Syria: How can the Assad regime be got rid of?

[KingOrfeo]

It's hard to find any good guys in the Syrian Civil War (Rojava might be one, but it's hard to tell for sure from here), but Assad is definitely one of the bad guys, and having ISIS for an enemy does not make him any better. He is clearly no less a murderous monster than Saddam Hussein (a fellow Ba'athist, which I am given to understand is not quite the same thing as a Baptist, though confusion is understandable). His regime has got to go. But Russia backs him to the hilt, and now the Trump Admin is cozy with Russia. Against all that, who can do what to bring him down?

 

[james_1957]

It's hard to find any good guys in the Syrian Civil War (Rojava might be one, but it's hard to tell for sure from here), but Assad is definitely one of the bad guys, and having ISIS for an enemy does not make him any better. He is clearly no less a murderous monster than Saddam Hussein (a fellow Ba'athist, which I am given to understand is not quite the same thing as a Baptist, though confusion is understandable). His regime has got to go. But Russia backs him to the hilt, and now the Trump Admin is cozy with Russia. Against all that, who can do what to bring him down?

...be got rid of?

Is that a legal term, Counselor?

 

[KingOrfeo]

...be got rid of?

Is that a legal term, Counselor?

No, and this is not a legal brief; the question is purely political.

 

[Rightguide]

It's hard to find any good guys in the Syrian Civil War (Rojava might be one, but it's hard to tell for sure from here), but Assad is definitely one of the bad guys, and having ISIS for an enemy does not make him any better. He is clearly no less a murderous monster than Saddam Hussein (a fellow Ba'athist, which I am given to understand is not quite the same thing as a Baptist, though confusion is understandable). His regime has got to go. But Russia backs him to the hilt, and now the Trump Admin is cozy with Russia. Against all that, who can do what to bring him down?

if Assad still has chemical weapons, it's Putin's fault. It was up to Russia to take possession of Syrian chemical weapons under the past agreement. Ask Putin what he's going to do about it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

if Assad still has chemical weapons, it's Putin's fault. It was up to Russia to take possession of Syrian chemical weapons under the past agreement. Ask Putin what he's going to do about it.

I can't. Trump can but won't. That's the problem.

 

[sr71plt]

I can't. Trump can but won't. That's the problem.

Trump's UN ambassador did--directly--today. The problem there is that Trump and his surrogates don't often stay on the same message.

 

[Rightguide]

I can't. Trump can but won't. That's the problem.

Not Trump's responsibility to save Obama's legacy. The only way it can be done is to decapitate Syria's national leadership, Assad and his Lieutenants, with a targeted airstrike. Trump isn't going to do that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not Trump's responsibility to save Obama's legacy.

It's not about that, it's about getting rid of a dangerous tyrant, and not an American, either.

The only way it can be done is to decapitate Syria's national leadership, Assad and his Lieutenants, with a targeted airstrike. Trump isn't going to do that.

Exactly. So who else can or will? The Iranians could, but they're in bed with Russia too (move over, Donald). The Turks could, but their only real concern is to prevent the Syrian Kurds from winning independence, which makes them, too, enemies of Assad's enemies. The Israelis have remained neutral since the war started; apparently they more or less prefer Assad, as the Devil they know, to whatever might replace him.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Trump's UN ambassador did--directly--today. The problem there is that Trump and his surrogates don't often stay on the same message.

Not him alone, fortunately.

Matthew Rycroft, the UK's ambassador to the UN, told the Security Council that Mr Assad had "humiliated" Russia by "making a mockery" of the peace process it had brokered with some rebel groups.

"What is your plan?" he asked. "What is your plan to stop these horrific senseless attacks? We had a plan and we had the support and you rejected it to protect Assad."

Russia and China have blocked attempts to impose sanctions on Syria.

Russia's deputy ambassador to the UN, Vladimir Safronkov, hit back by accusing the UK of being "obsessed" with overthrowing President Assad instead of seeking peace.

He said his country - which can veto any UN Security Council resolution - saw no need for a new resolution and called for a "full, objective" international investigation. Much of the video evidence of the attack had, he argued, been "staged".

The US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, said Syrian chemical attacks would continue if nothing was done.

"Time and time again Russia uses the same false narrative to deflect attention from their ally in Damascus," she said.

Hinting at possible unilateral action by the US, she added: "When the United Nations consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action."

French UN envoy Francois Delattre blamed the Assad government for the attack, accusing it of "destructive madness".

He said the world needed an "America that is seriously committed to a solution in Syria".

 

[KingOrfeo]

Trump condemns the chemical attack -- but says nothing against Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

It's not about that, it's about getting rid of a dangerous tyrant, and not an American, either.



Exactly. So who else can or will? The Iranians could, but they're in bed with Russia too (move over, Donald). The Turks could, but their only real concern is to prevent the Syrian Kurds from winning independence, which makes them, too, enemies of Assad's enemies. The Israelis have remained neutral since the war started; apparently they more or less prefer Assad, as the Devil they know, to whatever might replace him.

We can, The Israelis can, the Russians can, and the Turks can. maybe at this stage it would be sufficient just to take out his entire airforce and a large part of artillery capability.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We can, The Israelis can, the Russians can, and the Turks can.

Can. But who will? What government is ready to decide that taking out Assad is something worth doing?

 

[Rightguide]

Can. But who will? What government is ready to decide that taking out Assad is something worth doing?

If Trump does it, he'll be excoriated by the Democrats.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump condemns the chemical attack -- but says nothing against Russia.

Why should he say anything against Russia? They are bigger friends and allies than the D.C. establishment.

Can. But who will? What government is ready to decide that taking out Assad is something worth doing?

Hopefully none.

If Trump does it, he'll be excoriated by the Democrats.

Trump could cure cancer, end world hunger, get HC to the entire planet for pocket change and the Democrats would still call him Hitler.

There is literally NOTHING Trump, or any (R) for that matter, can do that the (D)'s won't try to pretend is the most evil thing ever. It just doesn't exist, you're either a (D) or you're the enemy and that's all there is to them. That's all that matters....party and ideology above all else comrade.

 

[Rightguide]

There is literally NOTHING Trump, or any (R) for that matter, can do that the (D)'s won't try to pretend is the most evil thing ever. It just doesn't exist, you're either a (D) or you're the enemy and that's all there is to them. That's all that matters....party and ideology above all else comrade.

So damn true...the new civil war.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If Trump does it, he'll be excoriated by the Democrats.

Dems don't like Assad.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Anyone see Haley Destroy Russia at the UN?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-attack-warns-us-may-take-our-own-action.html

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dems don't like Assad.

You're right, they like ISIS.

 

[Rightguide]

Dems don't like Assad.

Their hatred of Trump exceeds their hate for Assad.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Their hatred of Trump exceeds their hate for Assad.

That would be reasonable; Assad is a problem but he is not really America's problem.

 

[Rightguide]

That would be reasonable; Assad is a problem but he is not really America's problem.

Trump isn't America's problem. He's the left's problem.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Trump isn't America's problem. He's the left's problem.

He's everybody's problem. You've been had. You'll figure it out eventually.

 

[Rightguide]

He's everybody's problem. You've been had. You'll figure it out eventually.

I've never been had. He was the only choice against the world-class catastrophe of a third Obama term piloted by the incompetent serial felon and pathological liar, Hilary Clinton.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I've never been had. He was the only choice against the world-class catastrophe of a third Obama term piloted by the incompetent serial felon and pathological liar, Hilary Clinton.

She is none of those things and Trump is -- certainly incompetent, certainly a pathological liar, possibly a serial felon who never yet got caught (a rape or two in his history would not surprise me, and criminally dishonest business dealings may safely be assumed).

 

[Rightguide]

She is none of those things and Trump is -- certainly incompetent, certainly a pathological liar, possibly a serial felon who never yet got caught (a rape or two in his history would not surprise me, and criminally dishonest business dealings may safely be assumed).

Your lack of sanity can also be assumed.