Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina

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Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina

By MARGARET EBRAHIM and JOHN SOLOMON
Associated Press Writers

Katrina Six Months Later


WASHINGTON (AP) -- In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."

The footage - along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press - show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush expressed a confidence on Aug. 28 that starkly contrasted with the dire warnings his disaster chief and numerous federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.

A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and then-Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.

"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.

The White House and Homeland Security Department urged the public Wednesday not to read too much into the video footage.

"I hope people don't draw conclusions from the president getting a single briefing," presidential spokesman Trent Duffy said, citing a variety of orders and disaster declarations Bush signed before the storm made landfall. "He received multiple briefings from multiple officials, and he was completely engaged at all times."

Michael Brown, former FEMA director, in A-P interview: Brown says he doesn't buy Homeland Security's arguments to deflect blame.


Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said his department would not release the full set of videotaped briefings, saying most transcripts from the sessions were provided to congressional investigators months ago.

"There's nothing new or insightful on these tapes," Knocke said. "We actively participated in the lessons-learned review and we continue to participate in the Senate's review and are working with them on their recommendation."

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, a critic of the administration's Katrina response, had a different take after watching the footage Wednesday afternoon from an AP reporter's camera.

"I have kind a sinking feeling in my gut right now," Nagin said. "I was listening to what people were saying - they didn't know, so therefore it was an issue of a learning curve. You know, from this tape it looks like everybody was fully aware."

Some of the footage and transcripts from briefings Aug. 25-31 conflicts with the defenses that federal, state and local officials have made in trying to deflect blame and minimize the political fallout from the failed Katrina response:

- Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

"I don't buy the `fog of war' defense," Brown told the AP in an interview Wednesday. "It was a fog of bureaucracy."

- Bush declared four days after the storm, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that gushed deadly flood waters into New Orleans. He later clarified, saying officials believed, wrongly, after the storm passed that the levees had survived. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility even before the storm - and Bush was worried too.

White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and Brown discussed fears of a levee breach the day the storm hit.

"I talked to the president twice today, once in Crawford and then again on Air Force One," Brown said. "He's obviously watching the television a lot, and he had some questions about the Dome, he's asking questions about reports of breaches."

- Louisiana officials angrily blamed the federal government for not being prepared but the transcripts shows they were still praising FEMA as the storm roared toward the Gulf Coast and even two days afterward. "I think a lot of the planning FEMA has done with us the past year has really paid off," Col. Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, said during the Aug. 28 briefing.

It wasn't long before Smith and other state officials sounded overwhelmed.

"We appreciate everything that you all are doing for us, and all I would ask is that you realize that what's going on and the sense of urgency needs to be ratcheted up," Smith said Aug. 30.

Mississippi begged for more attention in that same briefing.

"We know that there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana that need to be rescued, but we would just ask you, we desperately need to get our share of assets because we'll have people dying - not because of water coming up, but because we can't get them medical treatment in our affected counties," said a Mississippi state official whose name was not mentioned on the tape.

Video footage of the Aug. 28 briefing, the final one before Katrina struck, showed an intense Brown voicing concerns from the government's disaster operation center and imploring colleagues to do whatever was necessary to help victims.

"We're going to need everything that we can possibly muster, not only in this state and in the region, but the nation, to respond to this event," Brown warned. He called the storm "a bad one, a big one" and implored federal agencies to cut through red tape to help people, bending rules if necessary.

"Go ahead and do it," Brown said. "I'll figure out some way to justify it. ... Just let them yell at me."

Bush appeared from a narrow, windowless room at his vacation ranch in Texas, with his elbows on a table. Hagin was sitting alongside him. Neither asked questions in the Aug. 28 briefing.

"I want to assure the folks at the state level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm, but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm," the president said.

A relaxed Chertoff, sporting a polo shirt, weighed in from Washington at Homeland Security's operations center. He would later fly to Atlanta, outside of Katrina's reach, for a bird flu event.

One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.

Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"

Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."

Chertoff: "Good job."

In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.

The National Hurricane Center's Mayfield told the final briefing before Katrina struck that storm models predicted minimal flooding inside New Orleans during the hurricane but he expressed concerns that counterclockwise winds and storm surges afterward could cause the levees at Lake Pontchartrain to be overrun.

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing.

Other officials expressed concerns about the large number of New Orleans residents who had not evacuated.

"They're not taking patients out of hospitals, taking prisoners out of prisons and they're leaving hotels open in downtown New Orleans. So I'm very concerned about that," Brown said.

Despite the concerns, it ultimately took days for search and rescue teams to reach some hospitals and nursing homes.

Brown also told colleagues one of his top concerns was whether evacuees who went to the New Orleans Superdome - which became a symbol of the failed Katrina response - would be safe and have adequate medical care.

"The Superdome is about 12 feet below sea level.... I don't know whether the roof is designed to stand, withstand a Category Five hurricane," he said.

Brown also wanted to know whether there were enough federal medical teams in place to treat evacuees and the dead in the Superdome.

"Not to be (missing) kind of gross here," Brown interjected, "but I'm concerned" about the medical and mortuary resources "and their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe."

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Associated Press writers Ron Fournier and Lara Jakes Jordan contributed to this report.

Oh bush you little liar.
 
Maybe that's why they were telling Blanco and Nagin to get people the fuck out of New Orleans so early.
 
Plasmaball said:
spin it baby

Spin what? Are you suggesting if the government responded faster than government normally responds everyone could have stayed in New Orleans and no one would have died?
Are you suggesting that the levees wouldn't hold against a massive hurricane is a recent relevation, that it was a big secret before Katrina? There's at least 70 years of blame to pass around there.
 
Plasmaball said:
You spinning things? Not really.

Bush was personally callling for Blanco and Nagin to issue mandatory evacuation orders at least a day and a half before they actually did so. I'm serious...did you not know this?
 
Gringao said:
Bush was personally callling for Blanco and Nagin to issue mandatory evacuation orders at least a day and a half before they actually did so. I'm serious...did you not know this?


uh you want to show me where this was said?
 
Ham Murabi said:
Spin what? Are you suggesting if the government responded faster than government normally responds everyone could have stayed in New Orleans and no one would have died?
Are you suggesting that the levees wouldn't hold against a massive hurricane is a recent relevation, that it was a big secret before Katrina? There's at least 70 years of blame to pass around there.


people still would have died. The response was sad and not as fast as it could have been. But i doubt you see it that way. SO who really cares.

Um no.

70 years? See the way i see it is that who ever is in charge of funding the money is to blame. Did they cut spending for the past 25+ years? yes they did. Bush's Admistration could have solved this. The buck lands on him. If this was a Dem the buck would land on him. I don't care about the past 70 years. This admistration did nothing either.
 
Plasmaball said:
uh you want to show me where this was said?

Fuck, we had entire threads about it back in September. Go find it yourself.
 
What is the new news here? Is the fact a conversation was caught on tape proof of anything, when anyone with a halfway decent memory recalls (if they were paying attention) that ample warning went out.
If everyone capable of walking out of New Orleans had started as soon as they heard of the danger, every one of them would have survived.
Sure, they would have starved waiting for FEMA to supply them food once they reached safety, but hey, you're not hearing me asking for the same organization the runs FEMA to handle my health care.
 
Ham Murabi said:
What is the new news here? Is the fact a conversation was caught on tape proof of anything, when anyone with a halfway decent memory recalls (if they were paying attention) that ample warning went out.
If everyone capable of walking out of New Orleans had started as soon as they heard of the danger, every one of them would have survived.
Sure, they would have starved waiting for FEMA to supply them food once they reached safety, but hey, you're not hearing me asking for the same organization the runs FEMA to handle my health care.

Oh i see. just walk out. That is just stupid.
 
Plasmaball said:
people still would have died. The response was sad and not as fast as it could have been. But i doubt you see it that way. SO who really cares.

Um no.

70 years? See the way i see it is that who ever is in charge of funding the money is to blame. Did they cut spending for the past 25+ years? yes they did. Bush's Admistration could have solved this. The buck lands on him. If this was a Dem the buck would land on him. I don't care about the past 70 years. This admistration did nothing either.

You didn't read my post. The federal government response in my mind was nothing but typical.
As far as funding, I'm sure you know New Orleans had it own agency for dealing with the levees. I heard they spent about $1 million on a fountain a year or so ago.
It is absurd to blame Bush for not fortifying the levees, unless equal blame is assigned all the way back to FDR.
 
Plasmaball said:
Oh i see. just walk out. That is just stupid.

It's not stupid, it's an example of how much advance warning there was. I could have walked from Bourbon St. or Jackson Square to safety, bad leg and all.
And if you can't remember any Katrina threads in the days before it hit New Orleans, go ahead and do a search of Linuxgeek's threads. There are plenty more like it.
You can't rewrite history. If there was a person in this country who didn't know about Katrina THREE FUCKING DAYS before it hit New Orleans, they were truly living in their own private world.
 
Ham Murabi said:
You didn't read my post. The federal government response in my mind was nothing but typical.
As far as funding, I'm sure you know New Orleans had it own agency for dealing with the levees. I heard they spent about $1 million on a fountain a year or so ago.
It is absurd to blame Bush for not fortifying the levees, unless equal blame is assigned all the way back to FDR.

No They failed end of story for them. Bush's admistration had the chance to not fail. They end up getting the blame till the next person screws up.

They where also under funded and saying for a longtime they needed more money.
 
Ham Murabi said:
It is absurd to blame Bush for not fortifying the levees, unless equal blame is assigned all the way back to FDR.

Bush made significant cuts in the Levee repair budget to pay for his ill-advised tax cuts, but you want to spread the blame.

Spin it, baybeeee!
 
Plasmaball said:
No They failed end of story for them. Bush's admistration had the chance to not fail. They end up getting the blame till the next person screws up.

They where also under funded and saying for a longtime they needed more money.

They needed to stop stealing the money they already were given. Louisiana has long been the #1 state in water project funding, they just have a deeply corrupt political class that has skimmed those funds instead of doing what they're supposed to with them.
 
Ham Murabi said:
It's not stupid, it's an example of how much advance warning there was. I could have walked from Bourbon St. or Jackson Square to safety, bad leg and all.
And if you can't remember any Katrina threads in the days before it hit New Orleans, go ahead and do a search of Linuxgeek's threads. There are plenty more like it.
You can't rewrite history. If there was a person in this country who didn't know about Katrina THREE FUCKING DAYS before it hit New Orleans, they were truly living in their own private world.


right because you can predict whats going to happen with hurricanes. 3 days out it can still move around. It costs money to leave your home. It costs money to make a few million people leave a major city. This was/is a poor city.

did everyone fail? In someways yes. But i feel it all goes back to underfunding the levee's. Which is a federal thing.
 
Let us build levees a mile high and watch the water fail to drain out.
 
Gringao said:
They needed to stop stealing the money they already were given. Louisiana has long been the #1 state in water project funding, they just have a deeply corrupt political class that has skimmed those funds instead of doing what they're supposed to with them.


everyone skims. I bet you could trace skimming back to the Bush admistration also.

Again, this was under funded. Money was cut. So even if they didn't skim off the top, they were still short.
 
Plasmaball said:
right because you can predict whats going to happen with hurricanes. 3 days out it can still move around. It costs money to leave your home. It costs money to make a few million people leave a major city. This was/is a poor city.

did everyone fail? In someways yes. But i feel it all goes back to underfunding the levee's. Which is a federal thing.

Actually the blame for this one is at every level, from the city to the state to the federal government, just as the report on it stated.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Bush made significant cuts in the Levee repair budget to pay for his ill-advised tax cuts, but you want to spread the blame.

Spin it, baybeeee!

The only thing I saw cut was some of the funding for a study of the levee system, to be started, as I recall, in the first quarter of 2005. That means the study may have been in progress as Katrina hit. It probably wouldn't have prevented the breach, bright boy.
 
Plasmaball said:
everyone skims. I bet you could trace skimming back to the Bush admistration also.

Again, this was under funded. Money was cut. So even if they didn't skim off the top, they were still short.

Yes, but the skimmimg doesn't make it right. One has to wonder how much the local officials were skimming themselves.
 
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