Suffocation?

[Valley Lilly]

I wonder if anyone here has tried suffocation during sex...plastic bags, or choking...

 

[catalina_francisco]

I wonder if anyone here has tried suffocation during sex...plastic bags, or choking...

Yep.....was a hard limit for me but has become a craving now. Is not something to try with the inexperienced though and requires plenty of monitoring etc.

Catalina

 

[Hansavich]

My exgirl friend was really into it, then she did it to me and i learned why she enjoyed it so...

 

[James G 5]

I will NOT go on a rant
I will NOT go on a rant

Short answer, 2 friends have died this way, a third is in what they call a "persistent vegitative state"

If you want a rant, go find my post on the punching & kicking thread about levels of acceptable risk & people who seek out that which will harm them

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

I'm with James on this one (rant away James, why not??)

I have serious issues with breath play.

It's a good way to get dead or permanently comatose. The RN in me won't let me sit here and not say nothing.

Here is the the Library entry on

Breath Play.

Some interesting discussion there as well.

~anelize

 

[WriterDom]

It's a good way to get dead or permanently comatose. The RN in me won't let me sit here and not say nothing.

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RNs rock.

 

[niteshade]

I have researched this a little, and outside of the dead or comatose aspect, I have no desire to have my voice ruined for life, or have to wear a tube in my throat to breath. So, while it was done to me before I knew better, and I enjoyed it... it will never happen again.

edited cause I can't spell.

 

[James G 5]

By the way, Michael Hutchense from INXS (popular 80's band) died this way...like what happened with one of my friends, at first they tried to say it was suicide
When they found the truth out later, they brought murder charges against his girlfriend till it was proved she'd just been present & he'd done the suffocating himself
The friend I know who went that way's boyfriend HAD been doing it & he ended up getting manslaughter 3...6 months in prison, probation, and a felony conviction on his record for life

 

[catalina_francisco]

By the way, Michael Hutchense from INXS (popular 80's band) died this way...like what happened with one of my friends, at first they tried to say it was suicide
When they found the truth out later, they brought murder charges against his girlfriend till it was proved she'd just been present & he'd done the suffocating himself
The friend I know who went that way's boyfriend HAD been doing it & he ended up getting manslaughter 3...6 months in prison, probation, and a felony conviction on his record for life

Unfortunately Mike was alone, under the influence of drugs, and severly depressed at the time....but yes, this is why I said it requires careful monitoring. For us, we do not carry it to levels of unconsciousness or anywhere near, and is also not a common practice, but one still the same, and in some ways was good for me in overcoming some long held fears I had carried all my life.

Catalina

 

[James G 5]

Unfortunately Mike was alone, under the influence of drugs, and severly depressed at the time....but yes, this is why I said it requires careful monitoring. For us, we do not carry it to levels of unconsciousness or anywhere near, and is also not a common practice, but one still the same, and in some ways was good for me in overcoming some long held fears I had carried all my life.

Catalina

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The stories I read indicated (after the fact) that his model girlfriend was present and it was a regular part of their sex play

I guess this is one of those things where I know how easy it is for it to go wrong, even with careful monitoring & experience

The other death I mentioned occured when the subject had massive spontaneous heart failure sparked by brief lack of oxygen (also not to the point of unconsciousness)
That day it just happened to trip his trigger

There's FAR too much that could go wrong

 

[catalina_francisco]

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The stories I read indicated (after the fact) that his model girlfriend was present and it was a regular part of their sex play

I guess this is one of those things where I know how easy it is for it to go wrong, even with careful monitoring & experience

The other death I mentioned occured when the subject had massive spontaneous heart failure sparked by brief lack of oxygen (also not to the point of unconsciousness)
That day it just happened to trip his trigger

There's FAR too much that could go wrong

No, he was home in Oz preparing to go on tour, away from his de facto in UK, Paula Yates, who could not join him with their child for Christmas due to the legal difficulties Sir Bob was incurring....his last calls not long before his death were from Paula telling him she would not be able to join him due to the legal shit, and his call to Bob to give him a piece of his mind and beg he rethink his actions, and a former girlfriend he had remained friends with. Wish we could turn the clock back as apart from the waste, I selfishly miss the music and persona of Michael who had just begun a new and productive phase of his life, but it is life as unfortunate as it is, and though the tradgedy continued with Paula's death, it seems Bob has shown his better side by raising Tiger with his and Paula's daughters as one of his own and giving her a sense of who her real father was, and his talent. Is a strange twist with an even stranger outcome which shows sometimes good can come from bad.....back to topic though...

And yes, I know the risks, and is part of why we do not go as far as many, but then for me there are risks in many things I do but I choose to live while I am here and not let my fears rule me. If I did, I would never travel, never leave the house (which can still incur risk), never venture anything as life itself is full of risks these days and I have watched my mother live her life, lamentng all the opportunities she let pass by, while still letting them pass by and feeling sorry for herself. I also have had friends die in motorcycle accidents, but my love of motorcycling could not be suppressed to completley eradicate them from my fun times, but I am careful about who I ride with, make sure I never ride without protective clothing etc.

See, although these things are risks, so are such things as sky diving, climbing mountains, flying helicoptors and planes etc., but to avoid them because of the risk factor is limiting your life experience. I also guess I believe a lot in though you can change things to a degree and need to think before doing anything, when it is your time it is your time, and whether it be today, or next year, or 40 years from now, I want to enjoy it as much as I can in the time I have been given....and learn the whole time I am doing it.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Computers.....sheesh!!

 

[Valley Lilly]

It's just a fantasy, just that. I've never done it.....but it turns me on to think about it.

 

[Desdemona]

It's just a fantasy, just that. I've never done it.....but it turns me on to think about it.

Best to leave it at the fantasy level. We occasionally play with it a bit, but it is always a light touch on my throat... never enough to cut off my ability to breathe or to damage anything. I just like feeling His hand touching me there.

 

[AttentionWhore]

The concept of suffocation or breath play during sex scares the HELL out of me. I did have a bf who once put his hands around my throat while we were having sex. That was the last time we were intimate. During orgasm, I do hold my breath at times but that is on accident and by my choice. I've only passed out once from holding my breath (it was during a helicopter ride, a totally different story). After that adventure, my chest hurt for days. I'm open minded about most things, but this is a VERY hard limit for me.

 

[Avery_Chisholm]

I've also tried it but lover did it 2 hard 1 time and I thought that my eyes would pop out of my head for 2 wks after so needless to say he's been alittle hestitant about trying it again

 

[James G 5]

I'd looked up the info on Hutchence before I logged in tonight Catalina, and you're 100% right
(See, I CAN admit when I'm wrong )

And I agree with the idea of acceptable risk and living your life...Like I said in the punching/kicking thread, I skydive

But looking at levels of risk in certain things makes some of them, breath play high up on that list, beyond the pale
I knowa LOT of jumpers, including stunt & base jumpers, and I dont' knwo anyone personally who has died, vs 2 dead & 1 permanently impaired that I know personally just in my local community (and plenty more that I know of elsewhere)
I also dive, but I won't cave dive...there again, too many people I know have died. The risk corsses the line in to unacceptable.

Much as my knowledge of anatomy & extensive study of martial arts has shown me that there's really no such thing as a "safe" kick or punch, my reading & experience on this subject has made it seem there is no "safe" level at which to deprive someone of oxygen for even "brief" periods when as little as 30 seconds of deprivation can cause damage. If you think about sleep apnea, which has been shown to contribute to all sorts of health problems, such as triggering heart attacks, it's basicaly brief occasional oxygen disruption. At any time, the wrong cutoff can kill with no warning. In fact, diving and the extensive drilling on oxygen dep has driven this home

Part of the issue that develops in many things is the need for more & more, deeper & deeper sensation & levels...for some people, as I said before, I think it's an issue of something within themselves that makes them seek harm to themselves, even to the point of their own deaths...for others, I think they get so deep in to seeking "more" and wanting to go "further" they lose sight of rationality in their quest
And that is the one point at which I will say that, IMHO, someone is WRONG...Harm none DOES include one's self, and we are all too precious to waste in such a fashion

But that's just me

 

[s'lara]

It is something i have always been interested in, but completely terrified of in a way that has made it a hard limit.

Edge play activities like this are ... well, they are risky. i guess that is the allure. Not all breath play situations have to end in death or a "persistent vegatative state", but there is the possibility of long term damage if you consistently cut off oxygen to the brain for extended periods of time. No, unconsciousness does not have to be the end result in order for the damage to occur.

Here is a link to Jay Wiseman's essay on breath play and he makes some valid points.

http://www.thebrc.net/articles/JayWiseman/breath_control_play_jw.shtml

Good luck to those involved in the activity and for those just venturing into this realm of play, please be very careful.

lara

 

[catalina_francisco]

Breath play comes in many degrees and varieties. There are many dangers lurking in almost anything we do in BDSM. For example knife play is considered by many to be extreme and a hard limit for many. I am not a stranger to risk and risk management, it is my daily bread, although then of course it is risk calculation for others.

It is a fantasy to think that we can eliminate all dangerous elements out of BDSM for everyone. Knowledge is the key to managing the risk equation, knowledge about what can go wrong and what can be avoided by taking precautions. We live in a society where many things have been accepted as acceptable risk and where most people are not even aware of the risk they are taking. To me that is the deadliest of sins, be aware of what you are doing, and be aware of the risks.

Breath control is something we all have done, even maybe without realizing it. Every time a person dives under water and holds their breath they are performing breath control. They are restricting the flow of oxygen the body gets and are building carbon dioxide in their body. There is no real guaranteed way of eliminating risks if participating in breath play. Risk management however is not necessarily eliminating all risk but being aware of the risks you take. Forewarned is Forearmed.

There are always going to be people who are going to experiment with breath play, people who do not have any information always tend to underestimate the risks or overestimate the risk which is why it is important to inform people, give accurate and complete information with all pro’s and con’s.

I have a limited practical experience with breath play, my experience exists mostly out of putting my hands over the mouth and nose of my partner and controlling the flow of air. The longest period I have cut of air has been no longer then 15 seconds; I am sure though that Catalina has thought it to be much longer. Taking into account that the average person can hold their breath for at least 30 seconds it is not really going close to the edge. The attraction is the sense of power it gives me.

I would like to offer a more interesting and more complete link on breath play. The article offered by the link given by S’Lara is interesting to read but I think it is too limiting to offer any real useability. Here is a link to a series of articles that offer a more in depth view to breath play.

http://www.datenschlag.org/howto/atem/english/info.html

Francisco.

 

[ownedsubgal]

yes, it's a part of our sexuality at times....it began by him occasionally pinching my nose shut with his fingers while his cock was shoved deep in my throat, and holding that for a few seconds, gradually increasing those seconds as we did it more. i remember how scary it was to me back then and how i craved that fear...till then i had never considered the possibility that one could be choked to death by a cock.

sometimes he'll put a pillow over my face or wrap a towel/sheet around my head tightly during intercourse....He especially likes to do that right in those moments before he cums, hard and deep. i adore it....it removes the humanity and tenderness from the situation because my face is covered, and then i must struggle to breathe, or cannot breathe at all, for a few moments. it puts me in such awe of his power over me. and then of course there are the times he chokes me with his hand during a soft, lovingly tender kiss...just squeezes harder and harder until i start to grow dizzy, and my chest begins to ache with the struggle for air...and he will only kiss deeper and squeeze harder, until i begin to grow limp in his arms and then he will release his hand but the kiss will go on.....god i love that.

yes, it's risky. no it's not "SSC" (thank goodness). but it can be so beautiful and precious and loving and INTENSE...and for me anyway, is such a tangible reminder that even my very life's breath, is in his control. literally, in his hands.

 

[catalina_francisco]

osg, a slave's understanding ...by the way did you get my PM?

Catalina

 

[James G 5]

Wiseman's article is "limiting"? Becuase it describes the all-too-real dangers, especially the specific one I mentioned of cardiac arrest even after 1 session?

Wiseman also notes that of the "edge play" activities this is THE one that can't be taught safely. I've met Jay, he knows his stuff, and he backs it up medically, as does the Domme who was my Mentor & is also a medicla professional who's fdealth with the aftermath of people who wanted to go there.

*shrug*

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I wonder if anyone here has tried suffocation during sex...plastic bags, or choking...

Yes, I have. I loved it but it has to be done properly. For me, it's the intensity of it during scening or even during Regular play. I have tried it with hands, scarves and even a leather belt. The person Doing the choking has got to be careful, that's for sure.

just my 2 cents
lil girl

*hi James*

edited due to misplaced words

 

[James G 5]

Re: Re: Suffocation?

Yes, I have. I loved it but it has to be done properly. For me, it's the intensity of it during scening or even during Regular play. I have tried it with hands, scarves and even a leather belt. The person who Doing the choking has got to be careful, that's for sure.

just my 2 cents
lil girl

*hi James*

No breath play here, sorry
Can't I just set you on fire?

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Re: Re: Re: Suffocation?

No breath play here, sorry
Can't I just set you on fire?

ummm all of me...or will You leave my mouth and nether regions alone???