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[Senna Jawa]

Let me present my present LitStats (sorry for the sloppy format). I finally have overcome my over 3 year long procrastination and have written a quick perl program which processes the Literotica submission page. Now getting some statistics is a snap.

****** senna jawa's stats ******

date: 2005-08-29B

The total number of submissions = 284
The number of submissions w/o description = 283
Erotic poems: 74
Non-Erotic poems: 209
The number of rated submissions : 228

The number of submissions within the given rating range:

5.00 -- 62
4.01 to 4.99 -- 38
4.00 -- 43
3.01 to 3.99 -- 32
3.00 -- 20
2.01 to 2.99 -- 8
2.00 -- 10
1.01 to 1.99 -- 5
1.00 -- 10
x.xx -- 56

I'll add more stats in the next posts.

Let me comment a bit.

Almost all of my rated 5.00 submissions have but one vote only (no, not mine; with an exception of a very short period of time early in my Lit being I never voted on my poems; occasionally there is an exception when I comment on my submissions on the feedback portal--it's a kind of imposed on us by Literotica).

Votes on Literotica come and go. A great majority of my poems had at one time or another average 5.00, but then either there would come a non-5 vote or one or even more 5-votes would vanish. (The same goes for votes 1-4 but I happen to pay more attention to 5s). A few of my poems had on occasions four 5s and nothing more. I am not sure if I ever had five 5s and no other votes for a submission. And I had between one and three poems which had five or more 5s (without average being 5.00).

My short poems used to have ratings from 4.5 to 5 but since the arrival of a participant of this board this has changed. Actually there seems to be also another person shooting down my shorties. It's ok. No big deal. The whole voting/rating thing is a curiosity and trivia one aspect of which are readers (including authors), and another the funny ways of Literotica with its silly "fraud" fighting algorithm.

Altogether, I like the ratings and all stats, it has a recreational value to me, and it tells me a few things about you guys. For instance, isn't it funny that an author who should be happy to get any vote 2 is bitching about votes below 5 or 4. That's much simpler and easier than to learn this or that, just anything, about poetry.

Just 20 or 10h earlier I had 44 submissions rated 4.00 but a nasty, horrible reader lowered it to 43, and raised the next, inferior category from 31 to 32--oh, how sad. We should unite against such antisocial acts and act against them like one man or woman or a bi.

Regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

the number of votes

date: 2005-08-29B



votes submissions
====================
0 -- 56
1 -- 105
2 -- 57
3 -- 30
4 -- 9
5 -- 8
6 -- 4
7 -- 5
8 -- 2
9 -- 3
11 -- 2
14 -- 1
16 -- 1
36 -- 1

We see that over half of submissions got none or just one vote. This is due to the readers' reluctance to vote (and why should they?! They should be simply entertained, that's all), and partly because Literotica is continuously (and without making any sense) removing votes. Thus I have submissions with over a thousand views ("reads") and with no vote--you've got another trivia item.

Regards,

 

[Rybka]

Welcome Back!

It is good to see you submitting and posting again! With any luck some of our newer members may go through the same transition that your comments/POV forced on me. - You made me a better writer (although you probably don't think that I have learned anything), and I thank you!

Is your perl program usable by anyone, and would you consider sharing it?

Regards, Rybka

PS: Is that site with all your earlier work still up? I lost the address when my computer got zapped. Could you please post or e-mail me the URL if it is.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Altogether, I like the ratings and all stats, it has a recreational value to me, and it tells me a few things about you guys. For instance, isn't it funny that an author who should be happy to get any vote 2 is bitching about votes below 5 or 4. That's much simpler and easier than to learn this or that, just anything, about poetry.

Hi, Senna! Welcome back to active duty. If you would believe that, I'm actually quite pleased to see you posting again.

I noticed something similar on a recent thread and remembered you. Of the 100 poems on the top-rated list that day, all except one had either a perfect 5 or had that perfect score tainted by one single 4 vote. One has to wonder if these poems are posted on the same site as the one we so often hear about being infested by trolls.

Just 20 or 10h earlier I had 44 submissions rated 4.00 but a nasty, horrible reader lowered it to 43, and raised the next, inferior category from 31 to 32--oh, how sad. We should unite against such antisocial acts and act against them like one man or woman or a bi.

A number of us have decided to simply shutdown voting on our poems. It's one less trivia item around, true, but it put the focus back where it belongs.


PS: You should do something about your signature. Unfortunately, character codes were disallowed on the new vB version...

 

[Senna Jawa]

senna vampire?

It is good to see you submitting and posting again! With any luck some of our newer members may go through the same transition that your comments/POV forced on me. - You made me a better writer (although you probably don't think that I have learned anything), and I thank you!

Thank you Rybka for your kind words. I don't mean "vampire" as in "blood sucker" but as in "more dead than alive", in the context of poetry of course.

Is your perl program usable by anyone, and would you consider sharing it?

At one moment I will simply post it, perhaps in a separate thread. I'll be a bit embarrassed to do so, because I do here a quick and far from skillful programming. The program is meant just for the Literotica submission page/file. I enjoy the output anyway. It has more than I have shown so far. I didn't want to overwhelm the readers with too many tables and numbers. I might continue.

PS: Is that site with all your earlier work still up? I lost the address when my computer got zapped. Could you please post or e-mail me the URL if it is.

I hope so. I'll check it. (It is not quite up to date). I'll also post URL of my site at Alanisko's.

Best regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

mystery

Hi, Senna! Welcome back to active duty. If you would believe that, I'm actually quite pleased to see you posting again.

I am glad, thank you. "Active" may be too ambitious for me though.

[...]Of the 100 poems on the top-rated list that day, all except one had either a perfect 5 or had that perfect score tainted by one single 4 vote.

This is mysterious. At least statistically. People simply are hardly ever, I'd say never, in this kind of agreement about poems. Especially that Literotica readers are not consistently super-experts.

I don't have any explanation for this phenomenon of 10+ scores of 5s only or 15+ 5s with one 4. One or two people may indeed ask their friends or even go from one public library to another and vote themselves on their poems. But there are too many of them, and I don't believe that so many people would go to such trouble for such a trivial reason. I would also think that not many people even give the link to their friends due to the unesthetical (read: repulsive ) look of the commercials on Literotica (never mind porn . I mention occasionally Literotica, and that I post here, but I hardly ever provide the link. Possibly I did to about three people. Only one my friend actually read my poems for a while on Literotica. I don't know if he bothered with voting, I got some feedback from him and it was nice. We used to play ping-poing, then he moved, while he was still by himself. Once his family has joined him I don't think that he has time for (my poems. And I myself am not good at keeping in touch.

One has to wonder if these poems are posted on the same site as the one we so often hear about being infested by trolls.

A long time ago there actually were a couple of funny guys who had expressed their hatred toward some or all of the authors on our board, and indeed they were sprinkling the poems with 1s. That's when Literotica has introduced that idiotic, "fraud" fighting program. The cure was worse than the medicine, or perhaps the anonymous but open institution of voting has no chance to be much meaningful. I am more sorry about reads/views which unfortunately are manipulated by Literotica too. I wish I knew the Literotica algorithm or something. From time to time they are adding
hundreds of "views" (pseudo-reads) to many poems. I do not know how they select them. All I know is that the number of "reads/views" is blown up out of proportion. Poems which otherwise collect 1-2 or even less than 1 view per day suddenly get 200-800 in one day, or even get a few such injections within a week or two. It's done half-uniformly, half-randomly.

A number of us have decided to simply shutdown voting on our poems. It's one less trivia item around, true, but it put the focus back where it belongs.

All our actions are a part of the universal chaos

PS: You should do something about your signature. Unfortunately, character codes were disallowed on the new vB version...

This time I procrastinate for a good reason. I try to achieve a nice look for my texts or even for my sig. And then Literotica changes things and the effort and the look go down the drain. To follow the Literotica changes would be a full time job. Several of my poems are messed up. Another thing was Literotica's inconsistent policy with respect to the titles of the poems. For instance, haiku is known as a 5-7-5 poem. I titled one of mine as "1-2-4 haiku", because it had 1-2-4 syllables correspondingly in its consecutive 3 lines. The title became "One-Two-Three haiku". Ugh!!!

But enough of my bitching. Best regards,

 

[Rybka]

. . .
I would also think that not many people even give the link to their friends due to the unesthetical (read: repulsive ) look of the commercials on Literotica (never mind porn .
. . . But enough of my bitching. Best regards,

Senna, there is a program called Ad Muncher that prevent all of Lit's ads (and from everywhere else) showing visually on your screen. Try it. It is free.

Regards, Rybka

 

[Senna Jawa]

2 links

Is that site with all your earlier work still up? I lost the address when my computer got zapped. Could you please post or e-mail me the URL if it is.

Yes, it's still there:

poetry + poezja/

And here is another link (with a few poems only--the site is under an eternal construction):

Wlod at Alanisko's

Regards,

 

[CharleyH]

Let me present my present LitStats (sorry for the slopping format). I finally have overcome my over 3 year long procrastination and have written a quick perl program which processes the Literotica submission page. Now getting some statistics is a snap.

****** senna jawa's stats ******

date: 2005-08-29B

The total number of submissions = 284
The number of submissions w/o description = 283
Erotic poems: 74
Non-Erotic poems: 209
The number of rated submissions : 228

The number of submissions within the given rating range:

5.00 -- 62
4.01 to 4.99 -- 38
4.00 -- 43
3.01 to 3.99 -- 32
3.00 -- 20
2.01 to 2.99 -- 8
2.00 -- 10
1.01 to 1.99 -- 5
1.00 -- 10
x.xx -- 56

I'll add more stats in the next posts.

Let me comment a bit.

Almost all of my rated 5.00 submissions have but one vote only (no, not mine; with an exception of a very short period of time early in my Lit being I never voted on my poems; occasionally there is an exception when I comment on my submissions on the feedback portal--it's a kind of imposed on us by Literotica).

Votes on Literotica come and go. A great majority of my poems had at one time or another average 5.00, but then either there would come a non-5 vote or one or even more 5-votes would vanish. (The same goes for votes 1-4 but I happen to pay more attention to 5s). A few of my poems had on occasions four 5s and nothing more. I am not sure if I ever had five 5s and no other votes for a submission. And I had between one and three poems which had five or more 5s (without average being 5.00).

My short poems used to have ratings from 4.5 to 5 but since the arrival of a participant of this board this has changed. Actually there seems to be also another person shooting down my shorties. It's ok. No big deal. The whole voting/rating thing is a curiosity and trivia one aspect of which are readers (including authors), and another the funny ways of Literotica with its silly "fraud" fighting algorithm.

Altogether, I like the ratings and all stats, it has a recreational value to me, and it tells me a few things about you guys. For instance, isn't it funny that an author who should be happy to get any vote 2 is bitching about votes below 5 or 4. That's much simpler and easier than to learn this or that, just anything, about poetry.

Just 20 or 10h earlier I had 44 submissions rated 4.00 but a nasty, horrible reader lowered it to 43, and raised the next, inferior category from 31 to 32--oh, how sad. We should unite against such antisocial acts and act against them like one man or woman or a bi.

Regards,

So. Not that I really know you, but ... how do stating the stats now (despite nature of post), which can always be swung - affect you as a poet?

Just a question.

Otherwise you are a smarmy and sarcastically funny bitch or bastard! LOL

 

[Du Lac]

SJ..just my thoughts

Listen.. this has been a very touchy subject here on the boards. In the end of the day when you look back upon what really matters do you think of the votes on Literotica?

When you sit down and write do you write to see a 5 next to your poem or do you write to write?

Over all even though I have the voting still on my poems I very rarely go see where they stand. In the end of the day it does not matter. Did I write to write or did I need my ego kissed?

So I write to write a need a desire that haunts me... one that I can not do right now and this brings tears to my eyes (hate writers block!) ....

I say forget the votes forget the stroke.. just write share with us and help us all become better writers.

blessings
du lac~

 

[Senna Jawa]

how do stating the stats now affect you as a poet?

Exactly zero.

 

[CharleyH]

Exactly zero.

Thats why I loved the sarcasm!

 

[Senna Jawa]

[...] In the end of the day when you look back upon what really matters do you think of the votes on Literotica?

[...] Did I write to write or did I need my ego kissed?

[...] I say forget the votes forget the stroke.. just write share with us and help us all become better writers.

Du Lac, you're preaching under a wrong tree. In other words, you are breaking through a door which is open.

When it comes to "helping us all to become better writers" it got me only in a trouble. Posting stats is safer and less prone to an accident (am I wrong? ).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

PS. Almost all my poems were written before I have joined Literotica anyway.

 

[Du Lac]

Sj

Du Lac, you're preaching under a wrong tree. In other words, you are breaking through a door which is open.

When it comes to "helping us all to become better writers" it got me only in a trouble. Posting stats is safer and less prone to an accident (am I wrong? ).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

PS. Almost all my poems were written before I have joined Literotica anyway.

No worries SJ.. and I am not preaching nor trying to break down a door lol.. too old for that stuff. I hope I did not come off that way or offend you. That was not my intention. Just stating how I feel and why I see this becoming a battle field again. I am tired of the hate and fighting here and just want some peace. I am sorry you got into trouble by helping others that is horrible but I have experienced that and understand.

I went to your site and read some of your poems I personally enjoyed empty words. Thank you for sharing your work.
blessings
du lac

 

[Senna Jawa]

Ad Muncher

Senna, there is a program called Ad Muncher that prevent all of Lit's ads (and from everywhere else) showing visually on your screen. Try it. It is free.

Regards, Rybka

Thank you, Rybka, I have saved this link, it's most interesting... and worrisome--this program can do a lot, and so much that I am afraid of it. I am safe though, I think, because it is advertised for PCs (Windows) only, while I use Mac Mini already for a while.

Best regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

rating versus other parameters

In the case of my submissions the table looks as follows:

date: 2005-08-29B


The total number of submissions = 284
The number of submissions w/o description = 283
Erotic poems: 74
Non-Erotic poems: 209
The number of rated submissions : 228

The number of
-------- SUBM-s VOTES VIEWS ** COMsubs COMM-s --within the given
RATING range:

5.00 ---------- 62 77 55998 ** 4 7
4.01 to 4.99 -- 38 125 51835 ** 13 27
4.00 ---------- 43 76 38251 ** 7 16
3.01 to 3.99 -- 32 172 110277 ** 7 19
3.00 ---------- 20 36 21239 ** 2 4
2.01 to 2.99 -- 8 55 41051 ** 4 14
2.00 ---------- 10 36 8386 ** 0 0
1.01 to 1.99 -- 5 12 5590 ** 0 0
1.00 ---------- 10 10 9898 ** 0 0
x.xx ---------- 56 0 46695 ** 0 0

Is anything striking here? Any irregularities? Can you explain them or are they just flukes? (If an irregularity is explained, is it still an irregularity?)

Regards,

Senna Jawa

PS. I can make a few comments but I curious about yours first.

 

[Liar]

Thank you, Rybka, I have saved this link, it's most interesting... and worrisome--this program can do a lot, and so much that I am afraid of it. I am safe though, I think, because it is advertised for PCs (Windows) only, while I use Mac Mini already for a while.

Best regards,

My vague and shifty memory tells me that I've heard of a good free ad-blocker for MacOS too. If I can recall what it was called, I'll let you know.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Is anything striking here? Any irregularities? Can you explain them or are they just flukes? (If an irregularity is explained, is it still an irregularity?)

Could you please post the stats with same-sized intervals that may allow us to see the effects of an H icon? Perhaps half-point intervals (1.00-1.49, 1.50-1.99, ... 4.50-4.99, 5.00)

Or a simple indication of how may of the poems on the 4.50-5.0 range have 10 votes or more, and if there is a statistical difference between the views of those who have more than 10 votes and those who don't.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Thank you, Rybka, I have saved this link, it's most interesting... and worrisome--this program can do a lot, and so much that I am afraid of it. I am safe though, I think, because it is advertised for PCs (Windows) only, while I use Mac Mini already for a while.

Best regards,

If you cross over to the dark side completely and change your browser to Firefox, there is a pretty handy tool called Adblock, which simply make any individual image (or any image hosted at a given location) disappear from view.

 

[PatCarrington]

If you cross over to the dark side completely and change your browser to Firefox, there is a pretty handy tool called Adblock, which simply make any individual image (or any image hosted at a given location) disappear from view.

just out of curiosity, lauren ( and you are much more computer-savvy than i'll ever be ) - why change from Explorer to Firefox?

aren't browsers basically the same, or is Explorer so vulnerable to attack because it is so predominant?

good morning...or afternoon for you, i guess.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

just out of curiosity, lauren ( and you are much more computer-savvy than i'll ever be ) - why change from Explorer to Firefox?

aren't browsers basically the same, or is Explorer so vulnerable to attack because it is so predominant?

good morning...or afternoon for you, i guess.

Good morning, Pat.

Well, Firefox and IE may look basically the same at first - and this makes transition very easy - but Firefox is much lighter and performs a lot faster than IE. It supports tabbed browsing, which is a great help in terms of navigation. When I'm doing backstage work here or on Survivor, I frequently have upwards of 70 pages open simultaneously without any problem. If I were using IE, the system would probably crash by the 10th page, most times.

It comes with a better integrated pop-up blocker than IE. It makes it a lot more difficult for any site to install malware without your express approval. It has literally hundreds of easy to use add-ons that can improve its performance even further and personalise it to your needs and way of browsing.

Some people say Firefox's security isn't that much better than IE, and that the only reason for it to be safer is because few people use it (10%), which means hackers aren't interested enough. But I think it's more than just that. Firefox is open code, which means everyone can see how it works, and so it constantly under scrutiny from millions of people. Any bug or vulnerability can be detected easily by anyone and corrected immediately. They have a $500 (+ a t-shirt ) "bug bounty" in place for each security bug detected.

 

[Liar]

Good morning, Pat.

Well, Firefox and IE may look basically the same at first - and this makes transition very easy - but Firefox is much lighter and performs a lot faster than IE. It supports tabbed browsing, which is a great help in terms of navigation. When I'm doing backstage work here or on Survivor, I frequently have upwards of 70 pages open simultaneously without any problem. If I were using IE, the system would probably crash by the 10th page, most times.

Actually, that's not 100% true. A Firefox process uses up significally more memory than an Explorer process. So if you have a memory-weak puter and wants to do that, it will most likely go Zap, where Explorer will churn on.

It uses less CPU though. So for any normal use, it's faster for anyone.

*sigh* the things I learn by working with a buncha mega geeks.

And yeah...tabs kick ass.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Actually, that's not 100% true. A Firefox process uses up significally more memory than an Explorer process. So if you have a memory-weak puter and wants to do that, it will most likely go Zap, where Explorer will churn on.

It uses less CPU though. So for any normal use, it's faster for anyone.

*sigh* the things I learn by working with a buncha mega geeks.

And yeah...tabs kick ass.

Well, i don't know if it's the memory or the CPU, but I do know that on my computer it performs a lot better. And tab browsing is infinitely more practical when we're working on multiple pages.

 

[Rybka]

FYI: For about the next 12 hours you can download "Opera" for free.

Go to:

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[PatCarrington]

Well, i don't know if it's the memory or the CPU, but I do know that on my computer it performs a lot better. And tab browsing is infinitely more practical when we're working on multiple pages.

thanks for the answer, lauren.

and the info, liar.

i LOVE the idea of being able to tab browse, but if i ever have 70 pages open simultaneously like you, lauren, you'll know i'm having a grand mal seizure.