Teaching Your Children That The Have No Property Rights

Todd-'o'-Vision

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Freedom has several indispensable ingredients. You cannot truly be free unless you have the freedom to speak, the freedom to worship and the freedom to participate in the election of your leaders. Another essential aspect to freedom --- property rights. You cannot be free if you are denied the fruits of your labors. You cannot be free if your property is subject to government confiscation on a whim.

In about one week you, along with tens of millions of your fellow Americans, will take the most precious thing in your life, your child, and you will turn that child over to the Imperial Federal Government of the United States to be educated. Well, “educated” may be the word you use. “Indoctrinated” would be more accurate.

In many – and the number is growing every year – of these schools the very first lesson your child is going to learn on the very first day is that they have no property rights.

Here’s the scenario:

In the weeks before school you and your rug rat have been roaming the halls of your local discount store. That list in your hand is the list of school supplies your child is supposed to have on that magical first day of school. You can remember these days, can’t you? You can remember going shopping with your Mom – and coming home with your pencils, erasers, glue, paste, construction paper, notebooks, protractors --- the works.

When you got home from the store you set all of the supplies out on your bed or the dining room table. You would arrange them, sort them, rearrange them, pack them in your book bag, unpack them, arrange them again, and pack them again. They were YOUR school supplies. You and your Mommy went out and bought them and they are YOURS.

So, along comes the first day of school. You packed your supplies for the last time and headed off to be educated.

That was then – this is now. Now everything is pretty much the same right up until the time the bell rings. Your child shopped with you the same way you did with your mom. After the bell rings, though, everything changes.

In many schools --- I know, not all --- but in a growing number of schools the government agent we call a “teacher” will announce to every child in the class that they are to march to the front of the room and place all of their supplies; their rulers, pencils, crayons, notebooks …. ALL of their supplies in a big box. The teacher will announce that these supplies now belong to ALL of the students and will be made available to all students as needs arise. Your child will be told that there are some students in the class who’s parents couldn’t afford all of the items on the list, and this just isn’t fair. To make things fair we’ll all just share.

In one stroke – one edict from the NEA agent at the front of the class – the concept of property rights is trashed --- gone. When your child left home that morning those supplies were his or her private property. By the end of the first class the concept of private property was set aside --- private property becomes community property – all in the interest of “fairness.”

The leftists who set the policies for our government indoctrination centers know what you may not. These children are at a developmental age when ideas to which they are exposed can easily become a part of firmly held dogma. If their teacher – their authority figure – tells them that there is something wrong with them having personal property that someone else might not have, it is taken to heart. Without strong counter-programming from some other authority figure – the parent, for instance – this prejudice against the idea of private property, and the desire for an egalitarian society, becomes part of that child’s makeup.

Another little government myrmidon in training.

This will happen in just the first day of your child’s leftist indoctrination. Rest comfortably, though. Maybe someday you’ll be able to sport one of those “My Child is an Honor Student at the Myrmidon Elementary School.” How proud you must be.

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Todd-'o'-Vision said:
In many schools --- I know, not all --- but in a growing number of schools the government agent we call a �teacher� will announce to every child in the class that they are to march to the front of the room and place all of their supplies; their rulers, pencils, crayons, notebooks �. ALL of their supplies in a big box. The teacher will announce that these supplies now belong to ALL of the students and will be made available to all students as needs arise. Your child will be told that there are some students in the class who�s parents couldn�t afford all of the items on the list, and this just isn�t fair. To make things fair we�ll all just share.
This is why my child's name/initials are carved/written onto everything which goes with him to school. Our schools even request this, so apparently the NEA hasn't gotten to them yet.

Of course, my oldest will be starting Kindergarten at one of those elitst, state-run admission-only schools, and we all know how "fair" testing is.
 
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Todd, I'm going to have to add you to my compliments list for being able to find, copy, and paste the most insanely biased shit on the planet. Oh, and for hating the US in a much quieter way than PP.

My oldest will start kindergarten in a few weeks. She can't wait. We've bought school supplies, and everything has her name on it. It'll go in her desk, and it will be hers. If she runs out of something, it will be her job to tell me so that it can be replaced. Rights and responsibility, strange concept, I know.

We also bought two extra of everything on the list. I'll be taking it to school during the kindergarten round up and giving it to the teacher. Hopefully, that will ensure no one does without. My daughter loved this idea.

Our district has a program that they offer to all parents, not just low income ones. For $10, paid at enrollment, they will purchase all the required supplies and have them waiting in your child's desk when they arrive on the first day of school.

All of that said, I don't see what is so wrong with teaching kids that some kids aren't going to have everything they need, so we sometimes need to share.

Should I stop taking outgrown clothing and toys to the second hand store, and dropping duplicate christmas toys off at the shelters?
 
Our schools only put tissues and paper towels into the "communal box". Pencils, paper, pens, notebooks, etc remain as private property.
 
LovetoGiveRoses said:
Our schools only put tissues and paper towels into the "communal box". Pencils, paper, pens, notebooks, etc remain as private property.


same here.
 
Well, we do not have property rights. The government maintains a permanent lien on your property called the property tax...
 
If they are to be properly raised for a liberal-socialist system, then they SHOULD learn the value system early...
 
pagancowgirl said:
All of that said, I don't see what is so wrong with teaching kids that some kids aren't going to have everything they need, so we sometimes need to share.
Need to share? Yes. Forced to share? Never!

Todd, I have never heard of this policy you posted - where is your evidence that it exists anywhere in the US - much less that it exists everywhere in the US?
 
STG:

Take this with a grain of salt since it's a foaf story.

A guy I used to work with was bitching about this. How the school he sends his tykes to were using this the stuff you buy yourself for your own use is now "class property" thing as well.

I remember when the school itself had it's own supplies for kids to use whose family couldn't afford to buy all of them.
 
Unfair attack on teachers and public schools

As someone who was training to be a high school teacher I'm now officially pissed. Where on earth did you get that bullshit? Taking your kids stuff? Where the fuck do you live?

"government agent of the nea?" what the hell are you trying to say? Yes, teachers belong to unions...you have to, whether you want to or not. But most teachers are there because they love children, not because they want to propagate some bullshit agenda.

Ok, there is a bullshit agenda...the reason that I'm no longer teaching high school and have moved onto the much more radical halls of higher education. However, taking your childs school supplies isn't part of that bullshit agenda. Indoctrinating a specific version of US History, yes. Stealing the kids crayons, no.

I love how any idiot thinks they can teach. It's a profession...a skill set. And trust me, teaching between 30 and 120 students a day takes more paitence than most people can muster. You have organize, deal with lack of funding, testing, and other obnoxious obstacles and impart not only your subject matter, but act as a mentor, a guide and a role model. Something like over half of all people who misguidedly think they can do it and don't get proper training burn out within 5 years. You tell me it's not a high stress job. Most teachers have a second job during the school year and work two or three over the summer (so much for free summers) and the average teacher spends several hundred dollars of their own money to buy things for the students and the classroom. Not to mention their day doesn't end when the bell rings...you stay up and plan the next days lesson, correct all that homework, and a million other things as well.

so Todd....you can just fuck off and home school your little right wingers in the making, enroll them in some private school that teaches what you think, or shut up and respect the underpaid and overworked public school teachers. They deserve respect, not mockery, in any form...not for jest, not in seriousness. Luckily for you it's a free country and you can say what you want...who taught you about freedom of speech though, I wonder? Could it have been a teacher?
 
Re: Unfair attack on teachers and public schools

deliciously_naughty said:
"government agent of the nea?" what the hell are you trying to say? Yes, teachers belong to unions...you have to, whether you want to or not.
And more's the pity.
 
damn todd, you pissed her off I think!

however ms. naughty, not all that home school are raising little right wingers. I am considering pulling my soon to be first grader out in a year or so for the very reasons you stated. I am neither right or left I just feel the teachers today do not do a good enough job because their hands are tried. That in no way was a slam against the abilities they have, it was more a statement to the lack of support they get in the way of funding.

However, the NEA needs to be disbanded.
 
brokenbrainwave said:
However, the NEA needs to be disbanded.
Tut, tut. It should be sufficient to simply repeal closed shop laws, and then let individual teachers decide to join or not. Unions are still lawful, after all.
 
brokenbrainwave said:
damn todd, you pissed her off I think!

however ms. naughty, not all that home school are raising little right wingers. I am considering pulling my soon to be first grader out in a year or so for the very reasons you stated. I am neither right or left I just feel the teachers today do not do a good enough job because their hands are tried. That in no way was a slam against the abilities they have, it was more a statement to the lack of support they get in the way of funding.

However, the NEA needs to be disbanded.

True...but the majority of all students homeschooled today are homeschooled for religious reasons, generally conservative christian ones. That was my temper getting the better of me. I actually was homeschooled my junior year of high school b/c we moved to another state and the schools were too far behind and they wouldn't let me skip a grade.

I don't know...the nea has accomplished a lot of good...they're just a little militant about it.

Having just lost a job that was my first union job ever, i can honestly say I don't ever want to have anything to do with one ever again. There were all kinds of stupid rules and regulations that made absolutely no sense. The only good thing was that it was generally free health care...of course I found that the doctors were second rate, but I suppose you get what you pay for.
 
binkley said:

Tut, tut. It should be sufficient to simply repeal closed shop laws, and then let individual teachers decide to join or not. Unions are still lawful, after all.
that is my issue with the NEA. The teachers are essentially forced to join. This union is no better than the mafia.
 
The NEA isn't the only teachers union broken...don't blame them for something they didn't create. There's also the aft (american federation of teachers) and various state unions. The people who join the NEA just tend to be the most radical when it comes to philosophy of education reform.
 
deliciously_naughty said:


True...but the majority of all students homeschooled today are homeschooled for religious reasons, generally conservative christian ones.
that I do agree with 100%, but then again, you mentioned freedom of speech earlier did you not? Are the parents that choice this option not merely excersicing this right they have?

oh and sorry about the job loss, that can suck
 
deliciously_naughty said:
The NEA isn't the only teachers union broken...don't blame them for something they didn't create. There's also the aft (american federation of teachers) and various state unions. The people who join the NEA just tend to be the most radical when it comes to philosophy of education reform.
I know about some of the ones, however around here, its pretty much just NEA. Its rather like forced busing, they are the only ride in town
 
Tyrael said:
STG:

Take this with a grain of salt since it's a foaf story.

A guy I used to work with was bitching about this. How the school he sends his tykes to were using this the stuff you buy yourself for your own use is now "class property" thing as well.

I remember when the school itself had it's own supplies for kids to use whose family couldn't afford to buy all of them.
If the anecdote is true then I would think a simple protest from a parent to the school admin could undermine the policy. The threat of a lawsuit and the ensuing publicity could back up the protest.

Either way, even if true, it sounds like it is an isolated thing - not a good thing, but hardly what might be intrepreted from Todd's post.

Todd, you would gain more credibility with such threads if you adopted different a slightly different strategy; one a bit less strident, less filled with hyperbole, and not copy and pasted from some talk show website and totally lacking in any references to support its assertions. Do a little research, get the real story and write it up in your own words.
 
brokenbrainwave said:
that is my issue with the NEA. The teachers are essentially forced to join. This union is no better than the mafia.
Welcome to the world of unions. Texas is one of the few states with right to work laws, and so doesn't face closed shops. We still have unions: you don't need closed shop laws to ensure the existence of unions.
 
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brokenbrainwave said:
that I do agree with 100%, but then again, you mentioned freedom of speech earlier did you not? Are the parents that choice this option not merely excersicing this right they have?

oh and sorry about the job loss, that can suck

Thanks :) But overall, I think that losing this job was no great loss....and happily grad school starts soon.

I totally agree that parents have the right to teach their children whatever morality they want. However, I was apologizing for letting my temper get the better of me and using that as a weapon. I was also just pointing out a fact b/c someone said that not all homeschooled kids are schooled that way b/c of religion. Most are.
 
brokenbrainwave said:
I know about some of the ones, however around here, its pretty much just NEA. Its rather like forced busing, they are the only ride in town

I doubt they're the only union there...probably just the most powerful.
 
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