Spammer Gets Jail!

R. Richard

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It is not unusual for me to boot my computer in the morning and find up to 50 spam e-mails waiting for me. I find real e-mail in the spam group just often enough that I have to manually go throught the spam e-mails and delete them. A nine year sentence is, IMHO, not nearly long enough. They ought to also throw in a little torture here. Comment?


Judge Sentences Spammer to Nine Years

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer

LEESBURG, Va. - A Virginia judge sentenced a spammer to nine years in prison Friday in the nation's first felony prosecution for sending junk e-mail, though the sentence was postponed while the case is appealed.

Loudoun County Circuit Judge Thomas Horne said that because the law targeting bulk e-mail distribution is new and raises constitutional questions, it was appropriate to defer the prison time until appeals courts rule.

A jury had recommended the nine-year prison term after convicting Jeremy Jaynes of pumping out at least 10 million e-mails a day with the help of 16 high-speed lines, the kind of Internet capacity a 1,000-employee company would need.

Jaynes, of Raleigh, N.C., told the judge that regardless of how the appeal turns out, "I can guarantee the court I will not be involved in the e-mail marketing business again."

The prosecutor, Lisa Hicks-Thomas, said she was pleased with the sentence and confident that the law would be upheld on appeal.

"We're satisfied that the court upheld what 12 citizens of Virginia determined was an appropriate sentence — nine years in prison," Hicks-Thomas said.

Defense attorney David Oblon argued in court that nine years was far too long given that Jaynes was charged as an out-of-state resident with violating a Virginia law that had taken effect just two weeks before.

"We have no doubt that we will win on appeal," Oblon said outside court. "Therefore any sentence is somewhat moot. Still, the sentence is not what we recommended and we're disappointed."

Jaynes declined to talk to reporters. He remains under $1 million bond.

Though Oblon has never disputed that his client was a bulk e-mail distributor, he argued during the trial that the law was poorly crafted and that prosecutors never proved the e-mail was unsolicited. He also has said the law is an unconstitutional infringement of free speech.

Under Virginia law, sending unsolicited bulk e-mail itself is not a crime unless the sender masks his identity. Prosecutors brought the case in Virginia because it is home to America Online Inc., the leading Internet service provider.

Prosecutors have described Jaynes as among the top 10 spammers in the world at the time of his arrest, using the name "Gaven Stubberfield" and other aliases to peddle junk products and pornography. Prosecutors say he grossed up to $750,000 per month.

The jury also convicted Jaynes's sister, Jessica DeGroot of Raleigh, but recommended only a $7,500 fine. Her conviction was later dismissed by the judge. A third defendant, Richard Rutkowski of Cary, N.C., was acquitted of all charges.
 
R. Richard said:
It is not unusual for me to boot my computer in the morning and find up to 50 spam e-mails waiting for me. I find real e-mail in the spam group just often enough that I have to manually go throught the spam e-mails and delete them. A nine year sentence is, IMHO, not nearly long enough. They ought to also throw in a little torture here. Comment?

Tatoo "CLICK HERE" on his butt before they send him to the pokey?
 
R. Richard said:
. . . "We're satisfied that the court upheld what 12 citizens of Virginia determined was an appropriate sentence — nine years in prison," Hicks-Thomas said. . . .
I truly do hate SPAM myself, but let’s at least try to keep things in perspective.

Voluntary manslaughter will only get you 5 to 10 years
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
I truly do hate SPAM myself, but let’s at least try to keep things in perspective.

Voluntary manslaughter will only get you 5 to 10 years
How sad is that?
 
He should have to do community service instead - clearing out the spam from everyone's mailbox in Virginia for a year or something.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
I truly do hate SPAM myself, but let’s at least try to keep things in perspective.

Voluntary manslaughter will only get you 5 to 10 years
But think about how many people get the urge to slaughter a man every morning when they check their email to find 50 SPAM messages. ;)
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
I truly do hate SPAM myself, but let’s at least try to keep things in perspective.

Voluntary manslaughter will only get you 5 to 10 years
Yeah. Given the kind of time you'd get for SPAMming, they really need to raise the sentence for Vol Man. ;)
 
Lauren Hynde said:
But think about how many people get the urge to slaughter a man every morning when they check their email to find 50 SPAM messages. ;)

My point exactly! A person who tries to kill someone intends to damage one person. The spammer intends to damage literally millions of people on a day by day basis. Of course, the spammers damage is less than manslaughter per individual, however, there are a lot more individuals damaged.

While I made a somewhat over the top remark to generate interest, I do want to cite a very real point. If there get to be a lot of spammers of the volume of the guy in the article, they could literally bring e-mail and perhaps the Internet to a grinding halt.

The crime, upon a bit of reflection, is a great deal more serious than might be thought at first glance.
 
R. Richard said:
. . . The crime, upon a bit of reflection, is a great deal more serious than might be thought at first glance.
By your reasoning, the fellow who cuts you off on the freeway should be given the chair. Right? :rolleyes:
 
Lauren Hynde said:
But think about how many people get the urge to slaughter a man every morning when they check their email to find 50 SPAM messages. ;)
Okay. What is the sentence for Incitement to Murder?
 
R. Richard said:
My point exactly! A person who tries to kill someone intends to damage one person. The spammer intends to damage literally millions of people on a day by day basis. Of course, the spammers damage is less than manslaughter per individual, however, there are a lot more individuals damaged.

While I made a somewhat over the top remark to generate interest, I do want to cite a very real point. If there get to be a lot of spammers of the volume of the guy in the article, they could literally bring e-mail and perhaps the Internet to a grinding halt.

The crime, upon a bit of reflection, is a great deal more serious than might be thought at first glance.
Question is, how much documented damage did the guy actually do? You can't really sentence him for what other people might do. Wouldn't be fair.

* Did he bring the Internet to a grinding halt? Not really. It's running just fine.
* Did he make mail providing companies lose money due to overload of traffic? Possibly. That would make it "economic sabotage" or something similar.
* Did he on a daily basis annoy the bejezus out of millions of people? Definitely. But so does Jay Leno.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
By your reasoning, the fellow who cuts you off on the freeway should be given the chair. Right? :rolleyes:

No, the guy who cuts me off on the freeway is probably an incompetent who should not be allowed to drive, but it is again, one on one. In addition, I have had several people "cut me off on the freeway." I not only allowed the people to do so, I helped them! (In each case they had what appeared to be serious problems with their vehicle and I wanted them to get to "the safety" [Ha!] of the emergency park lane at the right of most highways.)

As to Incitement To Murder, the nearest charge in most jurisdictions is Incitement To Riot. Incitement To Riot is a felony charge and damn well should be!

Perhaps I can put the uissue into focus by reviewing the law against counterfeiting. It may seem unreasonable to put some poor devil in jail for counterfeiting a $20 a week to keep himself from starving to death. However, the day that the government stops strict enforcement of the counterfeiting laws, the entire coutry would be swamped with "funy money" and society would quite literally break down.
 
Liar said:
. . . Did he bring the Internet to a grinding halt? Not really. It's running just fine. . . .
In fact, since the internet providers had to expand to accommodate the demands of spammers, in a strange way he could be cited as one factor in its phenomenal growth.

What I think would have been just, is if he had been charged 0.01 cents per email (figures based upon the best estimate by experts) a garnishee placed against his wages until the fine was paid, and a restraining order taken out against his coming within fifty feet of an internet-connected computer.
 
Okay...

750k a month?!?

Now I understand.

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
I would say nine years is pretty close to appropriate. Under the assumption it's a white collar crime and with the caveat it isn't nine years with no chance of parole, the odds are good he will only spend three to 5 years behind bars. If you gave him three to five, he would be out in six months.
 
I think 9 years is a bit excessive, but I'm not suprised by it. There was large amounts of money involved. Anytime someone is getting large sums of money, they always get more jail time.

I'm not defending Jim Bakker in any way, but he's the perfect example. He stole several million dollars from PTL. He was sentenced to 45 years in prison. Had he murdered Jessica Hahn, he could have cut a deal and only been sentenced to 20.

That's the way our legal system works now. Getting large amounts of money off of an illegal act will get you more jail time than any other crime. Spam the hell out of people while making $750k per month and you'll get 9 years. Accidentally kill someone and you'll only get about 5.

Ain't it great to be the leaders of the free world?
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
I truly do hate SPAM myself, but let’s at least try to keep things in perspective.

Voluntary manslaughter will only get you 5 to 10 years

Good point.

SPAMers should get the Chair. :cool:
 
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