Status of upcoming COVID-19 vaccines and treatments

[LupusDei]

An overview by Reuters

More than 70 vaccine candidates are also in development around the world, with at least five in preliminary testing in people. Here are some of the drugs, vaccines and other therapies in development:

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/yxmvjqywprz/index.html

 

[Conager]

Looks promising.

I will gladly accept the "I told you so" from the alarmists if a vaccine emerges soon enough to matter.

Long term this is all great progress because when something se comes along, vaccine development will be quicker maybe with techniques being pioneered now. Vaccines are always in development but the general field has not had this level of attention and frenetic effort for quite some time.

 

[stickygirl]

Thanks, that's a useful link.

Here's one reporting more specifically on the vaccines

 

[colddiesel]

Hey Lupus .This is an intelligent and informative post. Someone might report it!

Seriously, it's interesting stuff. I would love it if the Chinese cracked the problem - that might change the diplomatic rhetoric a bit.

 

[stickygirl]

Hey Lupus .This is an intelligent and informative post. Someone might report it!

Seriously, it's interesting stuff. I would love it if the Chinese cracked the problem - that might change the diplomatic rhetoric a bit.

Maybe the Chinese could start working on the 'it was transmitted from eating panda brains, via dolphins to a whore house in Shanghai COV-38' while their at it?

 

[sygn]

Hey Lupus .This is an intelligent and informative post. Someone might report it!
Seriously, it's interesting stuff.

I would love it if the Chinese cracked the problem - that might change the diplomatic rhetoric a bit.

What's wrong with you?

They hid the infection from the world.
Meanwhile, they stopped domestic travel and allowed Wuhan-ers to board flights to the West during the Chinese New Year Festival
and they plundered the West of masks

and you still root for them.

 

[stickygirl]

An overview by Reuters



https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/yxmvjqywprz/index.html

The report had some updates on the 15th, though it's not obvious which have been updated... anyone?

Reading the Oxford trial, I see they're having to wait 6mths after the initial vaccination to observe 'serious adverse effects'. A frustrating timescale but with so many past fuck-ups, it's necessary. May... October at the earliest

 

[Rightguide]

You won't see this on the CNN "all in for China" News:


Pompeo Proven Right: China Admits That It Intentionally Destroyed Coronavirus Lab Samples
By Ryan SaavedraDailyWire.com

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) admitted late last week that it destroyed coronavirus lab samples during the initial months of the outbreak, which originated in Wuhan, China.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has repeatedly said that China refused to give scientists from other countries samples of the coronavirus that were taken from the initial people that contracted the disease.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pomp...tentionally-destroyed-coronavirus-lab-samples

 

[JohnnySavage]

I wonder how many people are going to want to be injected with a newly invented substance that was rushed through testing...

I'll wait a few years and see if the initial testee group grows a third eye.

 

[Rotadom]

You won't see this on the CNN "all in for China" News:


Pompeo Proven Right: China Admits That It Intentionally Destroyed Coronavirus Lab Samples
By Ryan SaavedraDailyWire.com

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) admitted late last week that it destroyed coronavirus lab samples during the initial months of the outbreak, which originated in Wuhan, China.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has repeatedly said that China refused to give scientists from other countries samples of the coronavirus that were taken from the initial people that contracted the disease.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pomp...tentionally-destroyed-coronavirus-lab-samples

There are no facts in this link. It's just speculation from a compromised person on a website run by the mental and physical midget, Shapiro.

 

[stickygirl]

I wonder how many people are going to want to be injected with a newly invented substance that was rushed through testing...

I'll wait a few years and see if the initial testee group grows a third eye.

Six months on top of initial lab work isn't rushing, but there will be a Trump vaccine much much earlier any day now it's coming wonderful vaccine.

btw did you mean testes group and third eye?

 

[cinnefille]

Yet another reputable scientist who says that it's quite possible that the virus was accidentally released from the lab., having been specifically enhanced to infect humans:

Leaving aside the criminal culpability of China,
if true, wouldn't that make it harder to produce an effective vaccine?



24/05/2020: Coronavirus may have been a 'cell-culture experiment' gone wrong

A scientific study, currently undergoing peer review, by Flinders & La Trobe University,
showed the virus bound more tightly to human-ACE2 than to any of the other animals they tested.
- "which is quite unusual, because typically when a virus is well-adapted to an animal and then it by chance crosses to a human, typically, you would expect it to have lower-binding to human cells than to the original host animal."
“It was like it was designed to infect humans.”

“One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19 is the progeny of that interaction between the two viruses.
The same process can happen in a petri-dish.
In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.”

Scientists worldwide have, to date, overwhelmingly said the virus was more likely originated in a wet-market and was not created in a laboratory. Asked why scientists have had this view, Professor Petrovsky said scientists “try not to be political” and do not want their research impacted adversely by tighter laboratory controls.“

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6158843835001

 

[SpeareChucker]

The word implied, but not stated is "funding."




Most of them rely on some sort of government funding...





... that's what they don't want "impacted."

 

[cinnefille]

The word implied, but not stated is "funding."

Most of them rely on some sort of government funding...


... that's what they don't want "impacted."

Are you referring to what he said here?

"Scientists worldwide have, to date, overwhelmingly said the virus was more likely originated in a wet-market and was not created in a laboratory. Asked why scientists have had this view, Professor Petrovsky said scientists “try not to be political” and do not want their research impacted adversely by tighter laboratory controls.“

 

[SpeareChucker]

Exactly



They play political games with research
and some avenues are more "profitable" than others...

 

[cinnefille]

Exactly


They play political games with research
and some avenues are more "profitable" than others...

I don't quite understand how the " stricter control" that Petrovsky alludes to, or financing work.
--- But what is obvious from reading massmedia, is that there's been a lot of political pressure (from WHO, Bill Gates, certain countries, the Left) to say that the virus did NOT arise from a lab.


Importantly, Prof. Petravsky also said that finding the origin of the virus is not just political - it's absolutely crucial health-wise.
Because - if the virus jumped from an animal to man on it's own, it means that other pandemics are on the way -- which necessitates different health/ economic global preventive measures than if it were man-made.

Having learned this, I'm thinking that WHO, Bill Gates & others who are trying to suppress the exploration of the "laboratory leak" theory (alongside the wet market one) - they're not just being political or PC; they're criminal.

 

[stickygirl]

Yet another reputable scientist who says that it's quite possible that the virus was accidentally released from the lab., having been specifically enhanced to infect humans:

Leaving aside the criminal culpability of China, if true, wouldn't that make it harder to produce an effective vaccine?

^Not necessarily: viruses mutate and specific targets may change and render a vaccine ineffective. It doesn't matter if the virus's natural host is a hamster or a human, the mutations occur anyway. That's why it's good that there are numerous vaccines in development because we might need several to be effective.

The professor includes a few more 'coulds' and maybes' that you have not quoted. I'm not sure why. It's in the nature of journalism to sell with headlines.

The bulk of the recent novel viruses are occurring in regions where there is a lot of interaction and pressure on the local environment
"Migration on that scale means forest land is destroyed to create residential areas. Wild animals, forced to move closer to cities and towns, inevitably encounter domestic animals and the human population. Wild animals often harbor viruses; bats, for instance, can carry hundreds of them. And viruses, jumping species to species, can ultimately infect people."

Whether people will jump on environmental pressure to say 'liberal-global-warming hoax' or the need for virus research for possible weaponisation as 'rep-weapons-good bs', politicising the discussion achieves very little. I doubt we'll ever know where the virus came from, just like MERS, SARS and Ebola but no doubt the professor is keen that his research continues to be funded. There are hundreds of potential viruses in nature any one of which could switch a gene strand and produce another pandemic.

We have more people on the planet than it can reasonably sustain, but that's another discussion and coronavirus isn't nature's way of thinning us out.

 

[Dribble]

Jesus fucking christ. We have a strain of Covid-19 that was collected from a cave with bats over ten years ago in China. It wasn't named cause no one invested the money...it wasn't considered important enough. Now the money was there. They sequenced the virus...and it is identical to what is out there now. But this fact doesn't play into the conspiracy theorists story, so facts are once again shoved down.

 

[SpeareChucker]

When you make absolute claims,
please provide links...

 

[Dribble]

When you make absolute claims,
please provide links...

Published in Nature several months ago. Do your own research moron.

The researchers went into the caves and collected over 500 unique coronaviruses. They didnt have the money to sequence them all. Now they did. And there it was...collected ten years ago. But I am sure you consider it fake news.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Then everything you have printed is a lie.

Everyone is free to just assume that.

 

[cinnefille]

The professor includes a few more 'coulds' and maybes' that you have not quoted. I'm not sure why. It's in the nature of journalism to sell with headlines.

The bulk of the recent novel viruses are occurring in regions where there is a lot of interaction and pressure on the local environment

The point of the professor was that Both theories are EQUALLY possible (an extremely rare, unlikely mutation from bat to animal, AND a lab. accidental leak).

The point of the article was to refute the mainstream narrative: that the virus originated 99% from a wet market, and we should drop the investigation of the alternative.

The bulk of the recent novel viruses are occurring in regions where there is a lot of interaction and pressure on the local environment

Whether people will jump on environmental pressure to say 'liberal-global-warming hoax' or the need for virus research for possible weaponisation as 'rep-weapons-good bs', politicising the discussion achieves very little.

Not all people who, like me, err towards the lab leak theory, are as primitive as you described.

It's also extremely important to find out where the virus came from.

If it came from wet market, it's very likely that we'll have more zoonotic pandemics in the future, which means that we need to drastically alter our lifestyle, economies, and redirect our health and research budgets.

Strangely as it may sound, I think that the best scenario would be that it was artificially created, an accidental leak from the lab.

 

[Dribble]

I was wrong. It wasn't collected ten years ago. It was collected in 2013. I make mistakes every so often

 

[cinnefille]

Jesus fucking christ. We have a strain of Covid-19 that was collected from a cave with bats over ten years ago in China. It wasn't named cause no one invested the money...it wasn't considered important enough. Now the money was there. They sequenced the virus...and it is identical to what is out there now. But this fact doesn't play into the conspiracy theorists story, so facts are once again shoved down.

You mean Professor Petrovsky of Flinders University is incompetent or lying?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Another claim and another no-link...



Clearly a lie.