Subjective Evaluation

[twelveoone]

as a Set evaluation

We've had a rare occurrence of a poem recommended by three people, A,B,C, what I suggested to the person of talent was to consider how closely are the three aligned, how similar are the writing styles of each.

Outside of a little overlap, quite different I would think.



What is your subjective evaluation of their talents?
I cannot speak of B - that would be too subjective on my part, but A and C are quite good (my subjective evaluation) but the receiver of the recommend should take on that task.

Way to go Harry!
keep up the good work

That BTW is a reasonable way to evaluate comments, which are all subjective regardless of how they try not to be.

 

[HarryHill]

as a Set evaluation

We've had a rare occurrence of a poem recommended by three people, A,B,C, what I suggested to the person of talent was to consider how closely are the three aligned, how similar are the writing styles of each.

Outside of a little overlap, quite different I would think.



What is your subjective evaluation of their talents?
I cannot speak of B - that would be too subjective on my part, but A and C are quite good (my subjective evaluation) but the receiver of the recommend should take on that task.

Way to go Harry!
keep up the good work

That BTW is a reasonable way to evaluate comments, which are all subjective regardless of how they try not to be.

This rung thing sux, I'd retreat but it's further down than up, just hope there's a window I can crawl in above. I guess I should say to ALL of you a humble thanks.
*delete*
What am I doing that works? How can poetry be such a blessing and a curse?
I walked down the hill today? everything is downhill from Harry's house.
and the spring is there as I described it. Should I evaluate myself, or smile and keep writing?

 

[bogusagain]

. Should I evaluate myself, or smile and keep writing?

Listening to opinion is one thing, respecting someone's opinion is another, acting on that opinion or not is another.

BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER LET SOMEONE TELL YOU WHAT GOOD CULTURE IS!

 

[HarryHill]

Listening to opinion is one thing, respecting someone's opinion is another, acting on that opinion or not is another.

BUT NEVER NEVER NEVER LET SOMEONE TELL YOU WHAT GOOD CULTURE IS!

Had to go look at what definition I preferred best and decided that it's all good.
Anything you'd like to say or ask while 12 has my neck exposed?

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

as a Set evaluation

We've had a rare occurrence of a poem recommended by three people, A,B,C, what I suggested to the person of talent was to consider how closely are the three aligned, how similar are the writing styles of each.

Outside of a little overlap, quite different I would think.



What is your subjective evaluation of their talents?
I cannot speak of B - that would be too subjective on my part, but A and C are quite good (my subjective evaluation) but the receiver of the recommend should take on that task.

Way to go Harry!
keep up the good work

That BTW is a reasonable way to evaluate comments, which are all subjective regardless of how they try not to be.

Not to mention some fan-mail in the Comments Department. WTG HH.

 

[HarryHill]

Not to mention some fan-mail in the Comments Department. WTG HH.

..
Thank you Tess. lol, the subject needs most the credit; those ruins of varied antiquity that kept perishables cool during the summer months, built with massive slabs of stone that hold the chill of water ascending from the earth.

I really should go take a photograph of it as it sits, share, then your own words would come bubbling up the sweet water, unadulterated by the hand of man. Winter would be the perfect time to do it, but... *delete*

ETA: there is another perhaps a quarter mile away, but it makes me sad in its ruin beside the road with no trees to shelter it.

Thanks again.

 

[todski28]

you deserve the credit for creating a tension and palpable sense of foreboding in the word structures, the disquiet lingers a while after reading it is a remarkable piece. I annoned it a 5 but had no words to give, I am glad that those better than I gave your piece the words it deserved!

 

[butters]

you deserve the credit for creating a tension and palpable sense of foreboding in the word structures, the disquiet lingers a while after reading it is a remarkable piece. I annoned it a 5 but had no words to give, I am glad that those better than I gave your piece the words it deserved!

absolutely this.

sometimes something just works in a way to appeal across the spectrum. this piece does exactly that.

 

[HarryHill]

you deserve the credit for creating a tension and palpable sense of foreboding in the word structures, the disquiet lingers a while after reading it is a remarkable piece. I annoned it a 5 but had no words to give, I am glad that those better than I gave your piece the words it deserved!

Thanks Tod, like I told Tess, you have to be there to feel the weight of stones pressing around you, and I have stood in the center with the top of the walls high over my head. It would take an earthquake to move the blocks, but the feeling of uncomfortable closeness fills me and I am not normally affected that way in close quarters.

Those better than you? merely travelers a little farther down a path; keep walking, trying to catch up myself.

 

[HarryHill]

absolutely this.

sometimes something just works in a way to appeal across the spectrum. this piece does exactly that.

Missed this... Thank you. You said it yourself tonight ...that place where words take over and leave the body behind (paraphrasing) Thank you for sharing that. Waiting to read your next.

 

[twelveoone]

This rung thing sux, I'd retreat but it's further down than up, just hope there's a window I can crawl in above. I guess I should say to ALL of you a humble thanks.
*delete*
What am I doing that works? How can poetry be such a blessing and a curse?
I walked down the hill today? everything is downhill from Harry's house.
and the spring is there as I described it. Should I evaluate myself, or smile and keep writing?

Fuck you Harry, I've retired.
But here goes
It is a quest. whether you know it or not. Get the reader to the end, make the reader go back.
How is this different than the standard fare?
Does it have movement?
How does the title change or add to the meaning of the poem?
These are more questions, here are some answers
Should I evaluate myself?
constantly, unless you want to write whip ass sonnets for the rest of your life
or smile?
Ange and Tess are good writers and everybody knows I'm a prick, and we don't have that similar of a style, it's a good spread I would have an idiot grin if I were you.
keep writing?
Fuck you, Harry, I see something like that, I want to write, and I really don't want to, going downhill is one thing, the abyss is another, you wanting (water) is one thing, seeing nothing is another.
Read William James, Frost did.
You can never really put your finger on Frost, in your poem it is difficult, ie. you think you see, but there is always a hint of more. Really good poetry is like that.
The really good shit is in your subconscious, the skill is conscious but it should never be made overt, you have to let the reader assemble it and come back a little short, very similar to what Senna says, but without the numbers.
Keep writing, unless you come to a big hole in the ground. Then you turn around before you see the smile.
Oh and BTW
Fuck you, (three's the charm)
KEEP WRITING!
Hope that helps in some way.

 

[twelveoone]

Had to go look at what definition I preferred best and decided that it's all good.
Anything you'd like to say or ask while 12 has my neck exposed?

better your neck, than your dick
which is half of new poems

which is different than the standard fare

 

[Angeline]

Here's the thing, Harry: you wrote a really good poem. Poems like yours are not produced by chance. Whatever skill and "poeticness" you achieved in it has been developing in you. I like to think the pressure cooker of this forum helps that process along, but it's all there in you. And it's not the first time you've written something of this quality so that says to me, "this guy has real talent." Of course talent and good poetry intersect with lots of practice, so absolutely you should keep writing.

When your poetry is on target (and that is happening more and more with it imho), I see a great balance between lyricism and a kind of natural conversational quality. That's a great strength for you.

Your poem would be a great one for the interview with a poem thread--if you're so inclined--but I am wondering for now which non-Lit poets you really like or feel influence you? Just wondering.

Ok. Must stop procrastinating and go peel sweet potatoes!

 

[HarryHill]

Too slow sis

 

[twelveoone]

This rung thing sux, I'd retreat but it's further down than up, just hope there's a window I can crawl in above. I guess I should say to ALL of you a humble thanks.
*delete*
What am I doing that works? How can poetry be such a blessing and a curse?
I walked down the hill today? everything is downhill from Harry's house.
and the spring is there as I described it. Should I evaluate myself, or smile and keep writing?

recalcitrant ass here Harry. Interesting in thinking about what you did right, I found a potential problem in mine.
Keep in mind, an important element in "right" is merely luck. The "right" person(s) has to read it.

incoming PM with an explanation of why it worked for me.

 

[HarryHill]

recalcitrant ass here Harry. Interesting in thinking about what you did right, I found a potential problem in mine.
Keep in mind, an important element in "right" is merely luck. The "right" person(s) has to read it.

incoming PM with an explanation of why it worked for me.

Thanks for the pm 12. "The "right" person(s) has to read it." One of your earliest question to me and others has always been "who is your audience?" and I would have to reply at this late date that it has always been myself, simple as that, and as complicated.
You referred to this poem as a Pastoral and immediately thought about returning to others that may fit the genre and look to see what I may have done 'wrong' in them. As always your words bring more questions than answers, delightful.

 

[twelveoone]

you deserve the credit for creating a tension and palpable sense of foreboding in the word structures, the disquiet lingers a while after reading it is a remarkable piece. I annoned it a 5 but had no words to give, I am glad that those better than I gave your piece the words it deserved!

this does no good, not for Harry, not for you, especially since you found the words here.
WTF are you afraid of looking dumb? Take a look around you - sock puppets galore.
Just as their is always someone better, their is always someone worse and never never stopped me, and WTF I was never a bouncer.

BTW that is there not their, I know that

 

[twelveoone]

Thanks for the pm 12. "The "right" person(s) has to read it." One of your earliest question to me and others has always been "who is your audience?" and I would have to reply at this late date that it has always been myself, simple as that, and as complicated.
You referred to this poem as a Pastoral and immediately thought about returning to others that may fit the genre and look to see what I may have done 'wrong' in them. As always your words bring more questions than answers, delightful.

if

you are
I am

you are seeing the paradoxes
or two ducks which ever comes first

 

[todski28]

this does no good, not for Harry, not for you, especially since you found the words here.
WTF are you afraid of looking dumb? Take a look around you - sock puppets galore.
Just as their is always someone better, their is always someone worse and never never stopped me, and WTF I was never a bouncer.

BTW that is there not their, I know that

Not afraid, I look stupid on a regular basis, it often takes a day or two and a read or two before I formulate much out of a read, there are three pieces I want to put comments on now but they are maybe a few days away based on time restrictions and a brain that runs through mollases in the most cliched way as possible.

 

[twelveoone]

Agreed, but is it a good poem?

re: your comment
because one is such a lonely number
and oneiria did not want to kill you with pathos or irony

Seriously ishtat is that a good question? Consider the audience. There are like five people here that have somewhat of a capability for tearing a poem apart and two of them operate from fixed positions on a set of assumptions that are not valid across the wide spectrum of poetry.

Actually, it is a good question, ishtat, one that bears repeating over and over again. Sadly most say, but make little attempt to show.

Reading oneiria's poem, perhaps the gorilla was thinking of fecal matter toss as social commentary, but gave up on it because the point would be sadly missed. Perhaps, I'm reading too much into it.
So I'll narrow it down a bit to a simple question, why does oneiria submit so much and comment so little. To paraphrase...
...two bright eyes

watch you and ask,
Why?
Why?
Why?
off course one could replace oneiria with a multitude of names, like you know who you are

 

[butters]

perhaps the gorilla was thinking of fecal matter toss as social commentary, but gave up on it because the point would be sadly missed. Perhaps, I'm reading too much into it.

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