Stepbro/Stepsis Freely Use Each Other in Front of Mom

[RedHatter76]

Quick summary first, then details. A pair of opposite-gender stepsiblings who are either high-school seniors or live-at-home college students, at the suggestion of their (step)mother, get into the habit of venting their sexual urges on each other. It was inspired by this video.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5bb6aae39f14c

The above clip is a recent favorite of mine, though it only really hits the mark in a certain part (in this case, from 1:44 to 3:58) . The rest, for me at least, is rather different from how I would've done it had I been the director.

I might try my hand at something like this myself at some point, but I'd also be interested in others' take on it. Of course, that's true generally, but this is one scenario for which it's especially true. Heck, I've already written what essentially amounts to a girl-on-girl version of this (https://www.literotica.com/s/stepsisters-with-benefits) as well as a straight anal-only version with non-stepsibling couples (https://www.literotica.com/s/who-needs-privacy-among-family-ch-02).

To any interested writers, here are the most important revisions to the video's premise that I'd like to see.

(1) I'd prefer more of a mutual arrangement, with both stepsiblings being exceptionally horny. The girl should instigate the sex roughly as often as the guy, sometimes doing little more than pulling down her pants pointedly in front of him to make her desires known.

(2) Doggy-style should be the most frequent if not sole position used, with oral stimulation kept to a minimum if it plays a role at all. In most encounters, they should disrobe no more than necessary for easy access.

(3) In order to minimize the oral stimulation, it shouldn't take much to give the guy a boner if he doesn't already have one. Hell, the mere sight of the girl wanting him and being direct about it might be enough to at least get him well on his way. If he needs a bit more, maybe throw in some tit play, ass play, and/or kissing.

(4) The girl at least should be a bit more vocal about her pleasure, often announcing an impending orgasm and moaning or crying out loudly when it hits, maybe even with a few involuntary hip spasms immediately following it.

Bonus points for:

(a) One or both stepsiblings being at least somewhat nerdy.
(b) The girl having firm D-cup breasts and/or being very hairy around the pussy but naturally rather smooth otherwise.
(c) Some brief mention of the pill or any other means of birth control that's basically always in effect without any on-site setup (as opposed to a condom, for instance). The family may have even decided to start using it specifically to facilitate the stebsiblings' arrangement.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

My story "Leisure City" over in (sibling) Incest / Taboo has a few similarities to this idea. Part two (at present unwritten) would be even closer.

Brother and sister college students live at home with their single mother trying to make ends meet. The two fall in love and she confesses their love to mom whom in the end accepts the relationship.

It's not the same, but it's already written.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[LupusDei]

Okay, this hits something.

Step mommy is obviously girl's mother, or at least it's for me. She's the sneaky instigator of the scene, encouraging and coaching her daughter and dropping hints for the stepson. Why? There's an inexhaustive multiple choice list:

- she doesn't like stepson's friends and/or ineptitude with girls and thinks her daughter is best for him;

- she doesn't like daughter's current friends and/or honestly thinks the bro is best party she can get;

- she grew up suffering drastically repressed religious upbringing and overcompensate on her daughter wishing her to be as sexually liberated as possible, but since it is still not acceptable in public keep that behavior within home (yes, this is confused, by design);

- she grew up feeling poor (what doesn't mean any definition of poverty, just that her friends were richer and/or more spoiled) and married not in small part for money; getting daughter together with the stepson she see as insurance and/or another hook in daddy's money

--- if hubby is no more around, perhaps there's some interesting last wish / inheritance rules leaving her with (relatively) nothing the moment stepson marries or reach age of 21 or whatever;

--- if hubby is around, she might be afraid their relationship might be in danger if is not broken already, also, see next point;

- perhaps she knows or suspect hubby married her just to eventually get the daughter; coaching her to play with son is her way to either prevent that or prepare her so it won't be so traumatic;

- being extremely submissive herself she sees it as her duty to teach daughter how to please men, and stepson is the most acceptable and safe teaching aid;

- she just love to see youngsters fuck and get off on that herself;

- she knows hubby get off on knowing that the youngers fuck, and while nominally hiding it from him in direct sight, she reports it all, perhaps even with images;

- she wants to build up control over her stepson, for reasons, daughter is a living weapon;

- she plans to use step sibling incest as blackmail material, for whatever purposes;

- etc. Yes, I go off on some weird mental shit.

Speaking about shameless plug of my own kinks...

I do not like blowjobs either (well, would be strange to tell that as a receiver, but I think the obsession with that in porn is way overboard and mostly plain up boring).

Then, I'm of course a voyeur and want to see as much gratuitous nudity as possible, but in this context clothed sex would beautifully underline the extremely spontaneous character of it, nudity could come after, while basking in the afterglow and thus remain explicitly non-sexualized, even often nearly ignored, still mostly tenderly admired, but rarely if ever instigating next act of sex directly.

So, for example, it is mother who yanks back of daughter's shorts dow in front of stepson, perhaps pointing out these are dirty, but it is daughter who take the hint and actively uses it for presenting to the boy, who doesn't hesitate. But afterwards she go out to clean up, and return bottomless for the dinner. Only when mom explicitly reminds her improper attire, not acceptable to welcome step dad home, she go finds a miniskirt (still no panties). Daddy sends them both upstairs for homework, but on the stairs girl goes first and flash upskirt shot to stepbrother, what results in her being taken again right there on the top of the stairs, just out of sight of nominally unsuspecting daddy. Mom spots them there and scolds, they stumble to the bathroom to finish, and enjoy shared shower afterwards. Girl runs to her room naked, and remains so doing most of her homework alone, perhaps is spot being still uncovered by the bro through the not fully closed door, but puts on pajama pants and short little robe to spend rest of the evening in living room, flashing an occasional sideboob...

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

Lupus Dei: Growing up in West Texas Cattle Country, I saw all of that IRL, especially the parts referencing maintaining wealth and an individual's share or control of said wealth.

As a little girl I sat with my friend and future lover Eva in her father's library and read pornography. He was a Pastor, as she is now. He had several slightly different versions of my favorite 'dirty book,' "The Old Testament," tons of violence and sex in there. ;-) Lots of that aforementioned preservation and control of wealth through sex in that tome.

I hope you don't mind my tinkering (fleshing out of your story) here...

(For anyone else reading this Lupus Dei wrote the parts of the story that you like, If you don't like it I fleshed it out, so I am to blame.)

"I'm of course a voyeur and want to see as much gratuitous nudity as possible, I love it when my new wife flashes me her bare ass and puss, especially in a room where my son and her daughter are present. They are both sophomores at Rice University, which in fact is how we met.

Clothed sex, I adore clothed sex with my new wife. It beautifully underlines the extremely spontaneous character of our coupling. Nudity, nudity is nice it has its place, nudity could come after. It usually does once we are together and alone basking in the afterglow.

So far as the 'kids' and the rest of the 'vanillas' know we are doing nothing. Our kink to them thus remains explicitly invisible. Our physical relationship non-sexualized, and oft' ignored. Our devotion to one another mostly tenderly admired. Others around us never suspecting that we 'kinksters' are planning our next 'act' in front of them.

That's only fitting it will be acted out in front of them as well. Not that they notice.

So, for example, yesterday my wife yanked down on the back of her daughter's shorts. I wasn't there yet, my wife reported this to me. I asked for pictures to be taken the next time, that would be cool. She yanked down her daughter's pants in front of my son, pointing out the fact that they were dirty.

Her daughter, bless her heart, she took the hint and actively used it for the purpose of presenting to my boy, her delectables. My boy, what can I say, he is my son. He did not hesitate, and went to feeling his step-sister up. My wife took the shorts to the laundry room and stood in its doorway watching my son french kiss her daughter while lovingly finger-fucking her, as her daughter steadied herself by holding on to the counter.

As my boy was licking his step-sisters yummy lubricant from his fingers my wife returned and told her daughter to go upstairs to clean up. She did, returning bottomless for dinner. Nice, but too overt. Her mom reminded her of my immenent arrival and her improper attire. She was totally beautiful but not acceptable to welcome her step-dad home. (Or maybe I thought, that her mom thought that she was just a little too much competition for good 'ole mom.)

She went back upstairs and found a little miniskirt to wear. Being her mother's daughter she did not cover her assets with panties. I did not know that her bare twenty-year old puss was barely thirty inches from me as I dined on her mother's delicious roast lamb in garlic, shallots and chardonnay. But knowing my new wife's naughty mind as I do, I probably should have.

After dinner I helped clear the dishes while my wife gave me a slow gentle hand job through my trousers and I fingered her sloppy uncovered wet snatch. The two of us screened from our children doing thier homework at the table by the island situated in between.

In time I sent them both upstairs, ostensibly to use thier computer for thier homework. But really to let my wife remove my penis from its cotton prison and finish me off. Meanwhile on the carpeted stairs my stepdaughter went went first so that she could flash and provide a beautiful upskirt puss shot to her step-brother.

We silently watched our kiddos from the landing. Her blatant tease resulting in my step-daughter being happilly taken again. This time orally right there at the top of the stairs. They thought that they were just out of sight of thier nominally unsuspecting parent and step-parent. How funny. My wife has them both fooled. She doesnt let on that we know that they are full blown...

An unintentional but very accurate choice of a word. Our kids are full blown lovers. Well in truth my step-daughter could not possibly do any better in life than my son, I am overjoyed.

My wife, her mom spots them there stop the stairs and scolds them for putting thier feet on the wall, all while pretending not to notice that her step-son looks like a glazed donut.

The children, they stumble to the hall bathroom to finish what they started. Fucking each other on the bathroom vanity and then enjoying a nice hot shared shower afterwards. We were listning at the door to thier lovemaking while I was finger fucking my new wife who was wearing a tasteful navy dress, sans panties of course. Like i say clothed sex is really fuckin' hot.

Eventually the sound of running water ceased and we retired to the doorway of the guest bedroom. I watched from the darkness through the half-open bedroom door with my wife as her little girl ran to her bedroom naked. We waited for a while, but she is a responsible child and serious about college. She completed her homework in her room alone, before putting on a pair of silky pink pajama pants and short little robe to spend rest of the evening in the living room. Watching a movie on Netflix with the family. Sitting on the leather loveseat at the back of the room with her step-brother and flashing him a beautiful sideboob.

We call that sorta thing Wednesday at our house.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[RedHatter76]

I do not like blowjobs either (well, would be strange to tell that as a receiver, but I think the obsession with that in porn is way overboard and mostly plain up boring).

So it's not just me! While blow job porn is growing on me a bit, I don't think I'll ever understand why some directors and/or producers feature it as heavily as they do. I see it in lesbian content too. Even in videos that focus on tribbing, fingering, or dry humping, there's very often a significant dose of pussy eating thrown in too. It can be sexy if you're in just the right mood, but personally, I'm just not into it that often.

In most cases, I find it sexier if the lovers skip straight to pelvic stimulation or penetration of some sort. I can see how the mouth might be good at hardening a guy up sufficiently for the main event or even as a quick-and-easy alternative orifice if you have a load to blow but don't want to risk an unwanted pregnancy with unprotected vaginal release. But personally, it usually just can't hold up as the main attraction.

Speaking of blowjobs, I do have a quick question for the ladies as I gear up to hopefully write my own take on this idea soon. Does it ever do anything for the woman in terms of arousal, or is it all one-sided on the man's part? Anyway, I got at least a few interesting ideas from this thread, so thanks for the input, and if you have more, don't hesitate to share!

 

[Hypoxia]

Reality check. Step-siblings and -parents are problematic -- maybe incest legally but not biologically. We can treat them in various ways on LIT. How long were they steps? Did they grow up together as family, or did single Dad only recently wed single Mom, and their sex-age kids are free to fuck? That's what I did in Apples and Oranges (based on reality).

Something similar, which I *might* eventually write, is of a fella whose several marriages left clusters of kids around a decade apart. Some half-siblings (and their own kids) are decades older than others in the family. How does a guy consider a sexy great-aunt who's a year younger than him? (This is real.)

You can have fun writing of full kin, half kin, step kin, assumed kin, etc. Be careful about the entanglements. They can get messy.

 

[RedHatter76]

Hypoxia, I have what is perhaps an unusually narrow definition of incest (narrower even than the legal definition in some states, or so I've heard). My motto in this regard is, "No blood, no foul." If the relevant familial relationship isn't biological, then in my opinion, to even call a turn for the romantic/sexual "incest" is a misnomer. I like to call it "pseudo-incest" at worst. My erotic interest in pseudo-incest does not extend to real incest. In fact, the latter rather puts me off, so you'll most likely never read any stories of bio-incest (what I call just "incest") from me.

Indeed, the ick factor varies inversely with the age of the lovers at the time of family merger, and as that age decreases, so too does the likelihood that there will ever be any romantic/sexual inclinations in the first place. As I understand it, due to something called the Westermarck effect, if stepsiblings become kin before roughly the age of 6 years, they'll instinctively rule each other out as potential mates, perhaps even recoiling at the idea much as bio-siblings would.

For the pseudo-incest story I've already written and probably for any future ones I write, I operate as if the lovers became family at about 8 -12 years old at the youngest, if for no other reason than to make it a bit easier to swallow for those who define "incest" more broadly. At the very least, I say nothing in the text to imply that they were any younger at the time of family formation.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

Reality check. Step-siblings and -parents are problematic -- maybe incest legally but not biologically. We can treat them in various ways on LIT. How long were they steps? Did they grow up together as family, or did single Dad only recently wed single Mom, and their sex-age kids are free to fuck? That's what I did in Apples and Oranges (based on reality).

Something similar, which I *might* eventually write, is of a fella whose several marriages left clusters of kids around a decade apart. Some half-siblings (and their own kids) are decades older than others in the family. How does a guy consider a sexy great-aunt who's a year younger than him? (This is real.)

You can have fun writing of full kin, half kin, step kin, assumed kin, etc. Be careful about the entanglements. They can get messy.

I know of many IRL cases of 18+ Billy Joe met Bobby Sue in college, on the job, etc.. Their parents were or later became single.

BJ and BS dated, fucked, maybe even got hitched FIRST.

LATER one mom and one dad from each got together...

As Arte Johnson said "Veeery Inteeeeresting"

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

...they'll instinctively rule each other out as potential mates, perhaps even recoiling at the idea much as bio-siblings would...

JMO, if there were ANYTHING instinctual about ruling out ones siblings as potential mates there would not be any societal Taboos restricting it...

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[Hypoxia]

JMO, if there were ANYTHING instinctual about ruling out ones siblings as potential mates there would not be any societal Taboos restricting it...

Quite. Taboos are devised to counter temptation. Incest, rape, murder, theft, bookoo transgressions, are taboo because they're so inviting. Here it's not that blood or step kin are "potential mates" -- they're mere fuck-targets, toys for easy pleasure, so available, and often so weak.

We'd best avoid reality. LIT fantasyland works as a dreamcloud. My closest approaches to incest reality involve 1) long separations, or 2) they didn't know they were kin, or 3) something vivid triggered the taboo violation. Less real is 4) it just happened, but that's the easy way out. More fantasy, as demanded by pervo readers, the same ones who want mom ass-raped.

I've explored incest tales about as far as I care to. Where next? Maybe kinky, like vore incest: mass unbirthing, with the kids sliding back up mom or dad's urethra; fraternal merging, with sis absorbing her siblings; an all-devouring grandma; or baby grows by ingesting family.

I don't want to know who would find that erotic.

 

[LupusDei]

Hypoxia, I have what is perhaps an unusually narrow definition of incest (narrower even than the legal definition in some states, or so I've heard). My motto in this regard is, "No blood, no foul." If the relevant familial relationship isn't biological, then in my opinion, to even call a turn for the romantic/sexual "incest" is a misnomer. I like to call it "pseudo-incest" at worst. My erotic interest in pseudo-incest does not extend to real incest. In fact, the latter rather puts me off, so you'll most likely never read any stories of bio-incest (what I call just "incest") from me.

I can't partake in legal speak, but there are indeed two practical definitions of incest: biological and social. The social incest talk about persons of the same household unit in dependent or co-dependent relationships. Relationship between ward and adopted child is incestuous. Relationship between two adopted children as well.

Simultaneous, parallel unconnected or children-first double marriages between families are OK.

What I think is the problem Hypoxia is pointing at is two-fold:

1) Legality of the actions within story world. IMHO, this can be ignored, mostly, or worked around to an extent desirable, up to and including inventing jurisdictions and fictional rulings if necessary. Still there might be readers whoa will take pride in reading you all crimes committed within a story, using legislation of the place and era they received legal training.

2) LitErotica Categorization. Your story does target Incest readership because social incest (you define as pseudo incest) is a major theme and source of arousal in your setting. However, in that readership there might be around an incest definition very similar to your own, ruling your story as not incestuous enough for that category. How well are step-kin received in that category, I don't know as I'm not a regular reader there, nor have any published works of my own. That may not be a real concern, or a concern worth worrying about, I don't know.

JMO, if there were ANYTHING instinctual about ruling out ones siblings as potential mates there would not be any societal Taboos restricting it...

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

I believe there are somewhat symbiotic and overlapping relationship between those two aspects, purely instinctual and purely socially constructed taboo, each strengthening the other if not even building directly upon.

I might be interested in (bio- or any other) brother-sister incest as a theme, but believe lit age rules petty much rule out most realistically developing story lines of my interest, although some of that may be salvageable with clever scene construction and little added suspension of disbelief.

 

[LupusDei]

Something similar, which I *might* eventually write, is of a fella whose several marriages left clusters of kids around a decade apart. Some half-siblings (and their own kids) are decades older than others in the family. How does a guy consider a sexy great-aunt who's a year younger than him? (This is real.)

Youp, I had a double-removed second cousin (grand-grand-grand-daughter of my dad's dad's mother) who was only few years younger despite two generations in between. While there was little to none blood relation (her family was a mess, and easily might hold a bastard in her lineage) our families were deemed close relatives at least as long the matriarch, my grandpa's older sister, was alive. And not in small part due to the two generation gap she was cast in my perception as little girl disregarding true age, and so I considered her a little too sisterly than I probably could at one point.

 

[RedHatter76]

JMO, if there were ANYTHING instinctual about ruling out ones siblings as potential mates there would not be any societal Taboos restricting it...

Perhaps, but one must wonder why those taboos are among the most universal, even if they're not 100%. Instinctive or not, the Westermarck effect of course isn't absolutely foolproof, and the hypothesis is not without its critics.

 

[Hypoxia]

Perhaps, but one must wonder why those taboos are among the most universal, even if they're not 100%.

Such taboos are mostly against parent-offspring sex. Some cultures required sibling marriage of royals. Many cultures accept cousin sex, and some expect cousin or avuncular (uncle or aunt) marriages. That's marriage, not just sex. Darwin, Poe, Einstein, Giuliani -- cousin marriages.

WHY are some practices taboo? Murder and mayhem are obvious. The power imbalance in most incest is noxious. Fuck Grandpa or be killed -- what a choice!

i'll note that inbred monarchies managed to last a long time. Coincidence?

 

[RedHatter76]

Such taboos are mostly against parent-offspring sex. Some cultures required sibling marriage of royals....i'll note that inbred monarchies managed to last a long time. Coincidence?

True. I seem to recall that the Ptolemaic dynasty was one frequent offender, with Cleopatra marrying her younger brother Ptolemy.

 

[Hypoxia]

True. I seem to recall that the Ptolemaic dynasty was one frequent offender, with Cleopatra marrying her younger brother Ptolemy.

Royal intermarriages were only a step away. Ptolemies, Hapsburgs, Kamehamehas, Yorubas, Manchus -- they're everywhere. Inbreeding nobles and royals is rational; it keeps power and inheritances in the family.

Story setup: We're in some exotic realm. The royal Bro and Sis must publicly mate under watchful eyes of Mom and Dad the Monarchs, and the High Priests, and other witnesses. Do the onlookers masturbate at the slurpy sight? Does a volcanic eruption hint that the gods (dis)approve? Does anyone sneeze?

PS/edit: 10 Royal Families Riddled With Incest

10. The Monomotapa Of Zimbabwe
9. Cleopatra
8. Nahienaena Of Hawaii
7. Incan Incest
6. Maria Of Portugal
5. Elisabeth Of Austria
4. King Rama V (Siam)
3. Princess Victoria Melita
2. Queen Victoria
1. Ancient Rome​

Yes, they're everywhere. Don't even consider the Russian epithet, "Yób tvoyú mat", literally "(I) fucked your mother." It serves an emphatic exclamation. "What, you can't pay me yet? Fuck your mother!" "Oh no, the team lost again, fuck your mother!" "What a babe, fuck your mother!" "The bus never even slowed down for me, fuck your mother." So tempting, hey?

I don't know how stepmothers fit in here.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

Royal intermarriages were only a step away. Ptolemies, Hapsburgs, Kamehamehas, Yorubas, Manchus -- they're everywhere. Inbreeding nobles and royals is rational; it keeps power and inheritances in the family.

Story setup: We're in some exotic realm. The royal Bro and Sis must publicly mate under watchful eyes of Mom and Dad the Monarchs, and the High Priests, and other witnesses. Do the onlookers masturbate at the slurpy sight? Does a volcanic eruption hint that the gods (dis)approve? Does anyone sneeze?

A kinky sequel to Walt Disney's 1971 Bedknobs and Broomsticks...
Get your mind out of the gutter.;-)
This is a good wholesome tale. Charlie, Carrie and Paul are all grown up. They return to the kingdom of Naboombu (I couldn't make up that name if I wanted to.;-)) King Leonidas and his Queen are officiating at the royal betrothal of thier children. Sentient Speaking Lion Royals are Lit approved? Right? King Leonidas requires them to be witnesses. Afterward aroused by the 'pagentry' Charlie and Paul celebrate by spit-roasting a delighted Carrie.

Dilly Dilly, Dilly Dilly

Lisa Ann

 

[LupusDei]

Yes, they're everywhere. Don't even consider the Russian epithet, "Yób tvoyú mat", literally "(I) fucked your mother." It serves an emphatic exclamation. "What, you can't pay me yet? Fuck your mother!" "Oh no, the team lost again, fuck your mother!" "What a babe, fuck your mother!" "The bus never even slowed down for me, fuck your mother." So tempting, hey?

I don't know how stepmothers fit in here.

You seem to be loving that phrase, but somehow I dare to doubt you fully understand it. As you have noticed, in Russian verb form imply the pronoun. The excluded "I" is very important here. It can be, and sometimes is rendered with different tense and/or different implied subject, and it is wrong, but somewhat possible to swallow grammatical endings, but most often the verb is dropped altogether, the literal exclamation becoming just plain "your mother!" and the full interpretation depends of context and intonation.

The main, default powerplay it imply when used as weaponized insult in a fight is this: "[I fucked] your mother!" -> therefore, you're my son -> therefore, you're obliged to do my bidding.

Then, "[I do fuck] your mother!" -> I own your mother, therefore I own you.

It can be meant as maximum mental pain that can be inflicted: "[I just raped] your mother!" deal with it. That can be a taunt, can be a blow.

Next is, "[I will fuck] your mother!" or "[I would fuck] your mother!" -> you're a weakling unable to protect her, I can do what I please, you can't stop me. Again can be a taunt or a dismissal.

Then, in much more calm voice, "[btw, I fucked] your mother." -> I was around before you were born, I know it all, shut up. Or, what a nonsense, back in the day when I fucked your mother...

It can even be affectionate: "[I would like to fuck] your mother!" -> I like you (where "you" may be anything) so much, therefore your mom should be a fun fuck. Or you're so funny I probably could fuck even your mother.

etc.

I may not understand the English "Motherfucker!" to anywhere similar depth (because I don't hear it used by native speakers in everyday situations as I am forced with Russian), but I actually do not think it is right to translate "Yób tvoyú mat" as "Motherfucker!" Beyond both mentioning the insulted person's mother, they have very little in common, at least in my understanding.

As versatile "Yób tvoyú mat" is, "[You fuck] your mother!" can be anywhere possible interpretation only if the verb is excluded completely, and even then it becomes ungrammatical, because 'your' and 'your own' are two different pronouns in Russian "You go fuck your mother!" true to language it would be: ёбай свою мать! "yebai svóyu mat!" You can try to use that, but I would advice to obtain good life insurance before such attempt.

So closest real use case rendering I can offer is "[They fucked] your mother!" for a general "Motherfuckers!"

~

Scheiße! Fuck you sūds izpistais, тваю мать! (Shit! Fuck you, shit well-/over-fucked [I fucked] your mom!)

Where I live, up to 40% speak Russian as the first language. Funny, for us Latvians, it is considered the most rude to curse in Russian, followed with English that is considered slightly less offensive, but cursing in native Latvian can be almost just cute and adorable if not outright comical, at least when done on purpose using archaic lexicon (with can be excessively rude in fact). German is practically dropped out of circulation now, except Scheiße! of course, but can still be used if something more exotic is wanted.

 

[Hypoxia]

I will admit not knowing Russian -- I borrow what I can via minimal research, as for my essay What Is Incest? I mostly don't know the Hopi and Aztec words I borrow, either. I *can* talk of USA usage of 'motherfucker', often merely a strong expression, as shouted after hammering one's thumb. MF! is merely the crudest word many know. If addressing or referring to a person (usually male) as MF!, the speaker implies the subject's inferiority.

Back to the fantasy of (step)mom urging (step)kids to fuck while she watches. Remove the 'steps' and we have incest; retain the 'steps' and it's voyeurism.

For fun, mother Mae (of daughter Della) marries dad Dave (of son Stefan). Are they newlyweds now or did the kids grow up together? Mae and Dave each provoke step-siblings Mae and Stefan into show-off sex, but also Mae fucks stepson Stefan and Della fucks stepdad Dave, probably while everyone watches. Gay incest can thus be avoided -- or included. How kinky ARE they?

For more fun, Mae's brother Mike and Stefan's sister Sandi are involved.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

As a society we separated reproduction from sex long ago. Provided that we are all adults. Oops we are on Lit, all sex involves those aged 18 or over ;-) So given that we are all responsible adults and having fun with the really fun parts of our bodies that God designed. Why don't we try logic, a most under used concept.

If the unit of measure is the individual, and all individuals are to have autonomy then say that. Rape is offensive to our sensibilities as a society. Use of coercive power to acquire sex is rape. But that is true if the offender is a parent, teacher, boss, POTUS. It is demeaning and infantilizing the so called victim to say that a woman, negro, hispanic, or white girl is less than another and requiring Ward status.

It is wrong for us as a society to say that it is wrong for her as an individual to choose the lover of her choice. Likewise as a pluralistic and egalitarian society it is wrong to say the same of boys. To say that black boys are somehow fundamentally different and shouldn't be able to fuck willing white girls or chinese boys should not marry indian girls.

Let there be no Jew and no Greek, no slave and no free, no male and no female for we are all one in Christ, Jesus. -Galatians 3.28

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

 

[LupusDei]

I *can* talk of USA usage of 'motherfucker', often merely a strong expression, as shouted after hammering one's thumb. MF! is merely the crudest word many know. If addressing or referring to a person (usually male) as MF!, the speaker implies the subject's inferiority.

OK, you convinced me, it can be interpreted that way if one wants. Actually, I just did (in what i'm pretending to write). But it's one of those cases when it is the conceptual use case, as opposed to the etymological meaning that creates the interpretation.

Back to the fantasy of (step)mom urging (step)kids to fuck while she watches. Remove the 'steps' and we have incest; retain the 'steps' and it's voyeurism.

For fun, mother Mae (of daughter Della) marries dad Dave (of son Stefan). Are they newlyweds now or did the kids grow up together? Mae and Dave each provoke step-siblings Mae and Stefan into show-off sex, but also Mae fucks stepson Stefan and Della fucks stepdad Dave, probably while everyone watches. Gay incest can thus be avoided -- or included. How kinky ARE they?

For more fun, Mae's brother Mike and Stefan's sister Sandi are involved.

I think the OP here wanted social incest as incest-lite, incestuous kink explored without the ick-factor.

So what if Mae become Dave's mistress over a decade ago, but is only for less than five years Dave moved in at Mae's full time. They're not married, Dave has not divorced Marie yet, actually he visits her (and both younger daughters not to be included here yet) every second weekend or so, and screw her then too (perhaps bulling her actual boyfriend Bob using his status of legal husband for a kink). Stefan is a dad's boy, and knows for what he's hanging out here, not at nominally home, Where he can't stand neither Bob nor the little sister-princesses, and his relationship with mom deteriorated long ago. Della may or may not be blamed for that, as is Mae, of course, who actively adopted the boy, not without salacious interest of her own.

So is this a family unit or two co-habiting live-in couples? Like that train gif, you can reverse direction just by thinking about it.

 

[RedHatter76]

Back to the fantasy of (step)mom urging (step)kids to fuck while she watches. Remove the 'steps' and we have incest; retain the 'steps' and it's voyeurism.

Mae and Dave each provoke step-siblings Mae and Stefan into show-off sex,...

Well, there's another difference between my version of the fantasy and the linked video that I perhaps should've mentioned. It's not that the (step)mom deliberately and attentively watches the youngsters have sex. It's just that neither of the young lovers cares if the (step)mom happens to be in the room or not, and on her part, the elder female reacts only casually if at all when they have sex under her nose.

If and when I write my version, this will most likely be a mutual thing, with the blended family having previously agreed (after the youngsters had both turned 18, of course) that the (step)parents have the same liberty. That freedom is then automatically extended to the stepsiblings once they start enjoying each other.

But in any case, at least the way envision it, no one's actively putting on a show or engaging in premeditated observation. This is not to say that there can't be some incidental arousal on the part of the (step)parents while their kids go at it, but I don't see that as being the main purpose for which they give their blessing and even encouragement. Maybe the (step)mom senses the sexual tension that's already been simmering under the surface and affectionately doesn't want the kids to be any more sexually frustrated than they have to be, while the (step)dad either feels the same way from the beginning or doesn't really care once he finds out what's going on.

...but also Mae fucks stepson Stefan and Della fucks stepdad Dave, probably while everyone watches.

I've certainly toyed with this idea as well, though for some reason, I can't help but feel that there should still be some boundaries, even if they're much looser than what a conventional family would ever accept. Maybe they agree that inter-generational stuff shouldn't involve any direct pelvis-to-pelvis stuff, but instead restrict itself to hand jobs, blow jobs, and/or fingering.

It would be quite similar to this video, which is another one that manages to push many of my buttons, even if again, there are also parts and/or aspects that really miss the mark for me. For one thing, I haven't noticed anything in the footage itself to indicate that this is a step-family rather than a fully biological one, so I'm suspicious that the "step" was inserted into the PornHub title by a poster who has the same qualms about bio-incest that I do. Still, to the extent that I can pretend along with the person who retitled it, it's a fun romp!

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5942532f5c96d

There are a few more very similar videos that can be found by searching for "free use," including one that's filmed from the presumed stepdad's perspective. I wish "free use" was a more popular genre, or at least that it was a more widely recognized term so this stuff would be easier to find.

For more fun, Mae's brother Mike and Stefan's sister Sandi are involved.

And this hits on another idea I've been toying with that sort of spun off from this one. Imagine a similar kind of "free use" lifestyle among in-laws in a family that views the sharing of sexual access to spouses as one of the highest forms of familial solidarity. I could go into a bit more detail, but it might be better to start a separate thread.

 

[Hypoxia]

I've used and abused step-kin in some Incest stories but I think any 'ick' factor re: hard incest is more in the minds of authors than of readers. Each LIT tale's category is displayed. Readers KNOW they're into an Incest fantasy. Most EXPECT kin-fucking blood incest. LIT authors had better deliver it... unless it's too icky for them, in which case they probably should write something else.

IMHO the plethora of incest-lite online commercial-site videos is a censorship-avoiding strategy. Oh no, Pastor, it's not *really* evil!

Again, I don't go out of my way to read Incest, and I write it as a puzzle piece, trying to make taboo-breaking presentable. Three main dynamics work here: are they blood or step kin; how long have they been family; and what triggers the violation(s)? That's enough for deep explorations of relationships. With sex. To entertain readers, hopefully. Or for self-gratification if the author is pervo.

 

[RedHatter76]

I've used and abused step-kin in some Incest stories but I think any 'ick' factor re: hard incest is more in the minds of authors than of readers. Each LIT tale's category is displayed. Readers KNOW they're into an Incest fantasy. Most EXPECT kin-fucking blood incest. LIT authors had better deliver it... unless it's too icky for them, in which case they probably should write something else.

Oh, believe me, I know there's definitely an audience for bio-incest. In fact, I've been an erotica consumer for at least a few years now, and it still surprises me just how popular it is, given that it flouts one of the most deeply ingrained taboos in existence. I'm just not into it myself, neither as a writer nor as a reader, mostly because I consider it too ethically problematic. I'm not restricting myself to pseudo-incest just because I think it's too controversial for readers, if that's what you're suggesting.

 

[Hypoxia]

...it still surprises me just how popular it is, given that it flouts one of the most deeply ingrained taboos in existence.

Readers and viewers devour murder tales too, despite biblical rules. Does "thou shalt not kill" trump "thou shalt not fuck dad, mom, kids, siblings, and goats" ?? Oh wait, that last ain't there. Father- and mother-fuckers abound. I'm unsure about goats.

I'm just not into it myself, neither as a writer nor as a reader, mostly because I consider it too ethically problematic. I'm not restricting myself to pseudo-incest just because I think it's too controversial for readers, if that's what you're suggesting.

No, it's clear that it's too icky for you as an author. That's fine. Most murder and many fetishes are too icky for me as an author. Much real incest is abuse, too icky for me, with strong males abusing weak female kin or wards. Rape in my moral universe must be punished.

But in LIT's fantasyland, consensual incest is sweet, right. Oh look, Mom and Sis are screwing Sonny because he's so... whatever. La la la. ♫ It's different if they're all psycho thugs, Sonny is a mob hitman, and fucking family or step-kin is his reward for each successful murder. THERE's a sick stepmom story. Add some step-sisters and -aunts. Now make it romantic. That's a challenge!