Sufi Poetry?

[tolyk]

Does anyone know anything about Sufi Poetry? I tried a discussion on this quite some time back in the Author's Hangout, it died later that day

I went to a reading once and the concepts and words intrigued me. I've tried looking it up online but can't really find anything of import..

Anyone have good links, or personal knowledge to share on the subject?

 

[Angeline]

Does anyone know anything about Sufi Poetry? I tried a discussion on this quite some time back in the Author's Hangout, it died later that day

I went to a reading once and the concepts and words intrigued me. I've tried looking it up online but can't really find anything of import..

Anyone have good links, or personal knowledge to share on the subject?

I have long been a fan of the poetry of both Rumi and Hafiz (they wrote around the 13th or 14th century, not totally sure when though), probably the two most well-known Sufi poets. Their poems are both sensual and spiritual, sort of celebrates the human capacity for sensuality as a spiritual gift, a concept that sure works for me.

I also know that Hafiz in particular was a great influence on the poetry of Rilke and Neruda--if you read them in the order of the times in which they wrote, first Hafiz, then Rilke, then Neruda, you can see the line of influence.

And a very good site to explore Sufi poets is here.

 

[Angeline]

The Gift
Hafiz

The sun
Won a beauty contest and became a jewel
Set upon God’s right hand.

The earth agreed to be a toe ring on the
Beloved’s foot
And has never regretted its decision.

The mountains got tired
Of sitting amongst a sleeping audience

And are now stretching their arms
Toward the Roof.

The clouds gave my soul an idea
So I pawned my gills
And rose like a winged diamond

Ever trying to be near
More love, more love
Like you.

The Mountain got tired of sitting
Amongst a snoring crowd inside of me
And rose like a rip sun
Into my eye.

My soul gave my heart a brilliant idea
So Hafiz is rising like a
Winged diamond.

 

[tolyk]

Thank you Angeline, I have indeed heard of, and read some, Rumi. The reading covered a few of his poems, but it was more than a reading really.. They discussed the history and concept of sufi poetry.

It is indeed spiritual, but not always From what I learned there are two types of Love which these poems discuss, spiritual and physical. I can't remember the words they used for them, though I think one was Eros, and the other started with an "A".

The link looks great, I shall read through it more tonight however.

 

[ishtat]

Does anyone know anything about Sufi Poetry? I tried a discussion on this quite some time back in the Author's Hangout, it died later that day

I went to a reading once and the concepts and words intrigued me. I've tried looking it up online but can't really find anything of import..

Anyone have good links, or personal knowledge to share on the subject?

I can't help specifically on the poetry front but do have an interest in mysticism (thus Sufi and Kabalah) in both Islam and Judaism. My basic interest stems from studying the influences older religion traditions particularly Zoroastrianism had on the development of the monotheistic faiths and philosophies.

I have learned a lot by reading Karen Armstrong who writes on religion and religious history with no axe to grind except that it seems to me that her fundamental interest is in Mysticism generally and Sufi in particular.

Her work is luminously intelligent and includes:

"Tongues of Fire: An anthology of Religious and Poetic experience"

"The English Mystics of the Fourteenth Century"

I think she also did a cassette or a book on some Sufi poets but I can't find it ,maybe Amazon could help.

Armstrong is interesting as an ex Catholic trainee nun who teaches at the Leo Braeck College for the training of Rabbis and who(in my view writes) particularly well on Islam and Mysticism. She is very readable

Finally I suspect that some of Lauren Hyndes poetry especially her more recent work may have been influenced by a study of Mystical traditions. A sort of post modern mystic! I could be totally wrong though because she is a complex many layered writer.

 

[bluerains]

Muhammed Ibn 'Ali Ibn 'Arabi

wrote this one I like very much

An Ocean without Shore

I marveled at an Ocean without shore,
and at a Shore that did not have an ocean;
And at a Morning Light without darkness,
and at a Night that was without daybreak;
And then a Sphere with no locality
known to either fool or learned scholar;
And at an azure Dome raised over the earth,
circulating 'round its center -- Compulsion;
And at a rich Earth without o'er-arching vault
and no specific location, the Secret concealed . . . .

I courted a Secret which existence did not alter;
for it was asked of me: "Has Thought enchanted you?"
-- To which I replied: "I have no power over that;
I counsel you: Be patient with it while you live.
But, truly, if Thought becomes established
in my mind, the embers kindle into flame,
And everything is given up to fire
the like of which was never seen before!"
And it was said to me: "He does not pluck a flower
who calls himself with courtesy 'Freeborn'."
"He who woos the belle femme in her boudoir, love-beguiled,
will never deem the bridal-price too high!"

I gave her the dower and was given her in marriage
throughout the night until the break of Dawn --
But other than Myself I did not find. -- Rather,
that One whom I married -- may his affair be known:
For added to the Sun's measure of light
are the radiant New Moon and shining Stars;
Like Time, dispraised - though the Prophet (Blessings on him!)
had once declared of your Lord that He is Time


and as ange
I love rumi as well

in music...trance 2 has a rare look inside the sufi trance dance...



TRANCE 2: Naqshbandi Sufis - Healing & Trance in Morocco - Balinese Temple Festival (Code*#RCD079B)


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peace/blue

 

[quietpoet]

too windy for fishin'

The Rubaiyat by Omar Khayyam
1
Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night
Has flung the Stone that puts the Stars to Flight:
And Lo! the Hunter of the East has caught
The Sultán's Turret in a Noose of Light.

2
Dreaming when Dawn's Left Hand was in the Sky
I heard a Voice within the Tavern cry,
"Awake, my Little ones, and fill the Cup
Before Life's Liquor in its Cup be dry."

3
And, as the Cock crew, those who stood before
The Tavern shouted-- "Open then the Door!
"You know how little while we have to stay,
And, once departed, may return no more."

4
Now the New Year reviving old Desires,
The thoughtful Soul to Solitude retires,
Where the White Hand of Moses on the Bough
Puts out, and Jesus from the Ground suspires.

5
Irám indeed is gone with all its Rose,
And Jamshýd's Sev'n-ring'd Cup where no one knows;
But still the Vine her ancient Ruby yields,
And still a Garden by the Water blows.

6
And David's Lips are lock't; but in divine
High piping Pehleví, with "Wine! Wine! Wine!
Red Wine!''--the Nightingale cries to the Rose
That yellow Cheek of her's to incarnadine.

7
Come, fill the Cup, and in the Fire of Spring
The Winter Garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To fly--and Lo! the Bird is on the Wing.

8
And look--a thousand Roses with the Day
Woke--and a thousand scatter'd into Clay:
And this first Summer month that brings the Rose
Shall take Jamshyd and Kaikobád away.

9
But come with old Khayyám, and leave the Lot
Of Kaikobád and Kaikhosrú forgot:
Let Rustum lay about him as he will,
Or Hátim Tai cry Supper--heed them not.

10
With me along some Strip of Herbage strown
That just divides the desert from the sown,
Where name of Slave and Sultán is scarce known,
And pity Sultán Mahmúd on his Throne!

11
Here with a Loaf of Bread beneath the Bough,
A Flask of Wine, a Loaf of Bread,--and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness--
And Wilderness is Paradise enow!

12
"How sweet is mortal Sovranty!"--think some:
Others--"How blest the Paradise to come!"
Ah, take the Cash in hand and wave the Rest;
Oh, the brave music of a distant Drum !

13
Look to the Rose that blows about us--"Lo,
"Laughing," she says,"into the World I blow:
At once the silken Tassel of my Purse
Tear, and its Treasure on the Garden throw."

14
The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon
Turns Ashes--or it prospers; and anon,
Like Snow upon the Desert's dusty Face
Lighting a little Hour or two--is gone.

15
And those who husbanded the Golden Grain,
And those who flung it to the Winds like Rain,
Alike to no such aureate Earth are turn'd
As, buried once, Men want dug up again.

16
Think, in this batter'd Caravanserai
Whose Doorways are alternate Night and Day,
How Sultán after Sultán with his Pomp
Abode his Hour or two, and went his way.

17
They say the Lion and the Lizard keep
The Courts where Jamshýd gloried* and drank deep:
And Bahrám, that great Hunter--the Wild Ass
Stamps o'er his Head, and he lies fast asleep.

18
I sometimes think that never blows so red
The Rose as where some buried Cæsar bled;
That every Hyacinth the Garden wears
Dropt in its Lap from some once lovely Head.

19
And this delightful Herb whose tender Green
Fledges the River's Lip on which we lean--
Ah, lean upon it lightly! for who knows
From what once lovely Lip it springs unseen!

20
Ah, my Belovéd, fill the Cup that clears
To-day of past Regrets and future Fear--
To-morrow?--Why, To-morrow I may be
Myself with Yesterday's Sev'n Thousand Years.

21
Lo! some we loved, the loveliest and best
That Time and Fate of all their Vintage prest,
Have drunk their Cup a Round or two before,
And one by one crept silently to Rest.

22
And we, that now make merry in the Room
They left, and Summer dresses in new Bloom,
Ourselves must we beneath the Couch of Earth
Descend, ourselves to make a Couch--for whom?

23
Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend,
Before we too into the Dust descend;
Dust into Dust, and under Dust, to lie;
Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Singer, and--sans End!

24 Alike for those who for To-day prepare,
And those that after some To-morrow stare,
A Muezzín from the Tower of Darkness cries
"Fools! Your Reward is neither Here nor There!"

25
Why, all the Saints and Sages who discuss'd
Of the Two Worlds so learnedly, are thrust
Like foolish Prophets forth; their Works to Scorn
Are scatter'd, and their Mouths are stopt with Dust.

26
Oh, come with old Khayyám, and leave the Wise
To talk; one thing is certain, that Life flies;
One thing is certain, and the Rest is Lies;
The Flower that once has blown forever dies.

27
Myself when young did eagerly frequent
Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument
About it and about; but evermore
Came out by the same Door as in I went.

28
With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow,
And with my own hand labour'd it to grow:
And this was all the Harvest that I reap'd--
"I came like Water and like Wind I go."

29
Into this Universe, and Why not knowing,
Nor Whence, like Water willy-nilly flowing:
And out of it, as Wind along the Waste,
I know not Whither, willy-nilly blowing.

30
What, without asking, hither hurried whence?
And, without asking whither hurried hence!
Another and another Cup to drown
The Memory of this Impertinence!

31
Up from Earth's Centre through the Seventh Gate
I rose, and on the Throne of Saturn sate,
And many Knots unravel'd by the Road;
But not the Knot of Human Death and Fate.

32
There was the Door to which I found no Key:
There was the Veil through which I could not see:
Some little Talk awhile of Me and Thee
There seemed--and then no more of Thee and Me.

33
Then to the rolling Heav'n itself I cried,
Asking, "What Lamp had Destiny to guide
Her little Children stumbling in the Dark?"
And--"A blind Understanding!" Heav'n replied.

34
Then to this earthen Bowl did I adjourn
My Lip the secret Well of Life to learn:
And Lip to Lip it murmur'd--"While you live
"Drink!--for once dead you never shall return."

35
I think the Vessel, that with fugitive
Articulation answer'd, once did live,
And merry-make, and the cold Lip I kiss'd,
How many Kisses might it take--and give!

36
For in the Market-place, one Dusk of Day,
I watch'd the Potter thumping his wet Clay:
And with its all obliterated Tongue
It murmur'd -- "Gently, Brother, gently, pray!"

37
Ah, fill the Cup:--what boots it to repeat
How Time is slipping underneath our Feet:
Unborn To-morrow, and dead Yesterday,
Why fret about them if To-day be sweet!

38
One Moment in Annihilation's Waste,
One Moment, of the Well of Life to taste--
The Stars are setting and the Caravan
Starts for the Dawn of Nothing--Oh, make haste!

39
How long, how long, in infinite Pursuit
Of This and That endeavor and dispute?
Better be merry with the fruitful Grape
Than sadden after none, or bitter, fruit.

40
You know, my Friends, how long since in my House
For a new Marriage I did make Carouse:
Divorced old barren Reason from my Bed,
And took the Daughter of the Vine to Spouse.

41
For "Is" and "Is-not" though with Rule and Line,
And "Up-and-down'' without, I could define,
I yet in all I only cared to know,
Was never deep in anything but--Wine.

42
And lately, by the Tavern Door agape,
Came stealing through the Dusk an Angel Shape
Bearing a Vessel on his Shoulder; and
He bid me taste of it; and 'twas--the Grape!

43
The Grape that can with Logic absolute
The Two-and-Seventy jarring Sects confute:
The subtle Alchemest that in a Trice
Life's leaden Metal into Gold transmute. p> 44
The mighty Mahmúd, the victorious Lord,
That all the misbelieving and black Horde
Of Fears and Sorrows that infest the Soul
Scatters and slays with his enchanted Sword.

45
But leave the Wise to wrangle, and with me
The Quarrel of the Universe let be:
And, in some corner of the Hubbub coucht,
Make Game of that which makes as much of Thee.

46
For in and out, above, about, below,
'Tis nothing but a Magic Shadow-show,
Play'd in a Box whose Candle is the Sun,
Round which we Phantom Figures come and go.

47
And if the Wine you drink, the Lip you press,
End in the Nothing all Things end in--Yes--
Then fancy while Thou art, Thou art but what
Thou shalt be--Nothing--Thou shalt not be less.

48
While the Rose blows along the River Brink,
With old Khayyám and ruby vintage drink:
And when the Angel with his darker Draught
Draws up to Thee--take that, and do not shrink.

49
'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days
Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays:
Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays,
And one by one back in the Closet lays.

50
The Ball no Question makes of Ayes and Noes,
But Right or Left, as strikes the Player goes;
And He that toss'd Thee down into the Field,
He knows about it all--He knows--HE knows!

51
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

52
And that inverted Bowl we call The Sky,
Whereunder crawling coop't we live and die,
Lift not thy hands to It for help--for It
Rolls impotently on as Thou or I.

53
With Earth's first Clay They did the Last Man's knead,
And then of the Last Harvest sow'd the Seed:
Yea, the first Morning of Creation wrote
What the Last Dawn of Reckoning shall read.

54
I tell Thee this--When, starting from the Goal,
Over the shoulders of the flaming Foal
Of Heav'n Parwín and Mushtarí they flung,
In my predestin'd Plot of Dust and Soul.

55
The Vine has struck a Fibre: which about
If clings my Being--let the Súfi flout;
Of my Base metal may be filed a Key,
That shall unlock the Door he howls without.

56
And this I know: whether the one True Light,
Kindle to Love, or Wrath, consume me quite,
One Glimpse of It within the Tavern caught
Better than in the Temple lost outright.

57
Oh Thou, who didst with Pitfall and with Gin
Beset the Road I was to wander in,
Thou will not with Predestination round
Enmesh me, and impute my Fall to Sin?

58
Oh, Thou, who Man of baser Earth didst make,
And who with Eden didst devise the Snake;
For all the Sin wherewith the Face of Man
Is blacken'd, Man's Forgiveness give--and take!

59
Listen again. One Evening at the Close
Of Ramazán, ere the better Moon arose,
In that old Potter's Shop I stood alone
With the clay Population round in Rows.

60
And, strange to tell, among that Earthen Lot
Some could articulate, while others not:
And suddenly one more impatient cried--
"Who is the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"

61
Then said another--"Surely not in vain
"My Substance from the common Earth was ta'en,
"That He who subtly wrought me into Shape
"Should stamp me back to common Earth again."

62
Another said--"Why, ne'er a peevish Boy,
"Would break the Bowl from which he drank in Joy;
"Shall He that made the Vessel in pure Love
"And Fansy, in an after Rage destroy?

63
None answer'd this; but after Silence spake
A Vessel of a more ungainly Make:
"They sneer at me for leaning al! awry;
"What! did the Hand then of the Potter shake!"

64
Said one-"Folks of a surly Tapster tell,
"And daub his Visage with the Smoke of Hell;
"They talk of some strict Testing of us---Pish!
"He's a Good Fellow, and 'twill all be well."

65
Then said another with a long-drawn Sigh,
"My Clay with long oblivion is gone dry:
"But, fill me with the old familiar Juice,
"Methinks I might recover by-and-bye!"

66
So while the Vessels one by one were speaking,
One spied the little Crescent all were seeking:
And then they jogg'd each other, "Brother! Brother!
"Hark to the Porter's Shoulder-knot a-creaking!"

67
Ah, with the Grape my fading Life provide,
And wash my Body whence the Life has died,
And in a Windingsheet of Vine-leaf wrapt,
So bury me by some sweet Garden-side.

68
That ev'n my buried Ashes such a Snare
Of Perfume shall fling up into the Air,
As not a True Believer passing by
But shall be overtaken unaware.

69
Indeed the Idols I have loved so long
Have done my Credit in Men's Eye much wrong:
Have drown'd my Honour in a shallow Cup,
And sold my Reputation for a Song.

70
Indeed, indeed, Repentance oft before
I swore but was I sober when I swore?
And then and then came Spring, and Rose-in-hand
My thread-bare Penitence apieces tore.

71
And much as Wine has play'd the Infidel,
And robb'd me of my Robe of Honour--well,
I often wonder what the Vintners buy
One half so precious as the Goods they sell.

72
Alas, that Spring should vanish with the Rose!
That Youth's sweet-scented Manuscript should close!
The Nightingale that in the Branches sang,
Ah, whence, and whither flown again, who knows!

73
Ah Love! could thou and I with Fate conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would not we shatter it to bits--and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!

74
Ah, Moon of my Delight who know'st no wane,
The Moon of Heav'n is rising once again:
How oft hereafter rising shall she look
Through this same Garden after me---in vain!

75
And when Thyself with shining Foot shall pass
Among the Guests Star-scatter'd on the Grass,
And in thy joyous Errand reach the Spot
Where I made one--turn down an empty Glass!

~Translated by Edward FitzGerald
First Edition 1859* * Back to Top

 

[Sins666]

Its eros and aros maybe? Although I may be mixing that up with greek.

 

[tolyk]

Its eros and aros maybe? Although I may be mixing that up with greek.

I do believe it stemmed from Greek, but my memory is very shoddy, which is why I started this thread. I was very interested in the poetry but the class I attended only lasted half an hour (it was at a Medieval event) and I barely recall anything that was discussed.

And yes Aros sounds right I remember Eros because at the time I knew someone with the name Ero..

 

[BooMerengue]

When you hear hoofbeats, think of a zebra.​

an ancient Sufi saying...

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Finally I suspect that some of Lauren Hyndes poetry especially her more recent work may have been influenced by a study of Mystical traditions. A sort of post modern mystic! I could be totally wrong though because she is a complex many layered writer.

You're not wrong.

I'll elaborate on it in due time.

 

[*Catbabe*]

Thank you Angeline, I have indeed heard of, and read some, Rumi. The reading covered a few of his poems, but it was more than a reading really.. They discussed the history and concept of sufi poetry.

It is indeed spiritual, but not always From what I learned there are two types of Love which these poems discuss, spiritual and physical. I can't remember the words they used for them, though I think one was Eros, and the other started with an "A".

The link looks great, I shall read through it more tonight however.

I don't know for sure within this context, but I would suspect the word you are thinking of is agape.

 

[tolyk]

I don't know for sure within this context, but I would suspect the word you are thinking of is agape.

That's it

 

[Sins666]

I do believe it stemmed from Greek, but my memory is very shoddy, which is why I started this thread. I was very interested in the poetry but the class I attended only lasted half an hour (it was at a Medieval event) and I barely recall anything that was discussed.

And yes Aros sounds right I remember Eros because at the time I knew someone with the name Ero..

Well awesome if I'm correct. I went out and spent about an hour sifting sufi sites and found that most are for joinning sufi based cults or religous organizations. Very little on the actually poetic style.

 

[champagne1982]

my favourite Rumi quote... "In your light, I learned how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest where no one sees you, but sometimes I do and that sight becomes this art."

 

[Angeline]

my favourite Rumi quote... "In your light, I learned how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest where no one sees you, but sometimes I do and that sight becomes this art."

Beautiful quote.

Hiya champ.

 

[champagne1982]

A very Rumi oriented site Rumi


edited to add: Hi Ange