Strike branding - anyone with actual direct experience?

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Hypothetically, I am interested in how one brands a human. The area to be branded is fine, delicate skin over muscle, with not a lot of subcutaneous fat. The brand would be contained in an area 50mm by 75mm. Consider that this is research for a story I'm working on, but that nevertheless I want to get the detail right.

I'm talking specifically about strike-branding - that is, branding by the application of an intensely hot (or, possibly, intensely cold) implement to the skin. This form of marking has a drama and theatricality to it which (for example) tattooing simply lacks. And for that reason I'm not interested in branding with a cauterising pencil, or with incense applied to the skin, or any other less dramatic approach. It has to be the dramatic application of hot metal to a bound victim.

Obviously one needs to cause enough injury to cause permanent scarring (that is, second or third degree burn), without causing enough injury to have serious medical side effects. A branding that leads only to a few short-lived blisters would be a severe anti-climax for the person branded, but at the same rime one would not want to cause muscular or organ damage.

Equally obviously, there are three variables which together control the degree of injury:

  1. The heat (or cold) of the implement
  2. The thermal mass of the implement (how quickly it cools)
  3. The period for which it's in contact with the skin.
I've been researching this on the web the last few days, and there's an incredible amount of bullshit and not a lot of solid information.

'Fakir', who appears to be an experienced practitioner quotes branding temperatures which are actually impossible, because they're above the melting point of steel, but in the same sentence talks about 'cherry orange-red', which implies only 7-800 degrees Celsius.

Modern body-mod branders also say that a shaped iron which applies a complete design in one application cannot be used, but museums are full of actual real examples of branding irons which did exactly that (it's likely, though, that modern body-mod branders care a great deal more about the evenness of the final image than people branding slaves and criminals in the past). I think for my purposes I prefer the one strike approach even if the scarring is uneven to the one-segment-at-a-time approach advocated here.

And a lot of people seem to be recounting material from the Gorean books as if they were true accounts. In the books white-hot metal is applied to the skin for a count of five seconds - I am not at all persuaded that this is at all safe (yes, I know branding isn't safe anyway, but there are degrees of unsafe).

I've found one good account of freeze branding which seems to be real experience. It describes a quite chunky iron (so lots of thermal mass), dry ice, and a 60 second application. If I can't find anything better that may have to do, but I'd prefer heat.

So - has anyone actually done branding (or had it done to them)? For how long was the implement in contact with the skin? What colour was the glow of the implement before it contacted the skin, and had the colour changed significantly before it was removed?

How long was the healing period?
 
There is a video on youtube that shows and describes it. Heat a piece of steel to 1000 degrees celsius and touch it to the skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgi2CRQPgrA

search for "flesh branding" and or scarification.

fakir talks about 2400 degrees fahrenheit while most other discussions talk about the temperature in celsius

2400 degree F. is 1,315 Celsius so the youtube video talking about 1000 degrees celsius and fakir talking about 2400 F seem to be in the same ballpark.
 
You might try looking through this thread - I know Francisco initially did cuttings on Catalina, but I can't remember if he ever did a brand or not... in the back of my mind I think he did, but it's been a few years...
 
There is a video on youtube that shows and describes it. Heat a piece of steel to 1000 degrees celsius and touch it to the skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgi2CRQPgrA

search for "flesh branding" and or scarification.

fakir talks about 2400 degrees fahrenheit while most other discussions talk about the temperature in celsius

2400 degree F. is 1,315 Celsius so the youtube video talking about 1000 degrees celsius and fakir talking about 2400 F seem to be in the same ballpark.

You might try looking through this thread - I know Francisco initially did cuttings on Catalina, but I can't remember if he ever did a brand or not... in the back of my mind I think he did, but it's been a few years...

Thanks both.

Yes, I know 2400F is 1315C; the problem is that steel melts at 1300C, making this a slightly dodgy temperature! 1000 is a bright orange red and is believable.
 
'Fakir', who appears to be an experienced practitioner quotes branding temperatures which are actually impossible, because they're above the melting point of steel, but in the same sentence talks about 'cherry orange-red', which implies only 7-800 degrees Celsius.

fakir talks about 2400 degrees fahrenheit while most other discussions talk about the temperature in celsius

Listen to everything Fakir Musafar talks about. The man's a walking encyclopedia of body modification. Fucking brilliant in this arena.
 
Freeze branding with dry ice? I wouldn't think that'd be cold enough, would it? Admittedly, I have zero experience in this area, but I know when they freeze-brand livestock, they use liquid nitrogen. I guess that might be too cold for delicate human tissues, though.
 
(refraining from animal-rights comment because there's no need ;) )
 
Yes, F branded me. You are right, there is a lot of BS online about it. Speaking from personal experience, the stories people tell of how they screamed with the pain etc., either are because the temperatire was not hot enough to create a permanent brand or sheer fantasy because if done right, the heat of the iron causes deadening in all nerve endings beneath the skin immediately. You don't even feel an initial burning sensation....nothing at all. I had a fairly heavy cold at the time, but F said the room had an incredibly strong aroma of burned flesh for quite some time which he said was not pleasant. I do recall hearing the sizzle as it was applied. I also was not bound...felt the heat as he came closer, then felt nothing. LOL, for a moment I thought it had been a mindfuck on his part and he had stopped at the last minute.:D

Catalina
 
Yes, F branded me. You are right, there is a lot of BS online about it. Speaking from personal experience, the stories people tell of how they screamed with the pain etc., either are because the temperatire was not hot enough to create a permanent brand or sheer fantasy because if done right, the heat of the iron causes deadening in all nerve endings beneath the skin immediately. You don't even feel an initial burning sensation....nothing at all. I had a fairly heavy cold at the time, but F said the room had an incredibly strong aroma of burned flesh for quite some time which he said was not pleasant. I do recall hearing the sizzle as it was applied. I also was not bound...felt the heat as he came closer, then felt nothing. LOL, for a moment I thought it had been a mindfuck on his part and he had stopped at the last minute.:D

Catalina

Thanks, Cat, that is very interesting and useful. Can you (or can F) remember the colour which the metal glowed at the time it was applied? Could you estimate the mass (weight) of the implement used? How big was the area of the implement that was applied yo your skin (length and width)? How long was it in contact?

Thanks again.

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How long was your period of healing, and were there any complications? How clear is the impression now? Was the brand on a sensitive part of your body?

The brand I am considering is close to very sensitive areas, which I would NOT wish to harm!

Finally, do you feel the brand has added an emotional bond to your relationship more intense than, say, a tattoo, or is it more or less just another body mod? Would being bound have added to or detracted from the experience? I'm not talking about branding someone who is actually unwilling, but a bound victim is part of the scene as I imagine it.
 
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Haven't done one-strike branding, but I have done multi-strike micro-branding. I heated the implement to a nice orange and that seemed to work best. As it was a dental pick, the mass was too low to really hold the heat for long, so it had to be done pretty quickly. Still, if I heated it to a yellow-orange, I could get a few seconds of draw on the flesh.

A couple that I know did a strike branding a few years ago. She had the brand custom made of some sort of thick sheet steel bent into shape and brazed to a steel rod handle. It was heated to a strong orange and pressed into the skin.

Much like Catalina, he didn't feel all that much at all. The removal was apparently more painful than the application because the brand stuck to his flesh a bit.
 
Haven't done one-strike branding, but I have done multi-strike micro-branding. I heated the implement to a nice orange and that seemed to work best. As it was a dental pick, the mass was too low to really hold the heat for long, so it had to be done pretty quickly. Still, if I heated it to a yellow-orange, I could get a few seconds of draw on the flesh.

A couple that I know did a strike branding a few years ago. She had the brand custom made of some sort of thick sheet steel bent into shape and brazed to a steel rod handle. It was heated to a strong orange and pressed into the skin.

Much like Catalina, he didn't feel all that much at all. The removal was apparently more painful than the application because the brand stuck to his flesh a bit.
They forgot to use PAM? I would love to know more about healing time though... I am planning on a strike brand as well as tattooing in the near future and I need to know how uncomfortable it will be and for how long so I can decide if i am doing both on the same day.
 
A couple that I know did a strike branding a few years ago. She had the brand custom made of some sort of thick sheet steel bent into shape and brazed to a steel rod handle. It was heated to a strong orange and pressed into the skin.

Homburg, could you possibly ask these people how well the image has healed, and if it is (for them) adequately clear and recognisable for what it was intended to be?

This is the way I'd really like to do it, but not if it risks making a permanent mess on someone I care about.
 
No need to ask how well it has healed because I've seen it. It is clear. That has more to do with the person's skin type and healing than anything else.
 
Can you (or can F) remember the colour which the metal glowed at the time it was applied?

Unfortunately, I can't remember. I know it was glowing red at one point, but suspect that was when I stopped watching him heating it and began to hope I would be able to hold still when he did it. I remember the feeling if heat as he approached though.:eek:

Could you estimate the mass (weight) of the implement used? How big was the area of the implement that was applied yo your skin (length and width)? How long was it in contact?

Not sure about weight....am hopeless at estimating those things. I think it is about 3-4 inches high and 2-3 wide. He made it out of twisted wire which made it thicker than a single strand would have been. He only held it on for 2-3 seconds which was recommended in most of the things we read.



How long was your period of healing, and were there any complications? How clear is the impression now? Was the brand on a sensitive part of your body?

It is on my butt, hence the problem with photographing it as I am the photographer around here. We have a couple of shots he has taken, but not as clear as I would like. From memory, the healing took around 3-4 weeks. He used various means of creating some pain in the area from very shortly after doing it....flogging, spanking etc. When healing really got underway, the itching invloved nearly drove me nuts.


1 week after the branding

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=574542&d=1133953494

Pretty much what it looks like these days (sorry about the quality and size of shot)

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=720408&d=1168812013


Finally, do you feel the brand has added an emotional bond to your relationship more intense than, say, a tattoo, or is it more or less just another body mod? Would being bound have added to or detracted from the experience? I'm not talking about branding someone who is actually unwilling, but a bound victim is part of the scene as I imagine it.

I certainly felt it added an emotional bond. I had issues about scarring due to a fairly disfiguring surgical scar I have always hated, so it was not something I felt comfortable doing with just anyone, nor without a lot of commitment from both of us to the relationship. I still feel the same. I do think tattoos can be very intense as well, though they are removeable if need be whereas the brand cannot.

For us, my not being bound added another dimension to the experience. If I had been bound, it would not have required any physical and in part, psychological effort to complete the process. Not being bound meant I had to fight my instinct to run, had to control myself to remain perfectly still, which for us was in a way submitting in a more direct way than if I had been able to use the bonds to keep me there.

I wish you well in your writing, and it is great you are doing the research to add some authenticty and not fuel the myths that abound.:rose:

Catalina
 
No need to ask how well it has healed because I've seen it. It is clear. That has more to do with the person's skin type and healing than anything else.

Thanks.

It is on my butt, hence the problem with photographing it as I am the photographer around here. We have a couple of shots he has taken, but not as clear as I would like. From memory, the healing took around 3-4 weeks. He used various means of creating some pain in the area from very shortly after doing it....flogging, spanking etc. When healing really got underway, the itching invloved nearly drove me nuts.


1 week after the branding

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=574542&d=1133953494

Pretty much what it looks like these days (sorry about the quality and size of shot)

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=720408&d=1168812013

Wow! That's beautifully clear! Much better than I had anticipated.

I wish you well in your writing, and it is great you are doing the research to add some authenticty and not fuel the myths that abound.:rose:

Very many thanks for all your help :D I expect there will be a story to be told! :devil:
 
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