Teachers Want To Tell 9-11 Truths..Not The N.E.A...

Lost Cause

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Our taxes pay for the NEA and what they teach our kids, you get what you pay for. PC in action.


Teachers nationwide say they will develop lesson plans about September 11 based on students' questions and will focus on the facts to correct any misconceptions children may have about the terrorist attacks. Top Stories

Several teachers said they will tell the "truth" about the terrorists and their religious background, and will avoid the National Education Association curriculum that cites American intolerance as a reason for the attacks and cautions against assigning blame.

"I'm going to work with what my students give me," said Whitney Finn, a seventh-grade social studies teacher from Westport, Conn.
"I want to prepare them for the truth, and the only way to do that is to keep talking to them and making sure that they have the correct information about what happened that day."

James McGrath Morris, a 12th-grade social studies teacher from Springfield, said his lesson plan will try to explain why America was attacked by tracing the rivalry among the three Western religions with the most adherents — Islam, Judaism and Christianity — and noting that the terrorists were Muslim.

"These are all aspects of the facts," Mr. Morris said. "My lesson plans will not skirt the issues."

Educators and clinical psychologists said the worst thing teachers can do is "sugarcoat" the events of September 11.

"Honesty is important," said Robin Gurwitch, a clinical psychologist at the pediatrics department at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center.
The NEA, the country's largest teachers union, has drawn criticism from conservatives and other teachers unions who say its guidelines instruct teachers not to "suggest that any group is responsible" for the attacks and to take a blame-America approach.

They urge educators "to discuss historical instances of American intolerance" so that the American public avoids "repeating terrible mistakes."

"The American Federation of Teachers disagrees with the lesson plans found on the NEA Web site," said Janet Bass, a spokeswoman for the union. "The AFT does not support a blame-America approach in particular and wishes to distance itself from the entire document."

Compiled under the title "Remember September 11" and appearing on the NEA health-network Web site, the guidelines were developed by Brian Lippincott, who is affiliated with the Graduate School of Professional Psychology at John F. Kennedy University in California.

NEA officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment. However, they issued a press release yesterday praising the Web site that includes Mr. Lippincott's tips, which were taken from proposals solicited from teachers.

"This is a terribly difficult time for all Americans," NEA President Bob Chase said in the statement.

"The NEA joins with our fellow citizens to honor our heroes and our country on this day. We hope this Web site offers help in navigating the challenges teachers face in the classroom with addressing this sensitive topic. Our goal is to provide age-appropriate information for them to use as needed."

Although a variety of lesson plans has been developed over the past several months to help teachers cover September 11, many school districts are still trying to figure out how teachers should best commemorate September 11 and how to incorporate the attacks into a daily lesson plan.

School officials in Fairfax County will hold a training seminar, "Teaching in a Time of Terror: How Do We Respond?" on Aug. 29 for 700 middle and high school teachers. Officials in Prince William County are expected to meet today.

In Maryland, school officials in Montgomery County are discussing the matter with their social studies teachers.

Teachers should decide on their own how to describe the attacks, depending on the age of the students, but they need to set the facts straight, officials said.

"There's always a part of us that says if we bring it up, we're going to need to downplay it or sugarcoat it," Miss Gurwitch said. "By doing that we may create more problems if we don't address it. The truth is always good."

:D
 
I've never been a fan of being PC.

But hell, lets rewrite history so we don't have to tell our kids what really happned.

that's what I'm reading in this article anyway... Am I wrong?
 
I didn't read that too closely, i skimmed.

Teachers will teach what they believe is important to teach.

They will ignore the NEA, the state board, the local School Board, the Superintendent, the Principa, the Assistant Principal, and the Grade Level Chair.

Good teachers close their classroom doors and teach children. They don't worry about being PC or what the teacher next door is doing. They simply take the kids where they are and move them as far down the path of learning as they can.




Note: the NEA curriculum is about as useful a document as a Arctic Survival Guide would be in the desert. Each state (and most districts) have their own specified curricula and the teachers in that state/district are contractually bound to teach the state/district approved curriculum.
 
morninggirl5 said:
I didn't read that too closely, i skimmed.

Teachers will teach what they believe is important to teach.

They will ignore the NEA, the state board, the local School Board, the Superintendent, the Principa, the Assistant Principal, and the Grade Level Chair.

Good teachers close their classroom doors and teach children. They don't worry about being PC or what the teacher next door is doing. They simply take the kids where they are and move them as far down the path of learning as they can.




Note: the NEA curriculum is about as useful a document as a Arctic Survival Guide would be in the desert. Each state (and most districts) have their own specified curricula and the teachers in that state/district are contractually bound to teach the state/district approved curriculum.


I couldn't agree with you more.
I think the NEA has long been a relatively useless organization.

I teach middle and high school history and government. I will not be skirting the issues. Factual information will be used and I will address my student's questions as they arise. I hope I will choose my words and answers wisely. Sometimes being a teacher means so much more than it does at other times. This is one of those times.
 
Lost Cause said:
Our taxes pay for the NEA and what they teach our kids, you get what you pay for. PC in action.


The NEA, the country's largest teachers

I just noticed. Your tax dollars don't pay for the NEA. Teachers who pay dues to the NEA pay for the NEA.


Liability insurance is the only reason many teachers join a teachers' union. I checked and the premiums are twice as high through any other carrier.
 
I was always under the assumption that school districts suggests teacher curriculum, but it is still up to each individual teacher to interpret this curriculum. Otherwise, we could just have robots with no emotion or point of view to do the teaching.

That said, I think that some of the causes of 9-11 were religious intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and fantatics following without questioning. So why should our children and teachers exhibit those same behaviors? Teaching about the facts behind 9-11, whether it paints Islam, Al Qaieda, Saudi Arabia as bad or not, is the main thing that our teachers should concentrate on. It's not a racial or religious stereotype to say that certain factions of Islam hate us to the core.

Just leave out the general stereotypes and things will be fine. Hell, I think it would be fine if they used specific stereotypes.
 
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We do pay for the NEA...

Our taxes pay for the teachers through levys, and other education taxes. That money pays for the teachers, who pay the NEA. Why the NEA is allowed to exist anymore is a question I'd like answered, they seem like a waste of money and resources. :D
 
Re: We do pay for the NEA...

Lost Cause said:
Our taxes pay for the teachers through levys, and other education taxes. That money pays for the teachers, who pay the NEA. Why the NEA is allowed to exist anymore is a question I'd like answered, they seem like a waste of money and resources. :D


Your taxes pay the teachers' salaries. That's the end of your control over the money.

Once it goes into a teacher's paycheck, it's none of your damned business what the teacher chooses to do with it.
 
Oh.. for a while I thought I was gonna have to defend the National Endowment for the Arts. Carry on.
 
I am not developing any lesson plan. But we are gonna have an open and honest discussion about it I am sure.

And I will be open and honest in my opinions, totally warped as they may be.

At least I am not one of those teachers who professes that "God has ordained the United States....."

Yeah, we got plenty of them down here. And what's more, some of them are running the school system.

Idiots rule.
 
Bob_Bytchin said:
Teaching about the facts behind 9-11, whether it paints Islam, Al Qaieda, Saudi Arabia as bad or not, is the main thing that our teachers should concentrate on. It's not a racial or religious stereotype to say that certain factions of Islam hate us to the core.


Of course it's not. But then we have to go into why they hate us.
 
Re: We do pay for the NEA...

Lost Cause said:
Our taxes pay for the teachers through levys, and other education taxes. That money pays for the teachers, who pay the NEA. Why the NEA is allowed to exist anymore is a question I'd like answered, they seem like a waste of money and resources. :D
I have to agree with MG5 on this; what teachers do with their salaries is nobody else's business. As to why the NEA is allowed to exist, well it has something to do with Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Association.

I am no fan of the NEA, but I am no fan of where you are getting these articles from either - they are both biased. I noticed there was no link to the complete NEA "statement" - although the article did say where it could be found. I would prefer to read the statement in its entirety so I can understand it in context.
 
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morninggirl5 said:



Your taxes pay the teachers' salaries. That's the end of your control over the money.

Once it goes into a teacher's paycheck, it's none of your damned business what the teacher chooses to do with it.

Exactly.

My opinion is this guy has the right idea.

James McGrath Morris, a 12th-grade social studies teacher from Springfield, said his lesson plan will try to explain why America was attacked by tracing the rivalry among the three Western religions with the most adherents — Islam, Judaism and Christianity — and noting that the terrorists were Muslim.

Nixon' primary theory on the NWO said just as much, the Crusades(east vs west) will revive, it just a matter of how long we can delay it. 30years DICK, at least it was a good run.

I think kids need to know there is no quick fix shoot 'em up answer, there are fundamental schisms between the three that will go on and on.
 
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What I want to know is:


Does anyone believe in phenomenology?
Critical thinking?

If there is anything lacking in students, I find it to be the SKILL of thinking critically.

Part of that means that we include our own biases and prejudices into the phenom we are looking at.

Like the Schroedinger's Cat thing.
 
Originally posted by 70/30

James McGrath Morris, a 12th-grade social studies teacher from Springfield, said his lesson plan will try to explain why America was attacked by tracing the rivalry among the three Western religions with the most adherents — Islam, Judaism and Christianity — and noting that the terrorists were Muslim.

Adding the facts that most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia, and how Saudi Arabia has been less than forthcoming wouldn't hurt either. True facts.

I tend to agree that this will eventually escalate to more than a US/Israel vs Terrorism war. Crusades part V will be coming soon enough. Which is very unfortunate. I have no ill-will for the average member of Islam, but if it comes down to an "us or them" choice....well, I choose us.
 
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Lost Cause said:
James McGrath Morris, a 12th-grade social studies teacher from Springfield, said his lesson plan will try to explain why America was attacked by tracing the rivalry among the three Western religions with the most adherents — Islam, Judaism and Christianity — and noting that the terrorists were Muslim.

"These are all aspects of the facts," Mr. Morris said. "My lesson plans will not skirt the issues."
I honestly thought you were cracking a joke at this... Fuck, no wonder your country's going to hell in a handbasket. :rolleyes:

If I see one more Anti-Islamic thread I don't know if I'll laugh or shoot myself.
 
riff said:
What I want to know is:


Does anyone believe in phenomenology?
Critical thinking?

If there is anything lacking in students, I find it to be the SKILL of thinking critically.

Part of that means that we include our own biases and prejudices into the phenom we are looking at.

Like the Schroedinger's Cat thing.

Encouraging critical thinking among my students is always a priority. As with any historical event, facts should be presented, and then a teacher needs to step back and allow the students to pose questions and answers.

I give them my opinions, but I always let them know that they are only that.

Anyone can learn facts, it takes critical thinking skills to analyze.
The "Why" questions allow the students to think and delve more deeply into concepts.

All too often, students are asked to just memorize instead of analyzing. If my students have a lack of critical thinking skills, I believe it to be my goal to assist them in learning how to critically think through information. As with other issues, I will do this concerning this issue.
 
Okay, here's what i found

NEA Guidance for Teachers and
Education Support Professionals



The one-year anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001 will challenge us to reassure students just as the new school year begins.


Despite the anticipated onslaught of media coverage, child specialists advise us to shield students from the constant replaying of the horrifying images.

Create a low-key day of learning, not a return to the tragedy.
Be sensitive to developmental differences. Modify any of our suggested lesson plans to fit the developmental readiness of your students. You know your students best.
Don't force anniversary discussions or references to the catastrophic events. Children who don't want to participate in 9/11 related activities should be allowed to turn their attention to something else.
Plan affirming activities - like planting memorial trees, doing murals or collages, writing poems or stories.

http://neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/september11/materials/neaguidance.htm

There's also a set of suggestions for teachers to pass along to parents. I can't find anywhere that dishonesty is encouraged. In fact, there's a lesson plans for K-2 on Facts about Terrorism and War. I looked at those (my level of preference) and they looked to be what i would expect at that age (5-7).

I don't know where Lost Cause got his info, but i don't think any of it is accurate by any stretch.
 
I don't want horrific images shown to my younger kids in school, but for kids in Jr High and High School, I say that it's fine. Sometimes to get the point across, you need to show images that are less then pleasant. Let the images burn in real good. You can't say in one breath that you are wanting to prepare our kids for the reality of adulthood in one breath, and then say in the next that you want to shelter them from reality.

People wonder why our kids end up being far behind the world in education. It's because we baby and shelter them too much. Elementary kids are one thing, but older kids can handle reality and need to be taught as if they were adults.
 
I have succeded!

Almost one year later and not a day goes by without another controversy or rancorous debate regarding the events of 9/11.

Your whole world now seems to revolve around that day. And when it may happen next or who to blame.

Chaos. This is the true objective of a terrorist.
 
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Shy Tall Guy said:
I am no fan of the NEA, but I am no fan of where you are getting these articles from either - they are both biased. I noticed there was no link to the complete NEA "statement" - although the article did say where it could be found. I would prefer to read the statement in its entirety so I can understand it in context.
I searched, and I could not find anything like the statement mentioned in the article. This is the closest thing I could find:

http://www.pbs.org/americaresponds/tolerance.html

Materials referenced in this plan compare our response to 9/11 to the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, etc. - not a fair or valid comparison, but the materials I saw on the NEA website itself are not anti-American or anti-western culture.

Here is the Washington Times article, but it doesn't give a link either:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020819-34549100.htm
 
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'Sama said:
Almost one year later and not a day goes by without another controversy or rancorous debate regarding the events of 9/11.

Your whole world now seems to revolve around that day. And when it may happen next or who to blame.

Chaos. This is the true objective of a terrorist.

Troll - quit watching CNN for a day. Really.
 
Re: I have succeded!

'Sama said:
Almost one year later and not a day goes by without another controversy or rancorous debate regarding the events of 9/11.

Your whole world now seems to revolve around that day. And when it may happen next or who to blame.

Chaos. This is the true objective of a terrorist.

Not chaos. All quite predictable, in my opinion.
 
Chaos?

What chaos?

Debating and talking about an issue brought about by a coward like Osama Bin Laden isn't chaos. Yes, OBL is a coward. If he was such a believer in Allah, and was so sure that the Koran has told him to murder Americans, he wouldn't be in hiding or having others do his dirty work.

They've achieved nothing more than assuring their end.
 
Re: I have succeded!

Yeah - you have succeeded - if your goal was to get your ass bombed out of Afgahnistan, to have your friends/supporters/etc. killed and bombed out of the country too, to have much of your assets seized, to have your people killed, injured, captured and interrogated, to have your people turn on you, to have the US root out much of your organization and plans, to have you scurrying off to hide like a rat in some cave in Pakistan, to have teams of paid professional assasins after your ass - some of them your own people, to have a price on your head, to not be able to trust anybody.

If you call that success, then you are more in need of mental help than I thought. But keep thinking that way - please. It makes our job easier when our enemies are out of touch with reality.
 
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