Tammy Duckworth for President - 2020/2024?

[angela146]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth
http://www.duckworthforcongress.com/

Currently, she is running for Henry Hyde's seat in the House and has a good shot at taking a suburban Chicago seat for the Dems.

She's 38 y/o so she still has time to follow "the path". Maybe 4 years in the house, 6 in the senate, a term as Governor of Illinois (4 yrs). At that point she would be 52.

Anybody want to start a pool?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Interesting how John McCain was feeding everyone the Republican line of Bullshit yesterday while both screaming about how veterans are wonderful and campaigning against Duckworth (an Iraq vet and DOUBLE AMPUTEE)

 

[rgraham666]

I like Major Duckworth.

Carry on the mission.

 

[angela146]

Interesting how John McCain was feeding everyone the Republican line of Bullshit yesterday while both screaming about how veterans are wonderful and campaigning against Duckworth (an Iraq vet and DOUBLE AMPUTEE)

I would *love* to see the two of them in a debate.

 

[Kandi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth
http://www.duckworthforcongress.com/

Currently, she is running for Henry Hyde's seat in the House and has a good shot at taking a suburban Chicago seat for the Dems.

She's 38 y/o so she still has time to follow "the path". Maybe 4 years in the house, 6 in the senate, a term as Governor of Illinois (4 yrs). At that point she would be 52.

Anybody want to start a pool?

About a month ago she did a very effective Democratic response to Bush's weekly Saturday radio address. I was impressed by the strength of her message. It's refreshing to hear that in a Democrat. She has a bright future.

 

[Guest]

I think if I had Presidential ambitions, I'd stay the hell away from the Senate and probably even the House of Representatives.

The last Senator elected was Nixon, one term.

Reagan, Carter, Clinton, and W Bush all came through the governor only route. Members of Congress have a long voting record that can torpedo them. And there are too many votes where little amendments with nothing to do with the main bill are tied to them.

So when say a Democrat votes against say, the Halliburton Enrichment Act of 2004, they also vote against a small amendment that would have given an extra set of boots to infantry soldiers. So for the rest of his political career, his opponent can scream "He voted against giving soldiers shoes to wear!"

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think if I had Presidential ambitions, I'd stay the hell away from the Senate and probably even the House of Representatives.

The last Senator elected was Nixon, one term.

Reagan, Carter, Clinton, and W Bush all came through the governor only route. Members of Congress have a long voting record that can torpedo them. And there are too many votes where little amendments with nothing to do with the main bill are tied to them.

So when say a Democrat votes against say, the Halliburton Enrichment Act of 2004, they also vote against a small amendment that would have given an extra set of boots to infantry soldiers. So for the rest of his political career, his opponent can scream "He voted against giving soldiers shoes to wear!"

Actually, the last senator elected was JFK. Nixon was a senator at one time but that was 16 years before he became president.

Ford was a member of the House for a long time, but he was not actually elected president as the term is usually understood. When he ran for re-election, he lost.

Bush 1 was also a member of Congress from 1967 to 1971, so that was 18 years before he became pres.

 

[angela146]

I think if I had Presidential ambitions, I'd stay the hell away from the Senate and probably even the House of Representatives.

So, how do you get to be governor without some time in congress?

Clinton was a rare bird, having jumped from Atty General to Governor at a very young age. George W had a famous father, and Reagan... well... we can't all go the Hollywood route.

 

[Boxlicker101]

So, how do you get to be governor without some time in congress?

Clinton was a rare bird, having jumped from Atty General to Governor at a very young age. George W had a famous father, and Reagan... well... we can't all go the Hollywood route.

Of the most recent governors who have become president, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II, none of them served in Congress.

I just looked back further. FDR and Coolidge and Wilson and T. Roosevelt were governors who served as president. None of them was ever in Congress. You have to go all the way back to William McKinley to find a president who was also a governor and a member of Congress.

 

[cantdog]

Of the most recent governors who have become president, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II, none of them served in Congress.

I just looked back further. FDR and Coolidge and Wilson and T. Roosevelt were governors who served as president. None of them was ever in Congress. You have to go all the way back to William McKinley to find a president who was also a governor and a member of Congress.

LBJ was from Congressional leadership.

 

[Boxlicker101]

LBJ was from Congressional leadership.

Yes, but LBJ was never a governor. I was listing those presidents who went through the state house to the White House without going through Congress.

 

[S-Des]

Ok, I don't know squat about her, but after reading a couple of her positions, I'm in love! If she's half good as she looks (politically speaking), I'll be volunteering. As for her avoiding congress, trust me, as long as she's not a blithering idiot, she has a shot at being our Governor (have you seen the last two we've had... ).

That's what I worry about with Obama. I really like him, but you know there is a list being made about every vote he makes and someone is examining ways to play it up that he's some kind of whack-job (and I'd be willing to bet there will be subtle references to the causes he's supposed to support...i.e. scaring the old, white conservatives into coming out in droves). I don't know if he has enough of a track record to run in 08, but I'd support him over anyone that's been rumored, other than McCain.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Of the most recent governors who have become president, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II, none of them served in Congress.

I just looked back further. FDR and Coolidge and Wilson and T. Roosevelt were governors who served as president. None of them was ever in Congress. You have to go all the way back to William McKinley to find a president who was also a governor and a member of Congress.

Warren G. Harding was the first of the only two men who ever went directly from Senate to White House. The other was JFK. Neither finished his term. Both had tragedy (scandals and stress in general caused Harding's illness and death in 1923). Oh, and both had extramarital affairs.

Andrew Johnson and Lyndon Johnson went from Senate to the VICE Presidency, then to the Presidency upon the assassination of popular, but controversial Presidents.

Oh, and Carter was in the Georgia legislature, but before that had a career in the US Navy.

 

[Tuomas]

What was that quote from "An American President"... "You said it yourself; if there was a television in every home fifty years ago, this country does not elect a criple as President." Or words very close to that...

Other than that, Ladda (using her middle name to sound more "American") Duckworth's claim to fame is the War in Iraq and her war injuries. It will probably get her elected this term, but six to eight years from now, when the war is no longer an issue, she will be just like any other candidate.

And is it wrong that people vote for her because she's a double amputee?

 

[S-Des]

And is it wrong that people vote for her because she's a double amputee?

It would be completely wrong. Just as I don't support McCain because of his service. Pity is a stupid reason to vote for anyone. But I did take a second to look over her positions (granted, a paid political operative probably wrote them), and she looks very interesting. If she manages to get into office, then we can get a good look at what she really believes and how she comports herself. Could she one day get elected to the presidency? I don't know, but it would be a wonderful lesson about achieving despite long odds (assuming she's not a complete screw-up).

 

[angela146]

It would be completely wrong. Just as I don't support McCain because of his service. Pity is a stupid reason to vote for anyone. But I did take a second to look over her positions (granted, a paid political operative probably wrote them), and she looks very interesting. If she manages to get into office, then we can get a good look at what she really believes and how she comports herself. Could she one day get elected to the presidency? I don't know, but it would be a wonderful lesson about achieving despite long odds (assuming she's not a complete screw-up).

That's the thing. She's articulate. She can answer questions and speak in complete sentences. She actually talks to people instead of reciting the party line.

As for her experience in Iraq, just maybe it would make her unlikely to send troops into harm's way without a clear mission, a plan for victory and an idea of how to get them out if things don't turn out well.

Her injuries count for at least one thing: a lack of hypocrisy on defense issues. No one can accuse her of failing to stand up for what she believes in.

Any woman running for president has to somehow demonstrate that she can handle the "tough decisions". I doubt that any of her opponents are going to call her "soft" on national security.

 

[Tuomas]

That's the thing. She's articulate. She can answer questions and speak in complete sentences. She actually talks to people instead of reciting the party line.

As for her experience in Iraq, just maybe it would make her unlikely to send troops into harm's way without a clear mission, a plan for victory and an idea of how to get them out if things don't turn out well.

Her injuries count for at least one thing: a lack of hypocrisy on defense issues. No one can accuse her of failing to stand up for what she believes in.

Any woman running for president has to somehow demonstrate that she can handle the "tough decisions". I doubt that any of her opponents are going to call her "soft" on national security.

All that you said earlier is based on her being a cripple. That's why I asked if it was wrong for people to vote for her because she was a double amputee..

 

[rgraham666]

As for her experience in Iraq, just maybe it would make her unlikely to send troops into harm's way without a clear mission, a plan for victory and an idea of how to get them out if things don't turn out well.

"The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry." Bill Mauldin.

Her injuries count for at least one thing: a lack of hypocrisy on defense issues. No one can accuse her of failing to stand up for what she believes in.

Any woman running for president has to somehow demonstrate that she can handle the "tough decisions". I doubt that any of her opponents are going to call her "soft" on national security.

After some of the things the Republicans did to Max Cleland, I'm sure they will.

 

[Guest]

"The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry." Bill Mauldin.

Bless you for making me think of him.

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/02/nov02/mauldin/images/_maul35.jpg


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[rgraham666]

Bless you for making me think of him.

And thanks for the link.

I like this one. Especially considering some of the talk about Muslims going around these days.

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/02/nov02/mauldin/pages/_maul31.html

And this exemplifies what I liked best about Maudlin. Even in the middle of a war, he didn't hate the other side.

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/02/nov02/mauldin/pages/_maul41.html

 

[rgraham666]

Double post.

Also, are the images coming through on your end? They're not on mine.

Sigh. Computers.

 

[angela146]

Double post.

Also, are the images coming through on your end? They're not on mine.

Sigh. Computers.

You didn't include the actual filename of the image in your post.

 

[rgraham666]

Just did, I think.

Didn't help.

Eh. I've better thing to do than decode programmer's logic these days. So no images.