Story Discussion: May 8, 2009 - "T.F.W.B.C." by Penelope Street

[Penelope Street]

Hi!

My story for discussion is "T.F.W.B.C."

It's an 8500 word stand-alone tale meant to be humorous and erotic, not necessarily in that order. I think it's important to know where an author loses readers, so if anyone begins the story only to lose interest, don't feel obliged to continue- but please say where and why you stopped. For those who finish the story, I hope you enjoy it!


"T.F.W.B.C" is a First Time story:
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=407655


Please finish the story before proceeding to my questions in the next post.










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[Penelope Street]

"T.F.W.B.C' is meant to be a simple feel-good story about Becky, a young woman who overcomes anxieties about her self-worth related to her body image. With an explicit scene that spans the final half of the story, generating a bit of heat was also a goal, plus there are meant to be a few smiles and laughs along the way.

So the first question is, does the story achieve the above goals? Did you enjoy it? What did you like best, and least?

The main tension in the story is internal and on the light side. In literary terms, the hurdles the heroine must overcome are minor. Is that ok? Is Becky clearly changed by her experience?

The title is meant to be mysterious and more of a hook than the first line. Does that work?

What about the opening line: Want to know what it's like to be the chubby, spectacled, second-chair trombone player with a unibrow? Can you feel Becky's anxiety- and a hint of anger too? Does Becky's description of herself remind you of anyone who's stepped into the public eye since this story was posted several months ago?

What about Becky's voice and the pacing of her narrative? Do any scenes feel rushed or do some drag instead?

For the story to work, Becky needs to be sympathetic. Is she? Did you feel inclined to share her story right away, or did it take a while to get into it? Or did she lose you at some point? Does Becky's relationship with Karen ring true?

Donald is supposed to represent a masculine version of Becky- not a hunk, just an average young man; does he work in that role? While less developed than Becky, I still wanted him to have some depth. What do you make of the moment when he ogles her and she's expecting at least a token compliment, and then he doesn't say a word?

For women, were you inclined to identify with Becky? Could you share her attraction to Donald?

For men, could you find Becky sexy in spite of her physique? Were you inclined to identify with Donald?

Some parts of the tale are meant to be humorous; though I had in mind grins and giggles instead of gut-ripping laughter. So was the story funny in places? If so, which lines were most amusing?

Becky and Donald are supposed to fumble a bit during their love-making, instead of going at it like a couple of porn stars. However, sometimes erotic literature works best when it's not too real. So is their level of awkwardness appropriate both in terms or realism and eroticism? Did you find humor in their missteps or are eroticism and humor like oil and water for you?

Two of my editors expressed surprise that Becky and Donald didn't have 'real' sex. Was this a disappointment for you? Must a 'First Time' story involve coitus?

Have you had enough of my questions already?!

Please feel free to answer any you wish to while ignoring the rest.

Any other thoughts you care to share are also welcome!

Thanks Bunches,
Penny

 

[loganforester]

"T.F.W.B.C' is meant to be a simple feel-good story about Becky, a young woman who overcomes anxieties about her self-worth related to her body image. With an explicit scene that spans the final half of the story, generating a bit of heat was also a goal, plus there are meant to be a few smiles and laughs along the way.

So the first question is, does the story achieve the above goals? Did you enjoy it? What did you like best, and least?

The main tension in the story is internal and on the light side. In literary terms, the hurdles the heroine must overcome are minor. Is that ok? Is Becky clearly changed by her experience?

The title is meant to be mysterious and more of a hook than the first line. Does that work?

What about the opening line: Want to know what it's like to be the chubby, spectacled, second-chair trombone player with a unibrow? Can you feel Becky's anxiety- and a hint of anger too? Does Becky's description of herself remind you of anyone who's stepped into the public eye since this story was posted several months ago?

What about Becky's voice and the pacing of her narrative? Do any scenes feel rushed or do some drag instead?

For the story to work, Becky needs to be sympathetic. Is she? Did you feel inclined to share her story right away, or did it take a while to get into it? Or did she lose you at some point? Does Becky's relationship with Karen ring true?

Donald is supposed to represent a masculine version of Becky- not a hunk, just an average young man; does he work in that role? While less developed than Becky, I still wanted him to have some depth. What do you make of the moment when he ogles her and she's expecting at least a token compliment, and then he doesn't say a word?

For women, were you inclined to identify with Becky? Could you share her attraction to Donald?

For men, could you find Becky sexy in spite of her physique? Were you inclined to identify with Donald?

Some parts of the tale are meant to be humorous; though I had in mind grins and giggles instead of gut-ripping laughter. So was the story funny in places? If so, which lines were most amusing?

Becky and Donald are supposed to fumble a bit during their love-making, instead of going at it like a couple of porn stars. However, sometimes erotic literature works best when it's not too real. So is their level of awkwardness appropriate both in terms or realism and eroticism? Did you find humor in their missteps or are eroticism and humor like oil and water for you?

Two of my editors expressed surprise that Becky and Donald didn't have 'real' sex. Was this a disappointment for you? Must a 'First Time' story involve coitus?

Have you had enough of my questions already?!

Please feel free to answer any you wish to while ignoring the rest.

Any other thoughts you care to share are also welcome!

Thanks Bunches,
Penny

Hi Penelope thanks for sharing your story. It just happened to read this one when it first posted and enjoyed it then.

I think the story does meet your stated goal. It was a feel good story, with a main character that was very relatable and likeable. There certainly was some sexual tension and heat generated as well as a few laughs to be had.

I did enjoy the story overall as I said before. The best for me was the relatable main character. Becky's self-depricating style and gradual increase in confidence as the story went along was what held it together and delivered a strong message in the end.

My biggest issue was the more than half of the story seemed to be that final sex scene. To me it dragged on too long and you lost me somewhere in that process. I know the pinnacle of the plotline and this genre in general is the first time sex experience but this seemed a bit gratuitous in length.

There is very little tension in the story, but I don't see that as a major problem. I think she is changed by the experience in that her confidence with her own body is much higher. Also she seems much more confident around guys than she would have been at the beginning. To really assess how changed she is, we'd need to see a bit farther into the future to the next encounter.

The story title I'm on the fence about. It's mysterious enough that it might attract some attention but it doesn't really deliver any kind of message to prospective reader as to what the story is about. The opening line was very effective in my opinion. It launches the reader inside her head and shows the angst and frustration she's been feeling throught her life. That's continued well throughout the first couple paragraphs.

I mentioned before the pacing of the sex scene and how I felt it dragged on. Other than that the pace was lively enough to keep the action moving along.

Donald strikes me as a bit of a nerd but otherside fairly normal and non-descript. I found him effective but not much of a sex symbol. Given Becky's attitude about her body and such, I could see how she would find him irresistible even if her wasn't really painted in that light by narration.

I don't really identify sex appeal by physique anyway, so her description didn't really affect that for me. I found her personality, innocence and general niceness to be sexy. I didn't find Donald too easy to identify with but it wasn't jarring either.

The sex scene(like I said I had to skim a large part of it) was good for the uncertain fumblings part. It seemed semi-realistic for a virgin and a fairly reserved nerdy type guy. There were some funy parts of it and some hot parts. I don't find the two mutually exclusive.

The lack of penetrative sex was a bit surprising because of the category. I think that's one of the requirements(almost) of the first time genre to see the girl get her cherry popped so to speak. That omission may hurt the story with a certain segment of readers who are used to that standard in first time stories.

Overall, an enjoyable read for the second time around. I remember it left me with a good impression the first time, but the title didn't resonate with me. I didn't realize I'd read it before until half way through the first page.

I hope my response was helpful and not too long winded.

 

[Penelope Street]

Hi Logan,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on my story.

It was a feel good story, with a main character that was very relatable and likeable. There certainly was some sexual tension and heat generated as well as a few laughs to be had.

I did enjoy the story overall as I said before. The best for me was the relatable main character. Becky's self-depricating style and gradual increase in confidence as the story went along was what held it together and delivered a strong message in the end.

Cool beans!

My biggest issue was the more than half of the story seemed to be that final sex scene. To me it dragged on too long and you lost me somewhere in that process.

I was concerned about this, but couldn't quite put my finger on exactly what wasn't working. So when you were skimming ahead through the erotic scene, what were you seeking- what happened afterward or the part where they actually fucked?

The lack of penetrative sex was a bit surprising because of the category. I think that's one of the requirements (almost) of the first time genre to see the girl get her cherry popped so to speak. That omission may hurt the story with a certain segment of readers who are used to that standard in first time stories.

When I wrote the story, I didn't imagine this was an issue. It never even crossed my mind until my editors mentioned it. So do you think Becky's ready to surrender her virginity just yet? I see her trying all the young men in the club first and then picking the one she finds most special. But this is a sex story after all, so maybe I should have made her want it sooner, lol.

I think she is changed by the experience in that her confidence with her own body is much higher. Also she seems much more confident around guys than she would have been at the beginning. To really assess how changed she is, we'd need to see a bit farther into the future to the next encounter.

So should the story continue? A few readers wrote and asked for a sequel, nothing unusual there, but for the first time I actually had a reader ask me *not* to add to a tale.

I didn't realize I'd read it before until half way through the first page.

Well, that's probably not good, is it? But it is kinda interesting to hear from someone who read my story without ever intending to discuss it.

I hope my response was helpful and not too long winded.

Of course it was helpful and not too long- unlike someone's sex scene.

Thanks again,
Penny

 

[_Lynn_]

"T.F.W.B.C' is meant to be a simple feel-good story about Becky, a young woman who overcomes anxieties about her self-worth related to her body image. With an explicit scene that spans the final half of the story, generating a bit of heat was also a goal, plus there are meant to be a few smiles and laughs along the way.

So the first question is, does the story achieve the above goals? Did you enjoy it? What did you like best, and least?I found the requirements for a roommate in the ad to be quite unrealistic. I can't imagine that happening, so at that point I was a bit skeptical. With the length of the sex scene, it lacked any heat for me. Their fumbling ways gave me a few chuckles though.

The main tension in the story is internal and on the light side. In literary terms, the hurdles the heroine must overcome are minor. Is that ok? Is Becky clearly changed by her experience? I went back to read it again, to decide on this. Something was telling me no, but I wasn't sure until I did. There are references to her size during the sex scene, making me think she was more conscious of it and not fully into the sex. She did relax and enjoy it, but a clear change? Wouldn't that show up the next morning, when she was thinking back on it?

The title is meant to be mysterious and more of a hook than the first line. Does that work?My first thought on seeing the title was "TCBY" the yogurt. However, the initials never made me wonder what they stood for. I just thought it a bit odd.

What about the opening line: Want to know what it's like to be the chubby, spectacled, second-chair trombone player with a unibrow? Can you feel Becky's anxiety- and a hint of anger too? Does Becky's description of herself remind you of anyone who's stepped into the public eye since this story was posted several months ago?I read the first line and the answer 'no' flashed through my head. Anxiety . . . anger . . . I didn't feel either from that sentence.

What about Becky's voice and the pacing of her narrative? Do any scenes feel rushed or do some drag instead? Logan said it and I agree that the sex dragged. After a few paragraphs, I found myself bored, hoping for the end.

For the story to work, Becky needs to be sympathetic. Is she? Did you feel inclined to share her story right away, or did it take a while to get into it? Or did she lose you at some point? Does Becky's relationship with Karen ring true?

Donald is supposed to represent a masculine version of Becky- not a hunk, just an average young man; does he work in that role? While less developed than Becky, I still wanted him to have some depth. What do you make of the moment when he ogles her and she's expecting at least a token compliment, and then he doesn't say a word?

For women, were you inclined to identify with Becky? Could you share her attraction to Donald?He comes off as a forgettable character to me. There was never anything solid I could relate to.

For men, could you find Becky sexy in spite of her physique? Were you inclined to identify with Donald?

Some parts of the tale are meant to be humorous; though I had in mind grins and giggles instead of gut-ripping laughter. So was the story funny in places? If so, which lines were most amusing?

Becky and Donald are supposed to fumble a bit during their love-making, instead of going at it like a couple of porn stars. However, sometimes erotic literature works best when it's not too real. So is their level of awkwardness appropriate both in terms or realism and eroticism? Did you find humor in their missteps or are eroticism and humor like oil and water for you?

Two of my editors expressed surprise that Becky and Donald didn't have 'real' sex. Was this a disappointment for you? Must a 'First Time' story involve coitus? I thought there would be full sex somewhere in the story, considering the category.

Have you had enough of my questions already?!

Please feel free to answer any you wish to while ignoring the rest.

Any other thoughts you care to share are also welcome!

Thanks Bunches,
Penny

Going back over it again, I think it would need to be tighter for me to say it was an enjoyable read. Too often I found myself skimming parts, hoping for the next scene to begin.

Comments like "I felt like a beached whale and was sure I looked like one too." just drew me away from it. I'm fully aware that not all women are a size 4 though.

Thoughts such as "Continuing his thrust, he compelled my legs upward, exposing me in ways that brought back memories of trips to my gynecologist." made me wonder how much she could really be into the sex.

With all that said, remember that mine is only one opinion. What I enjoy and look for doesn't always match the choice of other readers.

 

[Penelope Street]

Hi Mistress Lynn,

It made me smile to see you in the SDC again. It's never easy telling another author her story didn't work for you. Thank you for doing so.

I found the requirements for a roommate in the ad to be quite unrealistic. I can't imagine that happening, so at that point I was a bit skeptical.

How interesting! I agree it's a bit odd, but it never occurred to me that the detail would jar anyone from the tale.

I read the first line and the answer 'no' flashed through my head. Anxiety . . . anger . . . I didn't feel either from that sentence.

If you thought 'No' after that first line, I think that pretty much says it all.

There are references to her size during the sex scene, making me think she was more conscious of it and not fully into the sex. She did relax and enjoy it, but a clear change? Wouldn't that show up the next morning, when she was thinking back on it?

I agree, in real life a change like this would be gradual and likely to be apparent later- maybe not until after she's left this club. But the story was already too long, wasn't it?

[Donald] comes off as a forgettable character to me. There was never anything solid I could relate to.

Yeah. For a couple of reasons, Donald doesn't exactly float my boat either.

With all that said, remember that mine is only one opinion. What I enjoy and look for doesn't always match the choice of other readers.

Mind if I ask what you do enjoy in a story? It might be helpful to know if I had any chance of reaching you with this theme or if it was a topic that would never have interested you.

Thanks again for taking time you read my story- especially since you didn't enjoy it.

Take Care,
Penny

 

[Keroin]

Penny, I started reading and so far so great. I'm on the road until Tuesday so I'll get back to you with comments by Wed or Thur.

Cheers,
K

 

[Penelope Street]

Penny, I started reading and so far so great. I'm on the road until Tuesday so I'll get back to you with comments by Wed or Thur.

No hurry. Enjoy your trip!

 

[_Lynn_]

Hi Mistress Lynn,

It made me smile to see you in the SDC again. It's never easy telling another author her story didn't work for you. Thank you for doing so.

How interesting! I agree it's a bit odd, but it never occurred to me that the detail would jar anyone from the tale.

If you thought 'No' after that first line, I think that pretty much says it all.

I agree, in real life a change like this would be gradual and likely to be apparent later- maybe not until after she's left this club. But the story was already too long, wasn't it?

Yeah. For a couple of reasons, Donald doesn't exactly float my boat either.

Mind if I ask what you do enjoy in a story? It might be helpful to know if I had any chance of reaching you with this theme or if it was a topic that would never have interested you.

Thanks again for taking time you read my story- especially since you didn't enjoy it.

Take Care,
Penny

I don't have a problem with the theme. It was in part the believability factor of her 'first time'. Some fiction categories still need enough reality for me to 'see' it happening. The concept of the story was interesting, I just didn't find that the delivery was. (sorry) Tightened, using the same storyline, with more action to keep it moving, I might have enjoyed it just fine.

Reading anything for enjoyment is difficult for me. As a fast reader, I find that I get bored far too easy. Picking up a novel by James Patterson, Sandra Brown or Jackie Collins doesn't mean I'll finish it just because everyone says they're good. Right now, I have at least five books that I started, stopping after two or three chapters. My mind needs something that draws me in and keeps me there.

Then there's the constant editing that my brain does . . . Between the two, it's not easy finding a piece I can just read and enjoy.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Penelope Street]

I don't have a problem with the theme. It was in part the believability factor of her 'first time'. Some fiction categories still need enough reality for me to 'see' it happening. The concept of the story was interesting, I just didn't find that the delivery was. (sorry) Tightened, using the same storyline, with more action to keep it moving, I might have enjoyed it just fine.

Thank you for elaborating. You can't be sorry for not enjoying a story- not as if it's really a choice whether you like it.

 

[Penelope Street]

Hi Princess Erin,

Thanks for joing us again.

So many writers feel the need to have perfect characters and there are many more readers who are like Becky than who are not.

I know!

I didn’t like the fact that she was going to lose her virginity to a stranger. You really added a touch of sensuality to the sex scene but I was still hesitant to continue reading when I found out that really the club was about random men and women fucking. As a reader this was not the way I see a perfect first time story.

I'm with you there. But what is the perfect first time story? I wanted to explore a first time situation without any pretences of love, yet entirely consensual.

... as I read it I thought to the movie Shrek.

Can't say I made this connection, but this does bring up a tangent question- do you think it would have been a nice touch for Fiona to actually kiss Farquaad before dusk and then, since it wasn't love's first kiss, still become an ogress after sundown?

I was anxious because I didn’t want this story to be about people feeling sorry for someone like that.

After waiting so long, I can easily see Becky having regrets.

I really liked Becky and Karen’s relationship.

Me too- maybe a little too much, lol.

I loved Donald in the same ways that I was excited to see someone like Becky as the main character. It is nice to read about an average guy who is awesome at sex.

Unfortunately for Donald, the plot means he just can't do a few things I need him to do in order to be a romantic hero for me- first among these being to ask Becky out with the realistic chance she might actually turn him down.

Actually as I continued reading your story I was wanting them to profess their love for each other and to decide to be exclusive.

Wouldn't that have been a little too abrupt to believe?

I didn’t mind that they didn’t have real sex.

Woot!

I wanted them to be together and the fact they didn’t have “real” sex helped me as a reader have hope that there is more to come.

Does this mean the story should have continued?

As a reader I did have some issues but that was mainly my own preference.

I appreciate you taking the time to share your preferences and issues.

Take Care,
Penny

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Penelope Street]

The perfect first time story for me is about two people in love who have sex, maybe awkward sex, but enjoy it because they are in love.

So, like classic romances, only with a gratuitous scene at the end?

I would have liked the story to continue, maybe hinting that they are thinking about only dating each other.

Another option I considered was abruptly ending the sex scene soon after Donald says "You are so hot that I just have to fuck your tits." and cutting to a scene where Becky is discussing her tryst with Karen. I didn't think much past this point, but maybe this was a better way to go.

 

[loganforester]

Hi Logan,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on my story.

Cool beans!

I was concerned about this, but couldn't quite put my finger on exactly what wasn't working. So when you were skimming ahead through the erotic scene, what were you seeking- what happened afterward or the part where they actually fucked?

When I wrote the story, I didn't imagine this was an issue. It never even crossed my mind until my editors mentioned it. So do you think Becky's ready to surrender her virginity just yet? I see her trying all the young men in the club first and then picking the one she finds most special. But this is a sex story after all, so maybe I should have made her want it sooner, lol.

So should the story continue? A few readers wrote and asked for a sequel, nothing unusual there, but for the first time I actually had a reader ask me *not* to add to a tale.

Well, that's probably not good, is it? But it is kinda interesting to hear from someone who read my story without ever intending to discuss it.

Of course it was helpful and not too long- unlike someone's sex scene.

Thanks again,
Penny

I was skimming looking for what happened at the end of the sex scene or afterwards. I was quite disaapointed that it didn't lead anywhere. Perhaps I'm not a good example as I rarely read erotic stories for the sex part. It's more the lead up and the overall and how the sex scene is incorporated into it that I find interesting.

Honestly, I think it was a good thing from my perspective that she didn't have full sex. It's most realistic that way. Then again the genre itself tends to demand consumation. It's a tough one. You could solve that problem by continuing the story til the point where actual sex seems reasonable. I think a continuation is a good idea so longs as it doesn't become a repetitive cycle of dates etc. That would be worse.

The title did nothing for my recollection of the story at all. That isn't a good thing, no. If it were my story, and it's not, I'd cut back on some of the extraneous sex detail and use that word count to continue the story forward, working toward a more reasonable time for her to lose her virginity. I don't think it has to be love per se, but I can't see her screwing the first guy she dates with no prior experience at all.

 

[Penelope Street]

I was quite disapointed that it didn't lead anywhere. Perhaps I'm not a good example as I rarely read erotic stories for the sex part. It's more the lead up and the overall and how the sex scene is incorporated into it that I find interesting.

I don't think you're a poor example at all. Quite the opposite!

So would this have worked better for you? End the erotic scene like I mentioned in my most recent post. Continue with Becky summarizing her sexual encounters with the other men in the club, maybe a pseudo scene, but nothing more than a few paragraphs. Then, for the conclusion, she describes the great popping of her cherry?

 

[loganforester]

I don't think you're a poor example at all. Quite the opposite!

So would this have worked better for you? End the erotic scene like I mentioned in my most recent post. Continue with Becky summarizing her sexual encounters with the other men in the club, maybe a pseudo scene, but nothing more than a few paragraphs. Then, for the conclusion, she describes the great popping of her cherry?

Hmm, I think that would have been better than the way it was left. First time is one of the few categories I actually read on here so I have a bit of experience with them. They tend to be coming of age type tales and yours fell short of that at the end. It seemed like we only got a snippet of her journey. Your suggestion would help but I think a little longer progression than you're suggesting would be my way of dealing with it. Show maybe another date in between this one and the cherry popping one, to show a progression of behavior and comfort.

Just a few thoughts.

 

[_Lynn_]

If it were my story, and it's not, I'd cut back on some of the extraneous sex detail and use that word count to continue the story forward, working toward a more reasonable time for her to lose her virginity. I don't think it has to be love per se, but I can't see her screwing the first guy she dates with no prior experience at all.

. . . Show maybe another date in between this one and the cherry popping one, to show a progression of behavior and comfort.

I agree that cutting the extraneous sex details out would be a great way to give you room to move the story forward. Giving a brief mention of one or two dates could be done in just a few paragraphs or so. By developing feelings for each other, it would make more sense for them to have sex too. The result would be a tighter, more believable story for me. It would also fit the category better.

 

[Penelope Street]

Your suggestion would help but I think a little longer progression than you're suggesting would be my way of dealing with it. Show maybe another date in between this one and the cherry popping one, to show a progression of behavior and comfort.

Part of the issue is, I don't write a story for a particular category, yet readers naturally have expectations regarding a category's content- and when is it a good idea to not give readers what they want? I can certainly see how readers might have enjoyed a longer progression with a few shorter erotic scenes instead of a quick progression with a single long one. But would a story covering a longer time span still be preferable even if read outside of the context of the 'First Time' category?

 

[loganforester]

Part of the issue is, I don't write a story for a particular category, yet readers naturally have expectations regarding a category's content- and when is it a good idea to not give readers what they want? I can certainly see how readers might have enjoyed a longer progression with a few shorter erotic scenes instead of a quick progression with a single long one. But would a story covering a longer time span still be preferable even if read outside of the context of the 'First Time' category?

Neither do I. Sometimes lit's category system can be woefully inadequate. Seriously, where does one place a story who's primary theme is mystery or suspense? Ok rant over.

I agree that writers shouldn't mutilate their story to fit a narrow parameter of a lit category. That being said, readers do have expectations that should atleast be considered. It's always ok to not give them what they want, I've done it, but that has to be an intentional omission understanding the feedback consequences.

The story line preference is as much my own as anything. I prefer reading longer more detailed plot arcs. It's as much my bias as anything "wrong" with your tale. In this case, I think a longer story is appropriate since this one just screams incomplete to me.

 

[Penelope Street]

The story line preference is as much my own as anything.

I don't know about that- looks like Erin and Lynn like the idea too. After literally sleeping on it, I'm inclined to agree.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Penelope Street]

I'm not sure I like the lovey dovey romantic stories but I have an aversion to fucking for the sake of fucking.

So what exactly is 'fucking for the sake of fucking'? I'm guilty of being a total sap for lovey dovey romances, but Becky's story was still meant to be about lust without love.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Penelope Street]

Your story had a bit of an emotional connection which is why I liked it. I was just saying that as a reader I'd rather two people have sex because they have an emotional connection than simply because they both want sex.

In the story, I think Becky and Donald liked one another, so there was some level of affection, even if it wasn't anywhere near love. Is that what you meant by 'a bit of an emotional connection'?

Fucking for the sake of fucking is when two people have sex because they are horny and want sex. There is no connection, no link, no emotional connection.

On the flip side, I think pure lust can generate incredibly potent emotions all by itself.