Support the troops?

[Stella_Omega]

In any case I wasn't talking about the future, I was talking about right now. This world is much less safe right now.

 

[Netzach]

Oh please, you are smarter than this, at least I still believe this.


(The really sad thing is that we even have a prime example of your ironic comment becoming more or less true. The Egypt revolution made Mubarak retreat and the military forces took over. And...do you think the blue bra girl would have said, Egypt is now a better place? The Muslim Brotherhood #1 and the Salafists as #2 now as government - what do you think how women will live in Egypt the next few years?)

With rare exceptions, everyone else should have the opportunity to make their own damn mistakes. Germany's mistakes became everyone's problem in a very graphic way.

I'm not buying the axis of evil regarding Iraq c. 2000.

Women's rights only become a benchmark when people want to fuck with other countries. The people crying about Egypt don't give a flying fuck about how women live in Sierra Leone.

I remember when everyone was freaking out over the Turkish elections in the 90's. You know, because everything was going to get radicalized if you let "those people" make their own decisions.

You are acting as if the invasion were some inevitable march of obvious historic forces, like a pull of political gravity. And you're implying I'm not being intelligent?

 

[Primalex]

In any case I wasn't talking about the future, I was talking about right now. This world is much less safe right now.

Is it? Or is it just that we know better how the world is today?

I mean, if some fuckwits can capture planes and kill 5k people in a blink, I would call this pretty unsafe. Considering that they could have done this anywhere else makes the world seem pretty unsafe already a century ago.

Where is this "safe world" when 800k people can be killed?

Ignorance is what makes you feel safe. Ignorance about the fact that you will die one day. Ignorance about the fact that driving to work might kill you. Or ignorance about your S.O. cheating on you. Ignorance is what makes life bearable in the first place. Unfortunately, we are living in the millennium of knowledge. And that we can't protect us with ignorance, is the price we have to pay for it.

 

[Primalex]

With rare exceptions, everyone else should have the opportunity to make their own damn mistakes.

I'm not buying the axis of evil regarding Iraq c. 2000.

This is true for the States then, too, isn't it? Shouldn't they be allowed to make their own damn mistakes?

You are acting as if the invasion were some inevitable march of obvious historic forces, like a pull of political gravity.

No, stella is acting as if making a different decision would lead to a better result for the world, like a pull of political gravity. I'm just stating that nobody knows which direction the pull will be.

And you're implying I'm not being intelligent?

I'm implying that you are not very intelligent, when you keep on putting words in my mouth, just because you hope I would have said them, just so you can go tantrum on them.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This is true for the States then, too, isn't it? Shouldn't they be allowed to make their own damn mistakes?

That's WE. WE are the States, and no, WE should not be allowed to "make our own damn mistakes" WE should fucking stop our less intelligent selves from making those mistakes.

WE should not be bullies. WE should not rouse the ire and anger of the world against us. WE should refrain from making wars of aggression the way Germany did.

No, stella is acting as if making a different decision would lead to a better result for the world, like a pull of political gravity. I'm just stating that nobody knows which direction the pull will be.

You don't, maybe. But I have a pretty good notion that refraining from behaving like a jerk is better than behaving like a jerk.

I'm not going to bother with you for a while. Let us all know when you get your meds balanced again.

 

[Primalex]

WE should not be bullies. WE should not rouse the ire and anger of the world against us. WE should refrain from making wars of aggression the way Germany did.

You don't, maybe. But I have a pretty good notion that refraining from behaving like a jerk is better than behaving like a jerk.

Well, acting like Jesus didn't stop them from nailing him to the cross, did it?

Homo homini lupus - man is man's wolf.

 

[Matthewbn]

Everyone of you are the reasons I am 100% behined our troops and what they do...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, acting like Jesus didn't stop them from nailing him to the cross, did it?

Homo homini lupus - man is man's wolf.

Man is man's man.

Wolves treat each other with respect.

That's still no reason to fuck over hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

 

[Netzach]

This is true for the States then, too, isn't it? Shouldn't they be allowed to make their own damn mistakes?

Who has ever marched in, taken over and taken that away from us? Don't give me BS about planes, either in Pearl or in NYC. Being attacked is not being occupied.

It's never happened. It's probably never going to happen. But we're completely comfortable taking on that role over and over again, because WE "understand freedom" or some jingoistic rationale.

We've never done anything BUT learn as we go and tell everyone else what we want. Periodically what we want is right, uniformly what we want is what's good for us.

"Oh that's just humanity" is a reason never to change anything and to stay Lord of the Flies.