Story Discussion: January 10, 2007. "Connections" by Selenakittyn

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Connections

1. I've been told I should take the sex out of this (or dampen it down) and send it in for mainstream publication. What would it do to/for the story?

2. Any suggestions where there might be a market for this story in mainstream? What about in erotica?

3. Any comments are welcome. Does the story work for you? Do you like/are you interested in these characters? Is it believable? Does the tense/POV work for you?

Don't hold back. ;)

{{note from pure, an SDC moderator; i've added some questions in my posting #4, below}}

The story follows (in case you're too lazy to click over!):

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The phone company used to give phone books away free. I have one for every city in the state of Michigan. People think I'm kidding when I tell them that one day they delivered thirty big boxes full of phone books to my apartment door. All four hundred or so of them are stacked in milk crates against my living room wall. I stole the milk crates from work.

I sit on the floor, flip through the white pages, and call. At first it didn't matter who it was. I would just point out a name in the shadowy light of the aquarium and push buttons on the phone.

There is always a moment of anxiety while it's ringing. I sit there with the phone crooked, twisting the cord around my finger, watching my fish swim back and forth in their tank, my breath shallow and turning to glass in my throat when I hear a voice: "Hello?"

I think I have heard every possible way a human being can say that word.

It was just a game at first. Any name connected with a voice: male, female, old, young. Just a voice. I don't need to talk. People will say, "hello" a few times and then hang up. Sometimes they say hello and then wait a while, as if expecting a response. But I never talk. And I never, ever hang up first.

Some of them take it on as a contest of wills, I think, but I just like the idea of being connected with someone out there in the world. Eventually, they all grow tired of waiting and hang up, but I cling to that silence until they do.

As my calls grew more frequent, I became more selective. Once I figured out how to make my name show up as "Private" on Caller-ID, I'd call the same numbers sometimes. Men are the most interesting. I like the deep, secret sound of their voices.

Most of my calls are local, but sometimes I'll take out phone books from small places in the state I've never heard of. Once in a while, for variety, I'll discard the phone books and just dial. Once I called California and tried to imagine the warmth.

I don't tell people about it. People don't understand me. I know I would just get those strange and steady looks, like the one the UPS guy gave me when he delivered my phone books. I think he thought I was insane. That's okay. Sometimes I think so too.

*****

I used to go to college, but that feels like a long time ago now. And I don't talk to my mother anymore. Its sounds like a non-sequitur, but those two things are related. My mother couldn't live with my decision to leave the University of Michigan—her alma mater, that prestigious institution. My father would have understood my reasons for leaving, I think. But he died when I was fourteen and left me with my mother.

My mother… she used to shop at Kroger's until she discovered that I work there as a cashier. She shops down the street at Farmer Jack's now. I see Clyde's car there on Sundays. You can't miss it, a huge turquoise Cadillac with red interior.

Clyde is mother's second husband. She remarried three years ago. I stood up in the wedding in a pale pink dress that was also my formal for senior prom. Clyde wore plaid pants and smoked cigars through the whole reception. I hate him. I almost retched when I had to watch him take the garter off my mother's leg. I swear, he was leering and drooling, and my mother, feigning innocence, was blushing like some sixteen-year-old.

My mother: I think she's the one person in the state that I haven't called in the past two-and-a-half years.

I live in a one-bedroom apartment with fish that I named after the seven dwarves and four more that I named after the Monkees. I was going to name them after the Beatles, but I didn't want to name one after John or George because they're dead. I named my first fish Martin, after Martin Luther King Jr., and he died. I held a mini-funeral for him, and cried when I had to swish him down the toilet into the unknown world of the sewers.

I like funerals. They make me feel, and anything that can do that is something to hold fast to, even if it is a bit morbid. I remember my father's funeral. I didn't cry, but my mother did. In fact, she carried the theatrics so far that she collapsed in the funeral home during the service. I know it sounds unfair, but she always found some way to steal my father's spotlight, even when he was dead.

Every time I think of the funeral, I see her blushing as she lifted her wedding dress higher on her slim leg, pretending to be so pure. Everything with her is pretending. She's like an aging, dark-haired Barbie doll. I don't like her much, now, and I know she doesn't like me, either, so that's okay. She will never accept the fact that the world doesn't revolve around her, and she knows that I see through her charade. She thinks that I loved my father more than I did her. She's right.

****

I like to listen to Bob Dylan in the dark. He makes me think. He teaches me in his rough, monotone voice. He is a true poet.

I hated college because I didn't learn anything. I wanted to major in political science, but my first two years were spent taking courses like Freshman English and "Introduction to the Library." The whole thing reminded me too much of high school. I opted to save my time and their money and got out. Now I lie alone in my bed and listen to Bob Dylan in the dark and wonder.

I like the back of his Highway 61 Revisited CD.

"The WIPE-OUT GANG buys, owns and runs the Insanity Factory--if you don't know where the Insanity Factory is located you should hereby take two steps to the right, paint your teeth, and go to sleep."

He has such amazing insights, Mr. Dylan. I wonder if he's ever peeked inside the Insanity Factory, or felt that the WIPE-OUT GANG was coming after him at the speed of light, like I have.

*****

Finding Seth one night is a complete and total accident. I do what I've done a thousand times before: pick up the phone and dial, waiting for someone to answer.

"City Morgue," the voice says. "You kill 'em, we chill 'em."

"What?" The word startles out of me before I can even think. I put a closed fist over my mouth, staring at Sneezy through the aquarium glass.

"I'm kidding," the voice says. "This is Seth. Who do you need?" There is laughter in his voice.

"Hello?" he asks. "You still there?"

Of course, I am, but I'm not about to answer. It's the first time in two years that I've said anything over the phone to another human being.

"Look, I'm sorry about that," he says. "It was a joke. This isn't a morgue, it's Bennett Hall. Who is this?"

I'm silent, twisting the phone cord around my finger, trying not to breathe.

"Cathy? Is this you?"

I jump when he says my name and a small sound escapes my throat. It takes me a moment to realize that he isn't talking to me. That's impossible. My name is common. He just knows another Cathy, that's all. Strange coincidence.

"Which one of us do you want?" Seth asks. "Hello? Come on, it was just a joke! Who is this?"

I wait for this to end. I know it will, I just have to wait for it.

"Cathy, if this is you, I'm going to be mighty pissed. You know I'm studying for McBain's exam."

I close my eyes, wanting to hang up, but still waiting for him to hang up first.

"Cathy, I mean it! I'm sick of your games! Is it you or not? Hello?"

He's getting angry. I hold my breath. He will hang up soon. They hang up when they get angry. I wait. I never hang up first and I'm not going to start now.

Of course, up until now, I've never talked, either.

"Who is this?" he asks again. "Look, Tom isn't here, and I have no idea where he is. Steve is out with Jen at the Brown jug and Will's at the Union. Okay? So if it isn't me you want to talk to, you're out of luck, anyway."

The Brown Jug.

Student Union.

Bennett Hall.

Too many coincidences—here I am, connected with Seth (whoever he is) and through some weird synchronicity, connected with my past and U of M, five hundred miles and half a state away.

Now I'm desperate to hang up and break the connection, but the habit is too ingrained. He has to hang up first—and soon.

"Hey, do you need someone to talk to?" His voice turns gentle. "Is this a... a cry for help?"

I pull the phone away to stare at it, but I can still hear him.

"Hey, I'm here. You might as well say something while you have me on the phone."

"Fuck you!" I yell. "Who do you think you are? Freud?" I'm too indignant to think about not talking anymore.

"No. Seth," he says, laughter in his voice. "I was beginning to think you didn't have any vocal cords or something. Who is this?"

"…God," I tell him after a pause, and hang up.

****

I don't make any more phone calls that week. Rolling around, warm, searching for cool places on the sheet at night, I am unsure and afraid, until I get up the nerve to call him again. He doesn't answer the first time, so I hang up. I try again, Sunday night, and he picks up the phone.

"Hello?" he says. I can't find my voice. "Hello? Who is this?"

"Me," I tell him, clearing my throat. "Me. God."

"Oh, it's you," he laughs. "Whatcha want?"

"Are you busy?" I don't know why I ask. I don't even know why I called.

"Um... I dunno. That depends. Are you going to talk to me?" he asks. "I was about to open up a bag of Doritos and settle down to a night of reading Hemingway. Can you be more interesting than that?"

"I can try," I reply.

"I have to admit, I'm curious," Seth says. "Who are you? I mean really. Do I know you?"

"You can if you want to," I tell him, lowering my voice.

There's a brief silence and I can hear Bob Dylan in the background singing "Lay Lady Lay." Maybe it's a sign.

Then he says, "Oh, hell, Hemingway's a bore. Hold on."

Faintly: "Hey, Will, can you get out of there, man? I've got a private phone call."

The reply is even more faint: "Some hot chick?"

Seth again: "Maybe. I'm gonna find out."

Waiting, I almost hang up, but I don't. Maybe that proves something. I don't know. I'm not Freud.

"Thanks, man. If anyone needs to use it, let me know," Seth says. I hear a door shut, and Dylan is drowned out. "Okay," he says when he gets back on the phone.

"Who's Cathy?" I ask him.

"An old girlfriend of mine," he replies.

"How old?"

"Well, she's twenty. But I haven't dated her for a year now. Who are you?"

"My name's Cathy, too," I tell him. "But I'm twenty-one."

"Me, too," he says. "Do you go to U of M?"

"I used to," I say, knocking on the aquarium glass at Doc, who, with a swish of his tail, sails down to the other end of the tank. "A few million years ago."

"Yeah? You're that old, huh?"

"How old do you think God is?" I ask.

He laughs. "Are you a friend of a friend or something? Did I meet you at a party?"

"No."

"How did you get my number?" he asks.

I tell him the truth. "I just pushed a few buttons and there you were."

He hesitates. "No kidding?" He sounds stunned.

"No kidding," I reply.

"What, like a crank call?"

"Something like that," I admit.

"Huh. Weird." He's quiet for a moment. I contemplate hanging up again. "Well, congratulations! I think you might be weirder than I am!"

"Oh... thank you?"

"Believe me, I welcome the competition," he says. "There should be more of us weirdoes, you know. We make life interesting."

I laugh. I don't think we've stopped talking since.

*****

We talk about everything.

*****

Leaning against a windowpane, watching the rain fall in a pale circle of orange florescent light, I stand with the phone against my ear and we talk:

"Cathy, do you believe in God?"

"Sometimes I do."

"I think God was made up so that no one would be afraid of dying."

Surprised, I ask: "You don't believe in God?"

"I don't think so," he replies.

"Are you afraid to die?"

"... yes. Kind of," he admits.

"Then maybe you're right."

*****

Lying on my bed in the warmth of a sunbeam, listening to the long, low whistle of a train in the distance, and to Seth, I share myself with him, carefully:

"Did you ever wonder what stars were made of?" I ask.

"When I was little, I thought that the stars were holes that God had cut into the sky so that the sun could shine through at night."

"You had a pretty amazing imagination when you were little, Seth."

"I know. Don't you hate being grown up?"

After a brief silence, I say: "I hate pretending that I am."

*****

Curled up next to the refrigerator, I feel protected in the small space as painful subjects and old fears loom and stretch icy fingers in my direction:

"What did you get on your SATs, Cath?"

"You tell me first."

"980, combined. You?"

"1540."

"Holy shit! That's sixty points shy of a perfect score! No wonder you got a full-paid scholarship here! I bet you were valedictorian, too."

I swallow hard. "Yes."

"I don't get it, Cath. You're nuts! You're just wasting your life without a college education."

I snort and tell him, "You've been programmed to think that. School isn't living. School is for people who want to be told what to do. It's for people who want rules to live by."

His voice is soft. "You know what I think? I think you're afraid, Cath. You're afraid that if you tried to live by someone else's rules, you wouldn't fit in."

Tears sting my eyes. "I tried once already. I don't want to change. They tried to make me into someone they wanted me to be."

"You just don't want to adapt to the world," he told me. "You're afraid of getting hurt. If you stay in your own world, you'll be protected, right? That isn't living, and it's awfully lonely."

I stiffen, gripping the receiver. "Alone and lonely are two totally different things."

"I know, babe, but you're both."

*****

I don't make hang-up calls anymore. I haven't since Seth, anyway, and that's eight months. We talk every day. It's expensive, but I have a job in an office now and I'm making more money. Seth's an English major and he's going to be a teacher and I know everything there is to know about him. He likes mint chocolate chip ice cream, snow boarding, classic rock, Franco American Spaghetti-O's & Meatballs, and making love in the rain.

I don't know the last from experience, but we've talked about sex. I know he hasn't had a serious steady girlfriend since Cathy. He knows I've had three boyfriends. Only one of them could be considered serious, and because Ron was a fundamental Baptist, we never had sex. Well, officially. I don't know what God thought about all those heavy petting sessions and the time he asked me to put it in my mouth and I did. I heard Ron was getting married to a girl from his church. I wonder if she will put it in her mouth?

Seth knows me better than I know myself. We've exchanged pictures. He's tall, almost willowy, with longish blonde hair, green eyes. In the picture he's standing by a Jeep wearing jean cut-offs, and I can see his ribs, his skin so pale. I sent him the only recent picture I have of myself. It's an instant Polaroid shot that Ron took of me sitting in front of the aquarium on the phone. I don't remember who I was talking to in the picture, if I was talking at all. I guess it's not important.

*****

"Easter Break," Seth says the first thing when he calls. "Can I come see you?"

He sounds so nonchalant, but my heart leaps to touch my tonsils. How do I say no? I'm standing in the middle of the kitchen, my hair wrapped in a towel.

"Where will you stay?" I ask.

"Well... I was hoping I could stay with you."

"Oh."

I glance around the kitchen, at the dishes I haven't done, the peanut butter sitting out on the counter. Ron hated it when I left the kitchen a mess. What do I say?

"It's next week," he says. "I told my parents I wouldn't be coming home for Easter since I went down for Christmas."

Seth comes from North Carolina. I never noticed his slight drawl until he told me. My eyes close, and I take a deep breath.

"Cath? You still with me?"

"Umm," I reply. He and I have never met face to face. In eight months of phone calls, we have never met. "I'm here."

"Well?" he asks.

I open my eyes, seeing the peanut butter jar through prisms. "Sure. I'll give you directions."

*****

After cleaning the apartment top to bottom, it takes me three long hours to lug the milk crates full of phone books down to the dumpster and toss them in. I ache all over when I'm through and there is a huge, empty white space on the wall where they have been stacked. There are two phone books left under my end table: one for my area and one for Seth's.

Then I put on Bob Dylan singing Angelina and sit on front of the aquarium, waiting. I watch Davey and Dopey and company swim around their little world until I hear the garbage truck outside. Then I go to the door wall and watch as the dumpster is lifted, and then set back down again, empty. I watch and wonder why I'm crying.

*****

I call my mother a day before Seth is supposed to arrive. I don't know why, but I call her. It's like unfinished business. Clyde answers the phone and then goes into a coughing fit. Too much cigar smoking is my guess. I almost put the phone back on its cradle, but I don't. That would be too much like reverting to old habits.

"Hello. May I speak with my mother, please, Clyde?" I ask. If it's one thing I am with Clyde, it's polite.

"Catherine?" he asks, clearing his throat.

"Yes," I say.

"Just a moment." I wait as he goes to get her.

"Cathy?" It's my mother's voice, soft and concerned. I can close my eyes and see her, her dark hair, thick like mine, pulled back into a girlish ponytail she likes to wear around the house. I find myself wondering if there was a time when I felt genuine love for my mother. Once, I think, after I'd scraped all of the skin from both knees when I took a dive with my roller skates and she wiped away my tears and called me "Lovey," I felt something... It's the only time I can recall.

"Hello, Mother. It's me."

"Is something wrong? Are you ok?"

"Fine," I tell her, a little hoarse. Her tone brings that memory into focus, and I can close my eyes and see her, her hand on my cheek, her brow wrinkled, the lines around her eyes only faint then, her voice concerned as she asked, "Are you okay?"

"I just wanted to see how you were doing," I say.

"Fine," she says, and it seems that her voice is tighter now. "We're both fine." And of course, she has to bring Clyde into it.

"I'm glad," I say, gripping the phone. I remember her at the wedding, wearing white like she had a right to, and me standing by pretty-in-pink, a reminder.

There is a brief silence, an awkward one.

I try to sound cheerful, "Well, that's what I called for. I'll be seeing you."

"Cathy, wait," she says. I wait. "I heard about your job. Your new one."

"Yeah?"

She clears her throat. "I just wanted to tell you, I think it's terrific."

"Why?" I ask. "Because I'm typing in an office instead of working in a supermarket? A job is a job, Mother. I still don't have a college education. Are you going to tell me that it doesn't piss you off?"

"I wish you wouldn't say things like that. It sounds like you haven't changed a bit."

Weary, I say, "Ditto."

"Why did you really call?" she asks. "You haven't been interested in my life for years, why start now?"

I stare at the phone. "Interested in your life?"

A long silence stretches. I shake my head and sigh. "I called to see if I still had any feelings left for you," I tell her, realizing it as the truth.

"Oh... well?"

"Pity, Mother," I tell her. "That's about it."

I replace the receiver, make my way to the bathroom, shed my clothes, and get into the shower. I'm kneeling in the tub, letting water mix with my tears, when I hear the phone ring. I don't answer it. It stops after six rings and, for some reason, I cry harder.

*****

My hair is pulled back into a ponytail, and I sit barefoot and cross-legged on the couch, wearing a black velvet dress and watching the door. He is fifteen minutes late, and when he knocks, I'm afraid to answer.

"Cathy?"

It's his voice, all right, only it's close, much closer than it's ever been.

"Hi," I say, peeking through the crack I've made in the door. He's holding a bag that says Adidas on the side, carrying a guitar case over his shoulder and wearing jeans, a red shirt, and a blue-jean jacket.

"Cathy," he says. It's not a question, just my name, soft and sweet, like he knows me.

"Can I come in?" he asks after a moment.

I step back and swing the door open wider. He comes inside, setting his stuff down. I shut the door and lean against it. He looks around, his eyes settling back on me.

"It's nice," he says, nodding. I smile a little.

"Thank you. So are you," I say, and then bite my lip.

"Come here," he says, stretching an arm out. I drift toward him and he takes my hand. The response is instant and total, and I look down at our hands together in wonder, and then up at his face. He is serious, his eyes on mine. He takes my other hand and stands looking down at me, his breath warm on my face.

"Hi," he whispers. "I'm Seth."

"I'm God," I whisper back. "Nice to meet you."

He laughs and hugs me. I put my arms around him and close my eyes, marveling at the human contact, letting the warmth envelop us.

"I've waited so long to do this," he says into my hair.

"Too long," I reply. His arms tighten around me.

*****

I don't have a real bed, just a box spring and mattress shoved against the wall on the floor. It's a firm mattress, hard, really, and I'm still apologizing for it as I show him my room and he kisses me into silence. I've kissed lots of times, but this is different. This is Seth. His mouth is soft and firm, his lips wet, like the inside of a ripe plum. He tastes like cashews from the Chinese we ordered earlier.

His hands are already lifting my dress in back as he presses me against the dresser. My heart is racing, but so is my head. I break the kiss and slither out of his arms, moving toward the door. He is watching me, his eyes smiling.

"Where you goin', Cath?"

"Uhhh…" Where am I going? I make a quick decision. "Bathroom."

He nods and I go wash my face and flush the toilet, trying to keep my hands from shaking so much. I sit and stare at the wall for as long as I think I can, and then I go back to the bedroom.

The lights are off and he's lit a few of the small candles on my dresser. He's in my bed, bare-chested under my dark green comforter and he's smiling again.

"Come to bed." He holds his hand out to me. "I won't bite."

I lean against the door, my arms crossed over my chest. "Promise?"

"Only in all the right places." He wiggles his eyebrows and I smile, but my stomach hurts.

I move towards the bed and sit on the edge, facing the door.

His hand moves over the small of my back, rubbing, comforting. "Want me to unzip you?"

I nod, not trusting my voice, and he tugs my zipper down, opening my dress to my waist. I'm wearing nothing underneath it. The air is cold and I shiver. He is kissing my spine, vertebrae by vertebrae, from bottom to top.

"Seth." It's a whisper. I can't find my voice. It's caught somewhere under this lump in my throat.

His lips reach the back of my neck. The heat of his body is so foreign to me that it makes me flush. He moves my hair over my shoulder and I stiffen when his tongue slides along my hairline, his hands pushing my dress down over my shoulders.

"You're beautiful," he murmurs over my shoulder blade.

I shake my head, pulling one sleeve back up over my exposed skin. "Guys just say that."

"Is that what I am?" He sits back.

I can feel him, his eyes on me, but I don't turn. "What do you mean?"

"Am I just some guy?" He leans back against the wall.

I look at him over my shoulder, trying to keep my voice steady. "Yeah, that's right. Just some guy."

He shakes his head, frowning, and then his face relaxes into a sad smile. "Cathy, what are you so afraid of?"

"Nothing." I shrug, looking back at the door.

His laugh is soft, disbelieving. "Girls just say that."

It makes me smile. "Is that what I am?"

"Yeah," he says, stretching his legs out on either side of mine, wrapping his arms around my waist. "That's right, just some girl."

"You are so mean to me," I whisper, leaning back against him.

His silent laughter shakes through us both, his bare chest against my exposed back. "I know. I'm so awful. Just like all those other guys, out for one thing…"

"You are!" I muffle a laugh with my hand.

He pulls me over his lap, and I squeal, the motion a surprise. I am trapped between his scissored legs, lying back across the bed.

Seth grins. "So how about you give me what I want, then, huh?"

I stick out my tongue at him.

"Yep, that's what I want," he says, leaning in to kiss me, following my tongue's retreat deep into my mouth. It's as if some electrical current is passing from his body into mine. I break the kiss, putting my arms around his neck. His mouth moves over my throat, the light heat of his breath punctuated by soft kisses.

I open my eyes and watch the three flickering circles made by the candles on the ceiling as he kisses my dress off each shoulder. I shiver, the air over my breasts a shock, but have no time to think about it before he's nuzzling each of them in turn, as if trying to decide which one he likes best. That thought makes me want to giggle and I stifle it, watching his bent head move toward my nipple.

I feel outside of myself, as I almost always do, watching him take my dark nipple between his lips. I feel the sensation, I feel his tongue swirling around the nipple, I feel his fingers rolling the other nipple between his thumb and forefinger, and yet I feel numb. I look back up at those three shadowy circles, wanting a beacon to call me home. I want to know what home looks like, feels like.

He stops, and I look down at his eyes searching mine. What is he thinking?

"Cathy, you're not even breathing," he whispers, kissing the underside of my breast, his lips soft and warm.

"I'm not?"

He takes one of my hands that I'm gripping the sheet with, a clenched fist, and he urges me to open it, pressing it against his, palm to palm. My hands are small and soft, his large and calloused. Sitting up, he slides my dress down over my hips, my thighs, tossing it over my desk chair in the corner.

"Nice shot," I remark. He smiles, but my body is his focus and his eyes move over me in the candlelight. I've never felt so exposed.

He takes my hand and rests it below my navel. "Here. Breathe here." I try, and he waits, watching me. "Move my hand, up and down, with your breath." He places his hand over mine. I can feel the weight against my womb, an easy pressure, sinking my spine down deeper into the bed.

"I'm trying," I say. I bite my lip, closing my eyes, focusing all of my attention on my breath. It's a shaky rhythm.

"Yes! There it is," he murmurs, and I smile at his praise. I can feel my belly lifting our hands. "Right there. Don't stop that."

I want to giggle again but I don't. I look up at him, his eyes reflecting the candlelight, and for the first time, I see him. The awkward hello, the hesitation, it all melts with the heat of my belly's breath moving our hands, the flickering flames in his eyes. I see Seth, and he sees me, and just for that one moment, there's no more fear.

Not moving his hand, he leans over and kisses me. In just moments, I can feel myself floating away again, and he presses his hand against mine under my navel, a gentle reminder. He nods against my lips, not breaking our kiss, when he feels me breathing more deeply into my belly.

"Keep breathing," he murmurs, sliding down my body to settle between my legs. And still, he doesn't move his hand. His cheek rests against my thigh, his mouth close enough to my pussy to move my pubic hair, and his hand covering mine just above my mound.

"Seth," I whisper. "Please."

He nods, looking up at me. "It's ok. Keep breathing." His hand presses and I breathe, closing my eyes as his tongue finds my center. At first there's nothing except that sense of watching myself. Then a slow, rising tickle starts as his tongue moves through my slit, easing back and forth over my clit with an easy persistence.

"Seth," I say, my hand reaching for him, gathering his fine, soft blonde hair and grasping. His tongue moves back and forth over the sensitive bud of my clit, and the shadows deepen around me. I am floating again, this time inward instead of outward.

My breath comes faster and harder now, reminding me to stay here, stay right here, with his mouth and his tongue and his hand on my belly. I move my hips, pulling him closer into me, wiggling toward the right spot, the best place.

"Ahhh god, yes," I moan, and he moans too, sending a shockwave up my spine with the vibration of his tongue. His fingers slip through my wetness, making a soft, squelching sound as he slides first one, then two fingers inside of me. I gasp and buck against him.

"Don't stop," I beg, opening my legs for more, the tickle moving toward tremor. He shakes his head, no, he isn't stopping and the sensation overtakes me. I rise up to meet him like a wave and he presses his hand into my belly as I cum. I breathe into it again and again and again.

He is holding me, rolling me over with him and kissing my cheek and my ear and my throat. I slip my hand down under the sheet that he's pulled up over us, smiling to find him still wearing his briefs. Maybe I'm not the only one who's shy.

"Your turn," I whisper against his mouth, kissing my way over his chest, his belly. He is hard, and I press my cheek against his cock through his underwear, breathing in the scent of him. He watches me, his eyes half closed, as I nuzzle against him, using my tongue to explore the soft give of his balls, the straining, bent angle of his cock through the material.

"Are you breathing?" I tease, smiling up at him and sliding his briefs down to let his cock spring free. He smiles, and then moans when I begin tracing the tip with my tongue.

I know how to do this. First, I take him as deep as I can, the softness of the head near the back of my throat. I love the sound and feel of him, the soft groans, his hands moving my hair so he can watch me suck him.

I match my rhythm to his breath, slow at first, then faster, my tongue stopping to swirl around the tip. I taste his pre-cum mixing with my saliva, making my path smoother up and down his shaft. He grips my head, pushing hard into my mouth, moaning. I take him, all of him, pressing him against the roof of my mouth with the flat of my tongue, squeezing.

"Oh, god," he moans, easing me off his cock. My tongue reaches for it, and there is a string of saliva attaching us, from mouth to tip. He looks at it, at me, his eyes dark and full of lust.

He is on me before I know what's happening. We are rolling again on the bed, his cock like steel heat between us. I can feel it pressing my thigh, my hip, my pussy, as we thrash and kiss and push and pull at each other.

"I want to be inside of you," he says against my breasts, his mouth eager, demanding, moving between my nipples.

"Yes," I breathe. I want what he wants. Beyond want, my body is opening, my arms, my legs, my pussy, like one wide open ache. He moves onto me, reaching between our legs to slide his cock over my wet mound, seeking and finding the give. I've never had anything but fingers inside of me before.

"Oh! Wait!" I stiffen, clutching his arms and crying out. He stops, his cock angled right there, seeking entrance. He rocks his hips back and forth, looking down into my eyes, moving just the tip of him in and out.

"You feel so incredible," he whispers, his eyes closing for a moment and then opening back up to me. "Please."

I nod, moving my hips, lifting my legs to help him. He moves forward, pushing into and past my burning edges. I gasp and close myself around him, gripping him tightly.

He waits, his breath ragged against my ear, until I whisper, "Ok." Then he starts to move, and I am moved by him, his arms trembling as he holds himself above me, his teeth biting the soft flesh of his lip, his cock throbbing between my legs in a sea of wetness, his belly and balls pressing into me with every thrust, again and again.

I look down, watching him slide into me, reaching down in wonder to feel him, to feel the place where we are joined, the sensation of him moving in and out of me like a wet secret. Faster now, sinking down onto me, the weight of him is a shock as his hips thrust deeper, harder. I take him, the weight and heat and pulse of him.

He growls and moans into my ear, a sound that moves through me like water, and then he shoves into me hard, one last time, his full weight behind it, taking my breath. His whole body shudders as he collapses onto me. I kiss his shoulder, the salty taste of sweat burning my lips, feeling a trickling heat easing down my thighs.

We are quiet for a long time, and I can feel everything: the throbbing sting between my legs, the way my breasts are flattened under the weight of him, the ever slowing beat of his heart in his chest, and in mine. I can feel the tears burning behind my eyes and I can see the fading reflected glow of the candles on the ceiling, only two glowing circles now. One has burned out. I breathe deeply into my belly, my eyes closing as we start to fade into darkness together, hoping that I remember to feel this way forever.

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Seth shows me his guitar. He's been practicing a Bob Dylan song just for me, he says, and I sit on the edge of my bed wrapped in a sheet, watching him tune his instrument. It's beautiful, with a full, round mahogany belly and long, thin black neck. Seth is beautiful, his hair falling over his eyes, but he doesn't notice. He has them closed, and he's listening to the strings, one by one, as they come into some mysterious harmony.

And then he plays for me. I swallow around a hard lump in my throat as I listen. No one has ever played a song just for me before. No one has ever done anything just for me.

Buckets of moonbeams in my hand,
I got all the love, honey baby,
You can stand.

He's got a rough voice, surprising from him. It has an edge you wouldn't expect from a man who looks so easy. I am startled but not surprised at all. This is Seth, too. His fingers are slender and long, and as I watch him strumming, I remember his fingers inside of me, his hands in my hair and gripping my hips. The music fills the room, and seeps into me through all of the places where I have felt cracked open and bleeding.

I been meek, and hard like an oak
I seen pretty people disappear like smoke.
Friends will arrive, friends will disappear,
If you want me, honey baby,
I'll be here.

He smiles at me and opens his eyes for the first time since he started singing. Maybe he just got the courage, and that thought makes me smile back. He's looking at me like a question, and I blow him a kiss. Maybe he's remembering, like I am, the way our lips move together. I watch his mouth and remember.

I like the way you love me strong and slow,
I'm takin' you with me, honey baby,
When I go.

I love Bob Dylan. There is no other man in the world who has ever looked inside of me the way that he does. Until now. The words are coming from Seth, and he is singing them just for me. He means them. It's in his eyes, the way his hands move over the strings, the way his bare foot taps out a beat.

You do what you must do and ya do it well,
I'll do it for you, honey baby,
Can't you tell?*

The song ends with a beautiful hum, the guitar strings still vibrating in his hands. My whole body feels as if it's humming, too. It floats there between us for a while and we look at each other, riding it like a gentle wave. When he asks me what I think, I unstrap his guitar from him, set it aside, and kiss him down to the bed.

*****

I sit in front of my quiet aquarium wearing a bra and panties, looking into the secret world of fish. My hair feels silky across my arms as I hug my knees to my chest.

"Cath?" I look up and see him wearing a pair of green plaid sleep shorts. I see his ribs when he stretches before he sits beside me and it reminds me of the picture I have of him stuck into the corner of my mirror. Amazing, that they are both one in the same. "Are you okay?"

I don't answer him but I marvel, as he puts his arms around my shoulder and leans his head against mine, that he is here at all, in my world.

"I called my mother yesterday," I tell him. "She hates me."

"No," he says, stroking my hair. "No one could hate you."

I shrug, watching Doc poke around some plastic seaweed.

"I guess." I put my head on his shoulder, an already familiar gesture.

"Are you sorry that you let me stay?" he asks after a moment.

"No." I kiss his collarbone. "I'm sorry I didn't ask you to come sooner. I was just afraid."

"Of what?"

"That you wouldn't like me, I guess."

"Oh, Cath."

We sit in the dimness, listening to the gurgle of the aquarium.

"Seth?"

"Hmm?"

"Do you ever get depressed?"

He squeezes my hand. "Sometimes. Not too often."

"How come?" I ask, tilting my head at him.

He lifts his eyes to look into mine. "Because I like myself."

He smiles—I have fallen in love with his smile—and he kisses me, tender and lingering.

I am too small to contain what I feel.



*****


*Buckets of Rain by Bob Dylan
 
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1. I've been told I should take the sex out of this (or dampen it down) and send it in for mainstream publication. What would it do to/for the story?

For what it's worth, I don't think the sex should be taken out, but if you want to go mainstream with it, I'd say dampen it down some. The sex seems to be an intregal part of her acceptance, of herself and of Seth, and if that's the case, vital to the story. You have the talent and skill necessary to allude to what's happening without drawing a picture.

2. Any suggestions where there might be a market for this story in mainstream? What about in erotica?

No clue.

3. Any comments are welcome. Does the story work for you? Do you like/are you interested in these characters? Is it believable? Does the tense/POV work for you?

Does the story work for me? In what way? Did it grab my attention? Yes. Did it keep my attention? Yes. You are an excellent writer with one hell of an imagination. I didn't find the story arousing in the slightest, but that doesn't matter to me, it was a good story.

I enjoyed the characters, loved the way they met. I have only a vague image of what they look like, despite the descriptions, but I think that's typical of me. Her depression and need for connection is palpable. His sense of adventure and curiosity is clear. She comes across as lost, not insane.

Believable? Yeah, I'd believe something like that happening. I knew someone years ago who had several chats that began with a random call. Considering how I met my husband, and how many people have connected through Lit, it CAN happen.

Didn't care for the tense or POV, but it may be what made the story work. I can't say for sure. Would I purchase this story after glancing at the first few pages? No. Would I purchase it after reading the first two paragraphs? Maybe. It would depend on my mood at the moment, how much money I had in my pocket, and what I was looking for initially. Would I purchase it because of Author name? You betcha. ;) I have several books in my collection that were purchased simply because of the author. Some of them are lousy, lol. You gotta write what the story and characters tell you to.


Don't hold back. ;)

I didn't. :kiss:

The story follows (in case you're too lazy to click over!):

I clicked, lol.
 
Thanks Minxie :kiss:
I've gone back and forth on the POV thing... I almost think it does work because of the tense... it would be interesting to try it/read it in past tense, but I think I'm too close to judge... lol

I'm not surprised you get only a vague sense of what they look like... most of my characters are like that...

interesting to know you'd buy it based on my name alone... I'm like that with some authors, too...
 
Thanks for dropping in, Selena,

Here are some questions related to those of Selena:

1. Does the present tense work? What makes it work, if it does?

2. Is the sex and 'add on' or essential; Is the amount of detail appropriate to the story?

3. It is an age-old idea, intimate connection through sex; this would include emotional connection. Often, we know it's illusory; one or both *believe* they're close; one or both trust; but things are not as they seem.

Does the author give any reason to think that this sex is truly intimate? better stated: ...that this new couple have achieved true intimacy? (I appears she means the reader to have that impression.)

4. What about the pacing of the story? My impression is that the story-story happens pretty much in the first half, up to her saying, 'come visit.' We see hesitations, etc.

The second half is the visit, which goes just fine, no hitches. We expect something, and it happens, step by step.

One might look at this two ways: do we have the fulfillment of a promise, so to say? Like long separated lovers finally unite.

Or, from another POV, does the second half essentially 'tread water.'

The second part is not entirely devoid of question; the main question of the second half is, 'will Cathy open up and experience sexual loving'. But...

5. Does the author leave enough suspense or doubt about this? or is it totally expected? If the latter, is that a flaw.

6. The girl appears to be a virgin. Is 'loss of virginity' or 'gaining of experience' handled well? Is too little made of this change, or are we to assume she's basically a sophisticate (ready for the change).

7. What larger frame for the presently narrated events would make sense, if that's a possibility?

My answer to this, Selena, is that I could see this being maybe 3-5 times as long. Why? Because some issues need to be worked through. A social isolate can't fuck her way to intimacy, like a knife through butter.

Maybe you might consider another, say, two chapters, where her issues come up and get or don't get resolved. For example, cutting off, is her preferred way. Let some small thing happen and have her draw back; perhaps almost fatally for the relationship. Then let there be a coming together or an attempt that reflects some maturity or knowledge gained (or her failure to gain such).

Perhaps others wish to comment on this idea of a bigger frame.

Thanks Selena for a fine story, extremely well crafted. :rose:
 
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Hi Selena,

The narrator's voice in this one is so unique. And exquisite.

I read the opening of this story months ago- I'm not sure when. I loved it then and I love it now, but I'm still not really sure why. It's a lot of telling- but it's such fantastic telling, you know? I really like the first two sections- the ones about phone books and her family.

And I love that first conversation with Seth. Riveting.

The present tense is ok, but I'm not sure it wouldn't be better in past tense. So hard to say. With so many scenes, I would never have chosen present tense, but it kinda adds to the overall weirdness- in a good way. Is there any reason you made this choice?

I think you can leave out the sex if you want. Maybe cut the scene right at the zipper? The sex didn't really interest me much- I was pretty sure she'd get some action, I just wanted to know what would happen afterward. And it's perfect- just like the opening.

Thanks for sharing,
Penny
 
angelicminx said:
I don't think the sex should be taken out, but if you want to go mainstream with it, I'd say dampen it down some. The sex seems to be an integral part of her acceptance, of herself and of Seth, and if that's the case, vital to the story.
I agree. Sort of. Maybe. For me, the question over the second half of the story wasn't whether they'd do it, but how she would react afterward. Because of this, I didn't find the details of their intimacy important- so while I agree it is a part of her acceptance and opening up, I don't see why it can't all be implied.


Pure said:
The girl appears to be a virgin. Is 'loss of virginity' or 'gaining of experience' handled well? Is too little made of this change, or are we to assume she's basically a sophisticate (ready for the change).
She has so much baggage that I never really pictured her as innocent. It might be just a shade more believable if she isn't a virgin in the physical sense, but this wasn't a big issue for me.


Pure said:
My impression is that the story-story happens pretty much in the first half, up to her saying, 'come visit.' We see hesitations, etc.

The second half is the visit, which goes just fine, no hitches. We expect something, and it happens, step by step.
I may have had some similar thoughts- that the tension drops when she agrees to his visit. If this is an issue, it seems one easy way to maintain the suspense without changing the story much would be to have her reject the offer, yeah- cut him off. Then she can regret it, try to get a hold of him, fail, imagine he's taken the hint and moved on, only to have him show up on her doorstep. That would work for me.


That kiss at the end. Adorable. It's so much sexier than the sex. The way I read it, they still have some things to work out, but she's going to take a chance on love- and that's what matters.
 
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SelenaKittyn said:
Connections

1. I've been told I should take the sex out of this (or dampen it down) and send it in for mainstream publication. What would it do to/for the story? I wouldn't take the sex completely out. If it's for mainstream publication, it may need to be toned down a bit, but I don't think it will hurt the story.

2. Any suggestions where there might be a market for this story in mainstream? What about in erotica? I have no idea, what do I know?

3. Any comments are welcome. Does the story work for you? Do you like/are you interested in these characters? Is it believable? Does the tense/POV work for you? Yes, the story worked for me. I thought both Seth and Cathy were very well written, and I found them both interesting. Yes, I found it very believable, and both the tense and POV worked very well for me. Overall, I enjoyed this story a lot. I loved that you had Seth play some Bob Dylan, I thought his music was the perfect match for this story.

Don't hold back. ;)

Well, although I don't feel qualified to really critique any one else's work there's my thoughts on your story.
 
A social isolate can't fuck her way to intimacy, like a knife through butter.

hm... the sexual intimacy is simply the culmination of the intimacy that has been building over time... the little snippet of conversations between them are meant to give the reader a sense of her opening, slowly, over time... a sort of blooming... so that when Seth visits, she is already more than halfway there...

Maybe you might consider another, say, two chapters, where her issues come up and get or don't get resolved.

but they do... with her mother. She actually reaches out a makes a connection (however brief) with someone... consciously, with intention... she's not "there"... but she's "getting there..."

For example, cutting off, is her preferred way. Let some small thing happen and have her draw back; perhaps almost fatally for the relationship. Then let there be a coming together or an attempt that reflects some maturity or knowledge gained (or her failure to gain such).

I could see doing this... thanks for the thought, Pure... it would definitely be a Cathy thing to do...
 
It might be just a shade more believable if she isn't a virgin in the physical sense, but this wasn't a big issue for me.

That was actually written for category... "first time"... I'd probably change it now... :)
 
drksideofthemoon said:
Well, although I don't feel qualified to really critique any one else's work there's my thoughts on your story.

I appreciate it, drk :kiss: Wasn't Bob Dylan perfect? I'm not even a big fan... but she was... lol
 
Interesting Story - I'll come back after I've slept on it.

Immediate reaction? I thought I'd read two different stories pinned together. I'm not sure I like Seth's voice 'in person'. It's fine for the telephone but he seems to me to be still talking through a telephone when they are one-on-one.

I'll read this again in the morn and put in a more detailed response.

The first section is brilliant, by the way.
 
SelenaKittyn said:
hm... the sexual intimacy is simply the culmination of the intimacy that has been building over time... the little snippet of conversations between them are meant to give the reader a sense of her opening, slowly, over time... a sort of blooming... so that when Seth visits, she is already more than halfway there...

I agree totally with you. I've reread the story now for the fourth time. I can feel the time passing, and Cathy changing. I could feel her coming out of her shell as she got to know Seth....
 
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drksideofthemoon said:
Well, although I don't feel qualified to really critique any one else's work there's my thoughts on your story.
Pffffft!~ You're plenty qualified!

Selena said:
the sexual intimacy is simply the culmination of the intimacy that has been building over time... the little snippet of conversations between them are meant to give the reader a sense of her opening, slowly, over time... a sort of blooming... so that when Seth visits, she is already more than halfway there...
I think she's *way* more than halfway there when she accepts.

Reading the story again, I found yet another line to love:
"That you wouldn't like me, I guess."
Beautiful.
 
Penelope Street said:
Pffffft!~ You're plenty qualified!

I think she's *way* more than halfway there when she accepts.

Reading the story again, I found yet another line to love:
"That you wouldn't like me, I guess."
Beautiful.

LOL...Obviously you haven't read anything by me....

I agree with you, that Cathy is more than halfway there...

The other thing I like about this story is that everytime I read it, I seem to find something new in it.....
 
This is an exceptional piece of writing, thank you for posting it for comments. I've some reservations outlined below. Naturally, you should ignore them at will.

1. I've been told I should take the sex out of this (or dampen it down) and send it in for mainstream publication. What would it do to/for the story? I wouldn't take the sex out for mainstream publication - the climate is changing is changing faster than Seth can get out of his shorts. On the other hand - I'm not sure I would have the sex in - see below.

2. Any suggestions where there might be a market for this story in mainstream? What about in erotica? I'm afraid not. It is possibly too short other than for an anthology of short stories (not popular with publishers).

3. Any comments are welcome. Does the story work for you? Do you like/are you interested in these characters? Is it believable? Does the tense/POV work for you?
Four questions in one here. Excellent writing, and pretty much believable, with riders as commented below. I like Cath/Cathy (the transitions irritate - particularly as Seth's previous girlfriend was also Cathy - why not make one of the Cathy's - Kathy with a K?) I'm not sure that I like Seth - again, see below. No problem with the tense - it's a difficult write and I think you pulled it off.

P1. Does the present tense work? What makes it work, if it does? Yes. What works about it is you keep the story current, which is what it requires in this format. It's a struggle to write and Selena handles it well. I'm not sure you could really get away with it if it were longer as is does require the reader almost to tackle the read in one sitting. The breaks are not 'chapter breaks' - they are writers/transition breaks, hence there is no simple pause point in the read.

P2. Is the sex and 'add on' or essential; Is the amount of detail appropriate to the story? The sex is going to happen, you could leave out the entire scene and know it happened. The detail strips away innocence - I'm not convinced this is entirely appropriate - it causes me to question Seth's motives, rather than Cathy's.

P3. It is an age-old idea, intimate connection through sex; this would include emotional connection. Often, we know it's illusory; one or both *believe* they're close; one or both trust; but things are not as they seem.

Does the author give any reason to think that this sex is truly intimate? better stated: ...that this new couple have achieved true intimacy? (I appears she means the reader to have that impression.)
Don't think it matters Pure. It's a 'right of passage' for Cathy - that's the story.

P4. What about the pacing of the story? My impression is that the story-story happens pretty much in the first half, up to her saying, 'come visit.' We see hesitations, etc.
The second half is the visit, which goes just fine, no hitches. We expect something, and it happens, step by step. One might look at this two ways: do we have the fulfillment of a promise, so to say? Like long separated lovers finally unite. Or, from another POV, does the second half essentially 'tread water.'
The second part is not entirely devoid of question; the main question of the second half is, 'will Cathy open up and experience sexual loving'. But...
Personally, I prefer the first half, and I still stick by my original impression (see my first post). I'd be interested to know when the second half was written relative to the first half. The second half doesn't exactly 'tread water' - other than in being pretty sure (on a sex writers site) where it is going, but I do generally find it of less conviction. (see comments below)

P5. Does the author leave enough suspense or doubt about this? or is it totally expected? If the latter, is that a flaw. Well... it's totally expected on a site publishing sex stories. For mainstream publishing, it would come as quite a shock since the transition from phone to sex is instant. This is where a publisher is likely to have problems, less so the content than the transition.

P6. The girl appears to be a virgin. Is 'loss of virginity' or 'gaining of experience' handled well? Is too little made of this change, or are we to assume she's basically a sophisticate (ready for the change). See comments below.

P7. What larger frame for the presently narrated events would make sense, if that's a possibility? I think it will be problematic to expand this excellent story and maintain the same format. It would need pacing over chapters. I'm not sure this format lends itself to expansion (see comments above). But, I think it needs expanding for mainstream publishing, possibly to novelete length <20k> ish.

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Every time I think of the funeral, I see her blushing as she lifted her wedding dress higher on her slim leg, pretending to be so pure. Everything with her is pretending. She's like an aging, dark-haired Barbie doll. I don't like her much, now, and I know she doesn't like me, either, so that's okay. She will never accept the fact that the world doesn't revolve around her, and she knows that I see through her charade. She thinks that I loved my father more than I did her. She's right.
Look at the weight in this passage! All the angst, the underlying jealousy, rivallery - brilliant.
"Why did you really call?" she asks. "You haven't been interested in my life for years, why start now?"

I stare at the phone. "Interested in your life?"

A long silence stretches. I shake my head and sigh. "I called to see if I still had any feelings left for you," I tell her, realizing it as the truth.

"Oh... well?"

"Pity, Mother," I tell her. "That's about it."

I replace the receiver, make my way to the bathroom, shed my clothes, and get into the shower. I'm kneeling in the tub, letting water mix with my tears, when I hear the phone ring. I don't answer it. It stops after six rings and, for some reason, I cry harder.
And look at this, (I'd lose 'Mother' after Pity - by the way) with all the anquish, the last thing she does before receiving Seth is to call her Mother.

The sex is almost superfluous after this, and I'm not sure that it doesn't distract from all that's gone before. She's made her decision, reconciled herself - as best as she's able - let go of the past. As others have said, 'she's ready'. In a sense, it doesn't matter who she surrenders to, she surrendered to herself - I think that was the point, and what follows has a discordinant ring (for me) since we largely know, through the symbolic discarding of the phone books, she's ready to move on; and I'm less convinced by Seth's sincerity in the second half. (see below)

So, this is where I begin to have problems with the second part:
I don't have a real bed, just a box spring and mattress shoved against the wall on the floor. It's a firm mattress, hard, really, and I'm still apologizing for it as I show him my room and he kisses me into silence. I've kissed lots of times, but this is different. This is Seth. His mouth is soft and firm, his lips wet, like the inside of a ripe plum. He tastes like cashews from the Chinese we ordered earlier.

His hands are already lifting my dress in back as he presses me against the dresser. My heart is racing, but so is my head. I break the kiss and slither out of his arms, moving toward the door. He is watching me, his eyes smiling.

"Where you goin', Cath?"

"Uhhh…" Where am I going? I make a quick decision. "Bathroom."
I feel I've missed a scene here. When did they order Chinese? She's pressed against the dresser, how is he raising her dress? I know what you mean, and I know it's easily done, but it jars (with me), particularly since it appears to be the first move he makes and I find it slightly out of kilter with their telephone conversations, and what follows. He's still wearing his shorts in bed.

That's a kind of 'cop out', I don't see the point of it and it shakes my confidence in his self belief. OK - she's essentially the strong one, but he's making all the moves, so why get into bed with your shorts on?

Essentially, I'm not getting inside Seth's head. He's one dimensional - largely a POV perspective in the way the story is told, and I kind of feel, until the very end, that he is 'just another guy', and it's the sex scene that drives that impression.

Did he realise she was a virgin? Pretty big deal - for both of them.

Jumping to the Dylan scene - I'm not sure what to say about this. It's clearly pretty important to you, and I'm always irritated by anyone who can quote the words of songs (kidding), but it breaks the story line in a less than convincing way, for me.


ETA I note you were a RAUXA Runner-up with this story - Congratulations :rose:
That suggests to me that you definetely want mainstream publication since the story is recognised as excellent. My advice, for what it is worth, is to try to find yourself a literary agent and discuss with them what changes might be required for mainstream publication. You have leverage (Rauxa + epublished), finding an agent may take time but will defintely be worth the effort. and the advice you will receive, from a commercial perspective, will be worth the trouble. Likely as not, you will have to do a certain amount of re-write for a publisher - I spent my New Year dinner with two, their attitude to writers, and their arrogance, was spine numbingly chilling - they will have their input to your work and will expect you to note their requirements! An agent might save a lot of heartache in the long run.
 
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Hi Selena,

Lovely story!

I haven't read the others' comments yet, so I may tread over some well-worn territory here.

1. I've been told I should take the sex out of this (or dampen it down) and send it in for mainstream publication. What would it do to/for the story?

I'm not in any position to offer advice about what will aid or hamper you in getting the story published, so my thoughts at strictly with regard to how I feel the sex works in the story. The sex, here, is clearly important. It is the emotional climax of the story, and it is a pivot point at which Cathy's character develops into something other that what it was at the opening of the story. I think you could “dampen it down” without harming the story by simply eliding a few very concrete physiological details (words and phrases such as “bud of my clit,” “slit,” etc.), but keeping in the sense of what's going on, and Cathy's physical and emotional response to all of it.

I happen to greatly appreciate a story which stands on its own, without explicit sex, but includes it anyway. I dislike that there is, largely, a hard border between “literature” and “erotica.” Life includes sex, and the experience of it shouldn't be conveyed only obliquely in good stories about interesting people.

2. Any suggestions where there might be a market for this story in mainstream? What about in erotica?

I'm no help to you, there.

3. Any comments are welcome. Does the story work for you? Do you like/are you interested in these characters? Is it believable? Does the tense/POV work for you?

The story works for me, very well. I found Cathy vulnerable and endearing without being whiny or maudlin. She came through vividly, and she was easy to empathize with. Seth comes across as very sweet. Patient and kind. There are a couple suggestions there's more to him—he mentions being a weirdo, and later Cathy mentions something about there being an edge to him, but that didn't really come through, for me. I'm left with the feeling he's a good first serious lover for Cathy, someone who could help her become a happier person, but probably not likely to have the mettle to go the distance with her.

The POV and tense worked perfectly well for me. I've been writing something in the present tense, myself, and mine jars me a tad every time I sit down and start reading/writing it after a hiatus, but I didn't have that problem at all, here. I think part of the reason might be because at first it seems like the narrator is only talking about herself in the present, but that the story might get revealed in past tense, then by the time the story begins, the present tense is already familiar and comfortable.

Other thoughts:

The opening interests me almost immediately, and by the end of the opening section, I'm engaged, and want to know where this is going. Your narrator's voice feels natural, believable. And, while not undermining that with an “authorial” voice with a vast vocabulary and complex sentence structure, you get across some nice details—like the light coming from the aquarium, the crooked phone, the cord-twisting—which set the scene nicely.

You do a nice, subtle reveal on the narrator's sex and approximate age, though at the point when her mother's wedding is mentioned, I feel a little confused as to whether the narrator is speaking from the same time in the opening as in the second section. The opening had me supposing the narrator was much older than someone who'd be wearing their prom dress to their mother's wedding just three years earlier. The comment that “The phone company used to give phone books away free,” suggests the narrator's been around long enough to see such a change, and it seems to stand as a marker of a significant passage of time in the narrator's life. Also the phone in the opening section seems not to be a contemporary, cordless phone, which had me thinking either that this story was taking place in the past, or that the narrator is an older person who hasn't moved on to contemporary technology.

And there's another nice character-developing reveal as to the time the story is set, with the comment about George Harrison being dead.

After all the Beatles, Monkees, and Dylan references, it seems a bit incongruous that the narrator is so young (21, as we discover later), which would mean she was born between 1980 and 1986 (the time span possible allowing for George Harrison being dead, up to the present). The cultural references suggest someone older, or a story taking place earlier, but as she isn't, I'm curious to know why these cultural references are important to her.

-Varian
 
Varian P said:
After all the Beatles, Monkees, and Dylan references, it seems a bit incongruous that the narrator is so young (21, as we discover later), which would mean she was born between 1980 and 1986 (the time span possible allowing for George Harrison being dead, up to the present). The cultural references suggest someone older, or a story taking place earlier, but as she isn't, I'm curious to know why these cultural references are important to her.

-Varian

I disagree with you somewhat on this point. Both the Beatles and Dylan are iconic symbols of music. They didn't just make music, they helped define and shape the music of their era.

Here is my take on Cathy (and I could be totally out to lunch). She is a very bright young woman who is disillusioned. Look at her comments about University. I think she would search for music that she felt had some meaning to it, and I think Dylan was an excellent choice.

But, as always, these are only my opinions...
 
drksideofthemoon said:
I disagree with you somewhat on this point. Both the Beatles and Dylan are iconic symbols of music. They didn't just make music, they helped define and shape the music of their era.

Here is my take on Cathy (and I could be totally out to lunch). She is a very bright young woman who is disillusioned. Look at her comments about University. I think she would search for music that she felt had some meaning to it, and I think Dylan was an excellent choice.

But, as always, these are only my opinions...

You're absolutely right about Dylan and the Beatles being iconic, and they certainly transcend generational barriers in ways other music from that era doesn't. And I don't at all disagree that it makes perfect sense that Dylan be important to Cathy.

But it struck me as curious that all her cultural references precede those of her own generation. it suggests there's a little layer to her character that is left mostly hidden and unexplained.
 
Varian P said:
You're absolutely right about Dylan and the Beatles being iconic, and they certainly transcend generational barriers in ways other music from that era doesn't. And I don't at all disagree that it makes perfect sense that Dylan be important to Cathy.

But it struck me as curious that all her cultural references precede those of her own generation. it suggests there's a little layer to her character that is left mostly hidden and unexplained.

I agree with that totally, it seems that more that one looks at Cathy, the more complex she becomes.
 
drksideofthemoon said:
Hmmm...I suppose that would count.
While I was being a little silly, I was a little serious too. You are plenty qualified


Varian said:
... there's another nice character-developing reveal as to the time the story is set, with the comment about George Harrison being dead.

After all the Beatles, Monkees, and Dylan references, it seems a bit incongruous that the narrator is so young (21, as we discover later), which would mean she was born between 1980 and 1986 (the time span possible allowing for George Harrison being dead, up to the present). The cultural references suggest someone older, or a story taking place earlier, but as she isn't, I'm curious to know why these cultural references are important to her.
Oh, wow- great observation! I totally missed all the time frame stuff. Then again, my father and brother are both Beatles *nuts*, so I guess I didn't want to think too much about it, you know? I did find it a really nice touch that, not only does she name her fish, but she doesn't want to name them after a dead person. Our fish is "Sharky-larky". Not sure what that says. :rolleyes:

The more I think about it, the more I think that brilliant last line doesn't work anywhere near as well in the past tense.
 
Okay... confession time :)

I wrote this piece in a creative writing class when I was seventeen years old. And Neo is spot on with his assessment that the second half doesn't jive with the first... I wrote it almost 20 years later. (jesusgod am I that old?? :eek: ) I added the sex for Lit. I have always loved this story... I wanted to see what other people thought, so I added the sex and posted it here. (The sex was implied in the former version but not explicit) So the cultural references being old... yeah... that's why. Also, the phone company DID used to give phone books away for free... LOL That's where the idea came from...

But this was written in a time before cell phones, even before the Internet was very popular... and frankly, it was after Bob Dylan and the Beatles were popular (they were considered "classic rock" by then) but Bri (Drk) was right about Cathy's tastes... looking for something with meaning...

I wonder if I should just leave it in the past? Any ideas how to do that? Just indicate that this is 1987, or whatever... but how would that affect the story, I wonder? Just thinking out loud...

I agree that Seth needs some more depth to him... (what did I know about men when I was 17? :eek: )
 
SelenaKittyn said:
Okay... confession time :)

I wrote this piece in a creative writing class when I was seventeen years old. And Neo is spot on with his assessment that the second half doesn't jive with the first... I wrote it almost 20 years later. (jesusgod am I that old?? :eek: ) I added the sex for Lit. I have always loved this story... I wanted to see what other people thought, so I added the sex and posted it here. (The sex was implied in the former version but not explicit) So the cultural references being old... yeah... that's why. Also, the phone company DID used to give phone books away for free... LOL That's where the idea came from...

But this was written in a time before cell phones, even before the Internet was very popular... and frankly, it was after Bob Dylan and the Beatles were popular (they were considered "classic rock" by then) but Bri (Drk) was right about Cathy's tastes... looking for something with meaning...

I wonder if I should just leave it in the past? Any ideas how to do that? Just indicate that this is 1987, or whatever... but how would that affect the story, I wonder? Just thinking out loud...

I agree that Seth needs some more depth to him... (what did I know about men when I was 17? :eek: )


Moving it back to 1987 might help, it would explain the lack of current technology in their lives...You have her blocking her Caller ID, while the technology for Caller ID (ANI-Automatic Number Identification) has been around since the 70's, I don't think it came into widespread use with telco customers until the early 90's.

But, the problem with 1987 is that Mr. Harrison was alive and well....

How indicate it was 1987? Well, the telephone companies produced at least one new issue every year...maybe something when you are describing the phone books?

Does the exact year really matter in this story? In my opinion--no, it doesn't.

I don't know if Seth needs more depth. Isn't this story about Cathy? And not about Cathy and Seth.
 
drksideofthemoon said:
Moving it back to 1987 might help, it would explain the lack of current technology in their lives...You have her blocking her Caller ID, while the technology for Caller ID (ANI-Automatic Number Identification) has been around since the 70's, I don't think it came into widespread use with telco customers until the early 90's.

But, the problem with 1987 is that Mr. Harrison was alive and well....

How indicate it was 1987? Well, the telephone companies produced at least one new issue every year...maybe something when you are describing the phone books?

Does the exact year really matter in this story? In my opinion--no, it doesn't.

I don't know if Seth needs more depth. Isn't this story about Cathy? And not about Cathy and Seth.


Yeah well I added the current references... i.e. Mr. Harrison... trying to set it in a more current time... :eek:
 
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