Sports and politics...do they mix?

Freya

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Should athletes chosen to represent a country at the Olympics, be chosen based on their political beliefs or on their athleticism?

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2004/07/20/549559.html

A real bearer for punishment

THE COC MADE A BIG MISTAKE PICKING AN ADMITTED SEPARATIST TO CARRY OUR FLAG AND JUDO HOPEFUL NICOLAS GILL COULD BE MADE TO PAY THE PRICE

By STEVE SIMMONS


AN ADMITTED separatist will carry the Canadian flag at the Summer Olympics in Athens. Nice.

Of course, nobody happened to mention that little fact at the two receptions held by the Canadian Olympic Committee yesterday. Either the politically correct COC wasn't aware of Nicolas Gill's past political affiliations -- which is quite possible -- or worse, it chose not to care.

Gill told The Toronto Sun's Steve Buffery in 1995 that he voted for Quebec sovereignty and feels "more like a Quebecer than I do a Canadian."

He said in the same interview it would be a "special feeling" to carry the (Fleur-de-lis) at a sporting event.

"I don't really compete for Canada," Gill said, "I compete for myself."

When asked about his comments in a telephone interview yesterday, Gill did not distance himself from his published views.

"I'm proud of being from Quebec," Gill said, trying to explain his position. "We are in Canada and I'm proud of that, too. You do what gives you the drive. It's really very personal. You have to do it for yourself.

"In Canada, we have different cultures and you should be proud of your culture. I'm very proud of my culture. But carrying the Maple Leaf will definitely be one of my greatest memories of my career."

Gill did not indicate he was misquoted in The Sun story of 1995 nor did he deny any of his past sentiments.

A five-person panel has elected Gill to lead the Canadian delegation into the Olympic Stadium, the worldwide stage for the opening ceremony in Athens, and can't you just hear the broadcasters.

Announcer: "And here comes Canada, led by Nicolas Gill."

Colour person: "Yes, Gill won Olympic medals in judo in 1992 in Barcelona and in the 2000 Games in Sydney, and in between he voted for the dismantling of his country."

Athletically, there is not much wrong with the choice of Gill to carry the flag. This is his fourth Olympic Games. He has twice won medals in judo. He has made something of a miraculous recovery from injury just to qualify for Athens. Ten times he has been a national champion. And yesterday, the COC referred to him the greatest judoka in Canadian history. Just who happens to be second greatest judoka in Canadian history is anyone's guess. But that's an argument best left for another day.

The case against Gill doesn't even have to begin with the fact he would rather represent one province than 10. But if you want to make the argument that the flag-bearer represents not only your country but your athletic ideals, that he represents your small window to the world, that whichever face you choose should be the face of your country, then the wrong choice has been made here.

"He's an outstanding ambassador," said Dave Bedford, Canada's chef de mission in Athens. "He's proud to carry the Canadian flag. I don't have a concern in the slightest about him.

"I don't believe politics has any place in sports. His personal convictions are up to him. They're not my business or your business."

While Bedford represents just one vote, it is his belief that the flag-bearer is chosen for "career achievement." The flag-bearer chosen to close the Games is selected for "accomplishment during those Games."

The choice could have been or should have been a returning gold medallist -- such as wrestler Daniel Igali, who adorned himself in the Canadian flag with tears in his eyes after winning in Sydney. And since then has repeated over and over his love and admiration for his adopted nation. That would have been too easy, impossible to argue against.

Instead, it was Nicolas Gill, and let the debate begin.

"For me, pressure is not a problem," Gill said. "I need pressure. I need stress. I need that."

And he's about to get all that -- and more.
 
Angel said:
on their athleticism

Normally I would agree. However, I feel about this much the same as I feel about having a party devoted to separation of one province involved in our federal elections. These people who believe in separation here, are only focused on their 10% of the country, not the rest. And for that reason, I do wonder if he was the right choice for Canada.
 
Big deal. Gill was a seperatist. He voted in a legal referendum that was sanctioned by the government.
The government asked for his opinion and he gave it.

Just because we don't like his opinion doesn't mean he has any less of a right to carry the flag.

He is an outstanding athlete, representing Canadian athletes at an athletic competition.
 
yeah its making some noise here too in Quebec. I heard Nicolas Gill on the radio this morning, he said that even if he is for separated Quebec (he said that in 1995) he is pround to represent the Canada because it is his country now.
 
breakwall said:
Big deal. Gill was a seperatist. He voted in a legal referendum that was sanctioned by the government.
The government asked for his opinion and he gave it.

Just because we don't like his opinion doesn't mean he has any less of a right to carry the flag.

He is an outstanding athlete, representing Canadian athletes at an athletic competition.

But he's not competing for Canada. He's competing for Quebec (and himself, which they all do).

There's nothing wrong with casting your vote how you choose, but voting against the country you're from, and then pretending to represent it at a world games seems slightly hypocritical to me.
 
Politics and sport should never mix. Unfortunately politicians stick their huge noses into things that don't concern them.

As far as a separatist taking your flag, why not? Until such times as there are two separate countries he is a Canadian citizen.

I'm sure there are enough Scottish and Welsh Nationalists in the GB Olympic team but as long as they remain British......
 
Freya said:
But he's not competing for Canada. He's competing for Quebec (and himself, which they all do).

There's nothing wrong with casting your vote how you choose, but voting against the country you're from, and then pretending to represent it at a world games seems slightly hypocritical to me.

Then, given that the Olympics only allow athletes to compete for countries, who should he represent?
 
bluespoke said:
Politics and sport should never mix. Unfortunately politicians stick their huge noses into things that don't concern them.

As far as a separatist taking your flag, why not? Until such times as there are two separate countries he is a Canadian citizen.

I'm sure there are enough Scottish and Welsh Nationalists in the GB Olympic team but as long as they remain British......

That's a good point. I know Ireland has its own team, but does Scotland and Wales? Or do they fly under the British flag?
 
Freya said:
But he's not competing for Canada. He's competing for Quebec (and himself, which they all do).

There's nothing wrong with casting your vote how you choose, but voting against the country you're from, and then pretending to represent it at a world games seems slightly hypocritical to me.
I guess this is what I love about Canada.
Here we have a guy who really has the fortitude (or gall, I guess, depending on your PoV) to say what he really feels, and what he really believes in and we still allow him to represent the country, we still treat him like a Canadian citizen, with all the rights and priveleges that go along with that.
Why? Because he IS a Canadian citizen, and because we, as Canadians, are secure enough to allow someone with differing viewpoints have their say and hold their beliefs.

Despite what Gill believes, I think by allowing him to believe it, we live in a pretty damn good place.
 
Freya said:
That's a good point. I know Ireland has its own team, but does Scotland and Wales? Or do they fly under the British flag?

Sadly, under the British flag. They only compete separately at the Commonwealth Games.
 
My opinion on this is that he has a right to his view. He said that carrying the Maple Leaf would be the biggest thrill in his life. Yes, he voted for seperation but that doesn't necessarily mean he is anti-Canada..just pro-Quebec. :)

It's a sticky situation for sure and no doubt will drum up a lot of discussion down at the Tim Hortons

:D
 
I believe Marv Albert wrote a book on the conservative and meaningless bias in sports
 
breakwall said:
I guess this is what I love about Canada.
Here we have a guy who really has the fortitude (or gall, I guess, depending on your PoV) to say what he really feels, and what he really believes in and we still allow him to represent the country, we still treat him like a Canadian citizen, with all the rights and priveleges that go along with that.
Why? Because he IS a Canadian citizen, and because we, as Canadians, are secure enough to allow someone with differing viewpoints have their say and hold their beliefs.

Despite what Gill believes, I think by allowing him to believe it, we live in a pretty damn good place.

I think so too.

But (always a but), I guess I think that he might not be the best choice for representing our country when his views don't represent the country as a whole. Make sense?

As far as competing goes, I think all athletes compete for themselves first, country second. It's just because it's the Olympics that the national pride comes so much into play. But he'll be carrying our flag...one which he doesn't necessarily support or believe in.

Blue, why is that? Oh welcome back, btw. Glad you got your kinks worked out (computer ones anyways). ;)
 
GeOfLuViAl said:
My opinion on this is that he has a right to his view. He said that carrying the Maple Leaf would be the biggest thrill in his life. Yes, he voted for seperation but that doesn't necessarily mean he is anti-Canada..just pro-Quebec. :)

It's a sticky situation for sure and no doubt will drum up a lot of discussion down at the Tim Hortons

:D

No, separation doesn't mean being anti-Canadian. They still want the country to support them even if they go their own way.

Mia, what's he got to do with it? He's an ex-athlete - he's not mixing the two together.
 
Freya said:
I think so too.

But (always a but), I guess I think that he might not be the best choice for representing our country when his views don't represent the country as a whole. Make sense?

As far as competing goes, I think all athletes compete for themselves first, country second. It's just because it's the Olympics that the national pride comes so much into play. But he'll be carrying our flag...one which he doesn't necessarily support or believe in.

Blue, why is that? Oh welcome back, btw. Glad you got your kinks worked out (computer ones anyways). ;)

I guess it's a flaw of being American, but I think that his views are supposed to represent HIM, not his country as a whole and that it should have nothing to do with whether or not he carries the Flag for Canada. He's still Canadian whether he agrees with it or not.
 
breakwall said:
I guess this is what I love about Canada.
Here we have a guy who really has the fortitude (or gall, I guess, depending on your PoV) to say what he really feels, and what he really believes in and we still allow him to represent the country, we still treat him like a Canadian citizen, with all the rights and priveleges that go along with that.
Why? Because he IS a Canadian citizen, and because we, as Canadians, are secure enough to allow someone with differing viewpoints have their say and hold their beliefs.

Despite what Gill believes, I think by allowing him to believe it, we live in a pretty damn good place.

*sniffle sniffle* well said.
 
Freya said:
Mia, what's he got to do with it? He's an ex-athlete - he's not mixing the two together.

Hmmm...don't get your knickers in a twist...it was a joke.... :rolleyes:
 
Freya said:

Blue, why is that? Oh welcome back, btw. Glad you got your kinks worked out (computer ones anyways). ;)

The UK is one political entity. In the eyes of the rest of the world and the Olympic movement both countries are merely regions.

Come the revolution.............!

Thanks, damn McAfee and it's self switching Privacy option!:D
 
Angel said:
I guess it's a flaw of being American, but I think that his views are supposed to represent HIM, not his country as a whole and that it should have nothing to do with whether or not he carries the Flag for Canada. He's still Canadian whether he agrees with it or not.

If the vote had gone the other way, he wouldn't still be Canadian though. That was his choice on the issue...to give up being Canadian, and just be a Quebecian (or something). If you don't want to be part of a country anymore, how can you represent it?
 
Freya said:
I think so too.

But (always a but), I guess I think that he might not be the best choice for representing our country when his views don't represent the country as a whole. Make sense?

I look at this statement:


"I'm proud of being from Quebec," Gill said, trying to explain his position. "We are in Canada and I'm proud of that, too. You do what gives you the drive. It's really very personal. You have to do it for yourself.

"In Canada, we have different cultures and you should be proud of your culture. I'm very proud of my culture. But carrying the Maple Leaf will definitely be one of my greatest memories of my career."


I understand that he's a seperatist, but he sure echoes what I think right here. I don't see him being blatantly Anti-Canadian.
 
Freya said:
No, separation doesn't mean being anti-Canadian. They still want the country to support them even if they go their own way.

In theory.

If Quebec had (or do) seperate, this is a point that cannot really be developed until the wheels of cessation begin to turn.
The idea was that the Quebec gov't would use the Canadian dollar. Big deal. Every island in the Carribean uses American currency regardless of their nationality.


I still have handfuls of useless square coins from Aruba that nobody would take.
 
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