Story Themes You Rarely See

[RetroFan]

If aliens from Outer Space were studying Earth and trying to understand humans by reading Literotica stories, they would think that homo sapiens were very strange creatures indeed especially if they read the Incest/Taboo section.

In this section (and in other sections too) you can find erotic stories between mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, grandparents, half-siblings, adopted siblings, step-relatives and in-laws. The aliens would probably be perplexed by all these intimate interactions between people who are related, and if only using Literotica as a point of reference, think all humans behave like this and Earth best avoided.

While aliens probably aren't studying humans using Literotica, for those who like Incest stories there is no end of these stories on the site involving many different taboo couplings. Yet never once have I ever seen a story about foster siblings, for example a guy and girl who were fostered together in their teens meet up again by chance in their 20s and become lovers.

There may well be foster sibling stories on Lit that weren't tagged as such and lost among the many works on the site, but if there is, I couldn't find them. I'm actually writing a voyeur story at the moment, where a young guy develops a crush on his foster sister after both turn 18, and with this crush to remain unrequited, engages in voyeurism with her, so there will be one on the site at least.

Which story themes did you think would appear on Literotica more frequently, but which were very rare or impossible to find?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If aliens from Outer Space were studying Earth and trying to understand humans by reading Literotica stories, they would think that homo sapiens were very strange creatures indeed especially if they read the Incest/Taboo section.

In this section (and in other sections too) you can find erotic stories between mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, grandparents, half-siblings, adopted siblings, step-relatives and in-laws. The aliens would probably be perplexed by all these intimate interactions between people who are related, and if only using Literotica as a point of reference, think all humans behave like this and Earth best avoided.

While aliens probably aren't studying humans using Literotica, for those who like Incest stories there is no end of these stories on the site involving many different taboo couplings. Yet never once have I ever seen a story about foster siblings, for example a guy and girl who were fostered together in their teens meet up again by chance in their 20s and become lovers.

There may well be foster sibling stories on Lit that weren't tagged as such and lost among the many works on the site, but if there is, I couldn't find them. I'm actually writing a voyeur story at the moment, where a young guy develops a crush on his foster sister after both turn 18, and with this crush to remain unrequited, engages in voyeurism with her, so there will be one on the site at least.

Which story themes did you think would appear on Literotica more frequently, but which were very rare or impossible to find?

Because two different children from completely different parents wouldn't be incest, period. The only relationship they had is they grew up in the same home.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

The distance to Alpha Centauri is only 4.367 light years, dude. How far 'outer' are you thinking for 'Outer Space?'

As for aliens looking through Lit E - er I should say prolly one or fifty anyway.

Nevertheless, to your point, which was not about aliens or outer space, but about rare themes.

For me it seems that there are 'fashions' and 'trends' - the whole 'feel' of it goes through recognizable phases. And I am convinced that this site also reflects a worldwide 'frequency' of outlook somehow.

I think it's not so much that people are more commonly incestuous in their outlook particularly than we often assume, but that erotica writers are looking to break taboos in their writing all the time - to try and find new 'edges.' That having been said, I still find it comes across as a struggle to be truly 'new' and bleeding edge.

Clearly people also want to do underage themes but they can't and that's the right thing - EVEN THOUGH AS A WRITER I THINK YOU CAN STILL WRITE ANYTHING YOU WANT but hey, THAT theme needs to be very underground, or read by very very stable people for reasons other than erotic stimulation. And it doesn't need to be via this site - that would wreck everyone else's opportunities, both to read and to write.

Incest is also psychologically part of the 'overcoming death' drive that humans have - you can see this really clearly in the related scene in the infamous flick EWS.

But you raise a really good question, and I want to think about it a lot, before suggesting what I would like to see more of... Because for sure there's stuff I don't find virtually anywhere. But whether I could pin it down to specifically erotic themes, or more that I find a lot of writer's mindsets really limited and narrowly focused around very conforming indeed cliched ideas about sex in general and what is erotic, I'm not sure; probably the latter.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I remember reading a short sci-fi story years ago. The world has been overtaken by a massive ice-age. As humanity retreats and dies before the approaching ice, the last band of humans cache the last precious relic of mankind's highest achievement. Even they do not know what is contained in the cylindrical case.

Much later, it is recovered by alien explorers, who eventually figure out that it is a motion-picture film and retroengineer a projector. Form the images on screen, their scientists devise an entire series of theories about how humanity lived.

The only thing they could never figure out were the words at the very end of the film - A Walt Disney Production.

 

[jaF0]

Hasn't the foster/adopted/step siblings things been done to death too, even ones that met later without knowing it for some reason (if that's even possible)?

 

[TxRad]

I remember reading a short sci-fi story years ago. The world has been overtaken by a massive ice-age. As humanity retreats and dies before the approaching ice, the last band of humans cache the last precious relic of mankind's highest achievement. Even they do not know what is contained in the cylindrical case.

Much later, it is recovered by alien explorers, who eventually figure out that it is a motion-picture film and retroengineer a projector. Form the images on screen, their scientists devise an entire series of theories about how humanity lived.

The only thing they could never figure out were the words at the very end of the film - A Walt Disney Production.

I have a similar story under construction. Instead of global warming, we got a sudden ice age. This professor type is convinced that porn caused the collapse of the US government and forms an expedition to LA to find a vault of porn movies.

I guess there are no new ideas around except for the porn part but then again, I ain't no Walt Disney.

 

[Kantarii]

Which stories are rare and hard to find on Lit?

Probably a good non erotic story considering the site is geared towards erotic fiction. That’s my best guess, gonna stick with it.Kant
But, I suppose even certain themes in the non erotic section find their way into the backstory of erotic fiction, right?

 

[jaF0]

Hey, I've got one that may never have been done. Maybe.

Brother and sister separate after moving out of the house and lose track of each other. Each end up 'switching' genders. A few years later, they meet again, wholly unaware of each other's past due to their new identities. They get together and only some days or weeks later as they begin sharing their pasts do they come to the realization ....

 

[SimonDoom]

Hey, I've got one that may never have been done. Maybe.

Brother and sister separate after moving out of the house and lose track of each other. Each end up 'switching' genders. A few years later, they meet again, wholly unaware of each other's past due to their new identities. They get together and only some days or weeks later as they begin sharing their pasts do they come to the realization ....

That is an interesting idea for a story, but it's also a good illustration of why certain story concepts seldom if ever arise in erotica. People read and write erotica to be aroused, and arousal tends to focus on well-defined kinks, fetishes, interests, etc. When you mix them, as in this case (incest + transgender), you take people out of their zone of arousal. There may be some readers who are really interested in this story concept, but probably not many.

My take on the OP's question is I can't really think of any type of story I'm surprised not to see. The only two things about Literotica that surprise me are the extraordinary popularity of incest stories and the hostility of a large body of readers to hot wife stories.

 

[Kantarii]

Hey, I've got one that may never have been done. Maybe.

Brother and sister separate after moving out of the house and lose track of each other. Each end up 'switching' genders. A few years later, they meet again, wholly unaware of each other's past due to their new identities. They get together and only some days or weeks later as they begin sharing their pasts do they come to the realization ....

That idea would definitely not be for a one page story - maybe 3 to 5 pages to flesh it out to keep it interesting along those guideline. Probably something I would consider readingKant

 

[Hypoxia]

A few points.

* LIT is an entertainment site, not an encyclopedia of human sexual behavior. Laff laff.

* Nearby stellar systems have been exposed to 1950s and later TV for awhile now. It's Howdy Doody Time! What will the aliens make of Rocky & Bullwinkle, as well as Elvira?

* Various degrees of step-siblings fuck in some of my stories. No big thang, necessarily. And incest is rather fluid, as I point out in What Is Incest? IRL is uglier than LIT fantasyland so beware reality.

* Ah, aliens. Why assume that aliens aren't motherfuckers too? Terrestrial lifeforms have weirder sexual practices than mere motherfucking. Aliens can be weirder.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I suppose it just occurs to me as the first thing that announces itself - I don't see anywhere near as much occult-based erotica as I would have thought given what I know of the professional porn scene. Admittedly, there is some material but not anywhere near to the extent that would reflect the types of people in the sex industry across the board, and the number who are actively interested in the occult and paganistic sex cult practices. And that goes for 'ordinary' (IE non-professional/commercial sex industry) people who are also familiar with these themes as they apply to sex and erotics.

This would be the simple, first glance 'theme' that I find gets neglected a little.

But there are a lot of other themes and ideas too that I can think of and that I gather are FAR too off-the-normal-range, apparently, to feature in much erotic literature as a general rule.

 

[LupusDei]

One of my recurring fantasies involve a cousin who for whatever reason moves in with relatively distant kin. One or both houses may have had strange habits. The living circumstances may be cramped. So on.

It does resonate with foster siblings and might indeed be relatively rare. I think the 18+ is a quite crippling for the theme, such stories would normally tend to start much sooner, and writing prolonged non-sexual stories before the juicy part may not be popular around here.

However, I think more or less forced cohabitation at large is a rather popular theme, but outside incest perhaps?

On the aliens... I think they would't wonder about incest much, taking it in larger context and purely breeding terms. Father -daughter - granddaughter, that's just purifying the bloodline.

 

[Valint]

I'm kind of dubious that, of all the things that will turn aliens off Literotica, it's the Incest. (If you had said LW, I might have bought that.)

The OP also implies a surprising belief that there's uniformity in what's considered taboo, when in fact, this varies a lot from culture to culture, sometimes in ways that don't make sense to other cultures.

Two examples that come to mind from Asian literature:
* There's a Japanese romance trope, in which two siblings dance around crossing the line, then *surprise*, it turns out that they're actually just cousins (and cousin sex is totally normal) and one of them was adopted after their parents died (and everyone knows that adopted children aren't really your children).

To Western audiences, neither of those concepts is necessarily automatically true (though, the adopted one will vary, e.g., Woody Allen).

* In old-school Chinese families, you had the grandfather as the patriarch, all of his sons (who stayed under his roof), and the sons' children (who were all considered siblings), and that was the family. There's a Chinese tragedy trope, in which a guy finds out that the woman he's in love with is actually the illegitimate child of his father's brother (the daughter of a prostitute or lover), which makes her essentially his sibling and hence, their union shameful.

...this is in spite of the fact that marrying your father's sister's daughter or even just your sister's daughter would be accepted (and your mother's sister's daughter was at times not even considered a cousin), even though we'd still think of them all as cousins or nieces.

Hell, even sibling marriage isn't completely out of bounds in some cultures. Let's not forget that Abraham, father of two of the world's major religions, married his half-sister (or, if you believe orthodox rabbinical teachings, his niece), and I believe there are still a few countries where half-sibling marriage is allowed.

That occasionally makes me wonder about what the converse is, as I have to think there are things that are fetishized in other countries because of their taboo nature there, but are just considered part of the normal default background in the U.S.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Which stories are rare and hard to find on Lit?

Probably a good non erotic story considering the site is geared towards erotic fiction. That’s my best guess, gonna stick with it.Kant
But, I suppose even certain themes in the non erotic section find their way into the backstory of erotic fiction, right?

My Winds of Change has been getting rave reviews and there isn't any sex in it.

 

[Hypoxia]

If hypothetical aliens survey relics of the anthrosphere for clues to humanity, they'll find Rule 34 (everything can be pr0n-ized) applied everywhere, and LIT will seem tame. Maybe they'll appreciate Big Banana where human siblings are transformed before slimy incest and worse. But the ETs will find weirder elsewhere. (Cue ASSTR.)

I don't know what themes are or aren't seen on LIT because I make no attempt to scan everything here. An infinity of fetishes are possible, a plethora of kinky positions, a universe of squishy thoughts. There's always an audience for it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Were aliens to spy on us, they'd just as likely find strange the customs that are normal to us as the ones that are not. Incest, watersports, and mate-swapping might be perfectly normal, everyday things on the planet Zenu, subjects for Zenusian primary schools.

We won't ever know unless we spy back on them.

 

[Hypoxia]

We won't ever know unless we spy back on them.

Some biologists say cephalopods (squids, octopi, nautili) are of extra-terrestrial origin. So let's spy on the invisible radioactive telepathic giant squids that control human destiny. You first.

Or we might explore the Republican-Reptilioid plot to 1) terraform Earth to the ET's liking via global warming and 2) fatten humans on McFood to be nice and juicy for ET feasts. Yes, political conservatives are alien puppets. We knew that.

BTW even Earthborn critters have bizarre (to us) sexual practices. Watch out.

 

[TxRad]

Story Themes You Rarely See.

Leapfrog with Unicorn stories.

 

[Hypoxia]

Story Themes You Rarely See.

Leapfrog with Unicorn stories.

Try here. But we don't see many kangaroo boxing or squid surfing or badger mating stories. Good thing. We don't need those audiences. I recall (back in the day) a cinema usher telling me their theater ran NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD every Friday and Saturday at midnight, and always had the same unsettling crowd for every show. I don't want to know those folk. Fans of unicorn leaping etc are probably less deranged. Hey, we need a derangement test here! I test positive.

Rare themes occur to me. Prosthetic sexual organs, all genders. Kinky multiple personalities alternatively seizing slimy control of a host body. Shoe-polish fetishists. Sex from a condom's POV. Teledildonic guitars. High-fat yogurt as a sexual lubricant. Rape in a sex-doll factory. Telepathic ova.

Apply Rule 34 to bongo drums.

 

[SimonDoom]

Some biologists say cephalopods (squids, octopi, nautili) are of extra-terrestrial origin. So let's spy on the invisible radioactive telepathic giant squids that control human destiny. You first.

.

My so-far single foray into sci fi played with a similar theme. Extraterrestrial cephalopods. Control of human destiny. Many tentacles. Much goo.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I remember reading a short sci-fi story years ago. The world has been overtaken by a massive ice-age. As humanity retreats and dies before the approaching ice, the last band of humans cache the last precious relic of mankind's highest achievement. Even they do not know what is contained in the cylindrical case.

Much later, it is recovered by alien explorers, who eventually figure out that it is a motion-picture film and retroengineer a projector. Form the images on screen, their scientists devise an entire series of theories about how humanity lived.

The only thing they could never figure out were the words at the very end of the film - A Walt Disney Production.

Arthur C. Clarke, "History Lesson". I remember reading that one as a kid.

That occasionally makes me wonder about what the converse is, as I have to think there are things that are fetishized in other countries because of their taboo nature there, but are just considered part of the normal default background in the U.S.

I don't know whether anybody's fetishising it, but various Australian Aboriginal groups have complex kinship rules where everybody is assigned to a specific "skin group" and can only marry somebody from a compatible skin group. Under those rules, somebody with no blood relation at all could be off limits if they were from the wrong skin group - even looking at or speaking to those people might sometimes be taboo.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

When I did psychotherapy I saw more naked females than I ever saw when I worked with hookers. I'm speaking of supervisors, colleagues, and plenty of collateral staff at schools, etc. But I rarely see any stories about mental health.

 

[RetroFan]

I've written quite a few stories where mental health is central to the theme - and I've used it in sexual, comedic and serious ways.

For example, in 'My Best Friend's Crazy Fat Sister', a fetish story series the titular character Zoe is a former Australian professional tennis player (fictional) who blew her career through crazy antics, diva behavior and heavy drinking, made bad life choices and got really fat after retirement. She is completely nuts, but very sexy if you like overweight women.

In my black comedy 'The PTA Queen Bee & The Teen Rebel' lead character Allison is married to very strange man named Dennis who has a bizarre and weird obsession that dominates almost every aspect of his life; Breanna from my shock comedy 'Trailer Trash Teen Hates Rules' is a sociopath; while Chelsea, the hot mum from 'My Gay Friend's Hot Mum' is the daughter of a Freudian psychiatrist and a pediatrician, yet ended up pregnant to her cousin while still a teenager.

I have used mental illness in more serious story themes as well. In my lesbian story 'April Leads Julie Astray' a lot of the main characters carry emotional baggage. Julie is still haunted from having polio as a child, April and her twin brother Brad were physically and emotionally abused as children which still causes April especially problems as a young adult, while April and Brad's father Ben struggles with his memories of serving in the Second World War. In 'Learning to Love Louise', the main male character lost his fiancée years earlier, and having never properly got over this pretends she is still alive but as a platonic friend and co-worker rather than his lost love, sort of the way a child might invent an imaginary friend.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I've written quite a few stories where mental health is central to the theme - and I've used it in sexual, comedic and serious ways.

Yeah, it's been an element in a couple of mine. "Riddle of the Copper Coin" features a protag who gets into depression after a breakup and being laid low by an ankle break; her housemate/eventual love interest persuades her to see a counsellor. My current work in progress features two autistic characters, each with their own issues along with that.