps, if we go by the schematics of the old patchwork mess;
a thousand cuts of micro management and subjective 'targeting'...



(*trigger warning --- go to safe space*)

liz warren.... 'bless her heart' ( and now grumpy parlor pink, bernie) - are at least in the right ballpark on this.
the student loan reparations scheme is as economically disingenuous
as the descendants one... ( construed as a political pander-ball)
still... it is about education as opportunity...
and investment
and a forward looking solution to a major aspect of disparity.
and... in a very real sense, $16B of outstanding student loan debt is - as jamie diman avows - 'a disgrace'

make a revamp of education a national goal.
with a solid, simple 20 year plan.
minimally tweaked along the way.

and land the fucker!

my argument with the "liberals"/libertarians
has been that we do not start on an even playing field
(the existance of which - at the heart - is implied, but in self interest, not acknowledged by our current crop - in their philosophy).
with equal opportunity,
a fair market of ideas
and a fair democratic economic market
have the greatest opportunities to flourish.

and with such a process, as the latest generations demonstrate,
the latent racisms, sexisms, genderisms etc... of the past
that irrefutably hamper us,
eventually homogenize out - mostly through 'exposures' in public education.

our kids do not see... "differences" the way we did...
our kids see no need to be... "pure" anything - except... people
and good citizens;
unless... 'nurtured' otherwise.

as a political "program", of course,
the devil is in the details.
so, keep it simple, stupid.
and make it a national goal, not a political soccer ball.
as to issues of "federalism" in this,
let the various 'incubators' that work
inform how we address the mississippis, new mexicos, nevadas and louisianas.

let's double down on a revamp of publicly available quality education?

let "reparations" pay forward
as a social imperative
through a concerted project
to revamp and provide
the top-notch education
we once could and did provide
without the socially and economically crippling debt
it now incurs.

that's your 'bootstrap up'
providing the most basic and
best performing investment
we as a society can make.

it is so simple to tee hee at one another,
score our daily 'win'
and laud our shit brained records
as we make glib commentary
on the 'events' of the day...

but, we are in an election cycle...
an opportunity to effect the future of our country...
ostensibly for all of it, not just our affinity groups.

look forward - with a big idea or two.

 

[Rightguide]

Just wondering if you people have noticed that the subject of reparations ONLY comes up when the Democrats are out of power? Gotta keep those stupid darkies vote'n democrat ya know.

It's nothing more than a scam, that's what it's always been.

Manipulating the black demographic on their plantation is SOP in American Democrat politics.

 

[cleaver]

Manipulating the black demographic on their plantation is SOP in American Democrat politics.

just the democrats, right?