Sorry, did our happy little fun thread piss you off????

[FreeBloke]

Our happy little fun thread got moved due to complaint!

I find that to be very petty and narrow minded!

Like all the other threads here are dead serious!

I thought this was a place of enlightenment, free speech and open mindedness.

Yeah right, free speech my ass!

 

[FreeGal]

Eep!

Looks like I've got some calming down to do. I know just the thing.

 

[catalina_francisco]

As explained in PM to you, there are 2 forums, Talk and Cafe. This came about because posters asked for the division to make it easier to separate the serious from the fun threads and vv, allowing a balance for all, not a dominance by the preferred choice of one or the other. The majority of posters here post to both forums and have no issue with there being a place to have fun, a place to be more serious. All that was politely asked by poster's was that this be respected so everyone's needs are continued to be met. There is no need to be agressive because it was mistakenly posted in the wrong forum, and which is not that unusual with newer posters who do not realise there is a set division for that purpose.

Catalina

 

[FreeBloke]

I don't mean to be aggresive Catalina, but I wont pretend I'm not annoyed!

As I alluded to you in my PM reply, It's my right to be annoyed, just as it is my right to free speech!

 

[ShyGuy68]

I don't mean to be aggresive Catalina, but I wont pretend I'm not annoyed!

As I alluded to you in my PM reply, It's my right to be annoyed, just as it is my right to free speech!

Ok my first thought was "geez get over it". If you had read the sticky "Welcome to the BDSM Forum: Please Read", and had posted in theBDSM Café as directed to there, your thread wouldn't have been moved in the first place.

Yes this is a place of free speech indeed, but it's also a place where you should post your comments in the appropriate place, and not where ever you want to. I suggest that you read the forum guidelines, since they are nice to know.

It's a part of life to make mistakes, and get corrected, so don't take it to hard

 

[Caitlynne]

You are entitled to your annoyance and you are entitled to your 'free speech'. You are NOT however, entitled to free speech with no consequence. No one is. (Something that is often over looked in life, and on the Internet.)

You many say whatever you wish, where ever you wish, but (and it's a pretty big but [no pun intended]) all speech has consequences. In this case. the consequence was your speech was moved to another part of the forum.

That's not exactly stepping all over your free speech, now is it? It's not off in a corner where no one will see it, in fact, it is now where all the playful PYL's and pyl's will find it, and join in.

~ Cait

 

[DaveUpyours]

That argument doesn't fly. Taken literally, we should all be posting in one board, because division somehow negates our free speech.

Further, you have absolutely no right to free speech on someone else's property, which is exactly what this forum is. I really hate it when people run around trying to claim things that they do not understand. Read a political science book instead of venting next time.

 

[FreeBloke]

As I said to Catalina in a PM, I'm not attempting to win an argument here.

I'm simply stating my case.

I quote, from the box on the Left on the replying page:

"WAIVER: By posting a message on this bulletin board, you understand this is your exercising of free speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution - which governs this website. As such, any reply to you is also protected and you waive liability to Literotica for any discussion resulting from such a reply or thread. If you do not agree, then DO NOT POST. To post is an express waiver of liability to Literotica.com."

Political science???

Isn't that where people write a load of garbage that compartmentalises our lives for us???

Compartmentalise this!!!!!


Anyway,

Both sides of the discussion have plus and minus points.

I'll even go so far as to say that having been here a while now, since Oct/Nov 03, I had forgotten about the segregation of subjects that goes on in some areas of lit.

"Serious BDSM over here, non serious over there!"

It's not even like the BDSM Talk board moves that fast. You can come back 24 hours later and your last comment is only six threads from the top.

I just found it petty, that people felt the need to complain, because their order of things was a little disturbed by a fun thread.

I even put a poll in, so they could have a blast at us. None of them said anything direct to us btw!

Anyway, I'm not really that bothered, I just felt it rude, that's all!

 

[Quint]

Shouldn't this thread be moved too?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Shouldn't this thread be moved too?

At this point I think it might serve better here if only to highlight the forum guidelines in advance, but am open to other views.

Catalina

 

[FreeGal]

...

I'll even go so far as to say that having been here a while now, since Oct/Nov 03, I had forgotten about the segregation of subjects that goes on in some areas of lit.

"Serious BDSM over here, non serious over there!"

It's not even like the BDSM Talk board moves that fast. You can come back 24 hours later and your last comment is only six threads from the top.

I just found it petty, that people felt the need to complain, because their order of things was a little disturbed by a fun thread.

I even put a poll in, so they could have a blast at us. None of them said anything direct to us btw!

Anyway, I'm not really that bothered, I just felt it rude, that's all!

I think that's a lot of it. We're more use to a self-moderated section of Lit.

I've been here, at Lit, since Jul/Aug of 2003, and have only recently been here, at the BDSM boards. Things are rather different here, but not in a negative way (mostly). I guess we just have a lighter, and more laid back, approach to things than most.

The way it was handled did smack me as rude, though, I have to say!

Catalina, that is not a bash at you, btw. You were just doing what you were appointed to do. I don't envy you, it can't be easy at times. Thank you, from me, for taking the time to correspond with FreeBloke and help explain the situation to us.

My love, I thought the pole (pole) was effing hilarious!

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think that's a lot of it. We're more use to a self-moderated section of Lit.

I've been here, at Lit, since Jul/Aug of 2003, and have only recently been here, at the BDSM boards. Things are rather different here, but not in a negative way (mostly). I guess we just have a lighter, and more laid back, approach to things than most.

The way it was handled did smack me as rude, though, I have to say!

Catalina, that is not a bash at you, btw. You were just doing what you were appointed to do. I don't envy you, it can't be easy at times. Thank you, from me, for taking the time to correspond with FreeBloke and help explain the situation to us.

My love, I thought the pole (pole) was effing hilarious!

I guess it depends on what you think of as rude...it is a very subjective word that means different things to different people. I didn't see it as rude in that an initial mistake was made due to your not understanding the guidelines of this particular forum as yet, and which I tried to explain in a non confrontational and friendly manner, as have others. I have in my time as moderator had to move a number of threads, some out of the forum altogether, but apart from one I recall, it was always okay and accepted as an improvement once explained why it was not suited where placed initially.

I think the forum here operates oin a system of generally trying to respect everyone and work within boundaries that allow each to have their place without ruling out another's or resorting to name calling and denigrating remarks when people try to express their thoughts or suggestions in a polite way. If it were that you were removed totally and told fun was not allowed, I would perhaps understand your reaction more, but all that happened was you were placed in the area where fun reigns supreme.....that I would think would serve your prupose better than wishing to be in a place where you are not welcome and are disrupting what others use this place (Talk) for.

You are right in that this forum is vastly different from the GB, and for most that is a welcome relief and one which is protected strongly. We do not bother going there and telling them how to run their forum and discussions, and value we do not have the same context and approach here. It is part of the value of this particular community in that people can feel free to discuss anything and everything without fear of being abused and ridiculed, and that we are a lot different from other discussion boards on BDSM in that serious discussion can take place without trolls disrupting it continually for their own purposes. In essence it is about community spirit, not individuals looking solely at what they want and need over the comfort and enjoyment of others, it is also about respect, a recognised key element in D/s.

Catalina

 

[sigsauerprinces]

just my two cents

i understand the division of the board-one for serious topics, and one for playful ones..and i understand the mods moving the threads to the appropriate forums...

what i DONT understand is what would motivate someone to actually fire off a complaint pm to a mod, saying "this threads is in the wrong forum! please, its got to be moved, now! this is really bothering and affecting me!"

that kind of mentality baffles me. if you dont want to read a thread, dont open it, you know?

 

[FreeGal]

You are right in that this forum is vastly different from the GB, and for most that is a welcome relief and one which is protected strongly. We do not bother going there and telling them how to run their forum and discussions, and value we do not have the same context and approach here. It is part of the value of this particular community in that people can feel free to discuss anything and everything without fear of being abused and ridiculed, and that we are a lot different from other discussion boards on BDSM in that serious discussion can take place without trolls disrupting it continually for their own purposes. In essence it is about community spirit, not individuals looking solely at what they want and need over the comfort and enjoyment of others, it is also about respect, a recognised key element in D/s.

Catalina

Um, no, I wasn't talking about the GB. That isn't where we "come from". I said a self-moderated part of Lit.

I'm not going to say too much, because I'm not about to give up our relative anonymity that we have here. We come here to be ourselves, and maybe discuss and learn a thing or two along the way.

I do find it quite amusing that you presumed "GB" though.

I think I've made about twenty posts in the GB, in the thousands I've made while here at Lit.

Anyway, lesson learned, I doubt we'll be making that mistake again and disturbing the sensativities of those in the Talk section.

Back to having fun...

just my two cents

i understand the division of the board-one for serious topics, and one for playful ones..and i understand the mods moving the threads to the appropriate forums...

what i DONT understand is what would motivate someone to actually fire off a complaint pm to a mod, saying "this threads is in the wrong forum! please, its got to be moved, now! this is really bothering and affecting me!"

that kind of mentality baffles me. if you dont want to read a thread, dont open it, you know?

My thoughts exactly.

Thank you.

 

[catalina_francisco]

just my two cents

if you dont want to read a thread, dont open it, you know?

[STARTING RANT MODE]
Just a queston, but how is a poster supposed to know the content of thread if you do not open it.

How is a reader supposed to know if they want to read or not read a thread without opening it.

I think enough has been said in this thread. This whole thread is to me a waste of time to read and certainly not worth my effort in writing a reply on. However I accept the right of speech of others to try to waste my time.

Now it is the posters on this forum to decide if they want to post and in such accept the rules of the forum or not.

I feel that is is normal to want to change the rules if you do not agree with them but we have feedback options for that. There are many ways in which posters can try to influence the rules of BDSM Talk and Cafe. It is the majority of posters who decide those rules.

My suggestion is simply to use those methods instead of trying to start a discussion which essentially only is leading down the path of arguments which can only lead to hostility on the board wich has no place here.

Now Ii have wasted enough of my time and anyone who was silly enough to read to the end of my rant.

[ENDING RANT MODE]

Francisco.

 

[WriterDom]

The forums are self cleansing. Nothing said or done here is really that important in the real world. Nothing. If you don't like the direction, stay away for a week, and it will look totally different.

Of course, some posts can be helpful, just as some advice here can be harmful.

And give the mods a break. Anything they do is going to be unpopular.

And stop whining. There is no crying in baseball or cyberspace. You are lucky your thread was only moved. I would have condemned it to cyber hell. This isn't the GB. We have a right to try to keep things on topic. Go piss in the poetry forum and see if they like it any better.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

[STARTING RANT MODE]
Just a queston, but how is a poster supposed to know the content of thread if you do not open it.

How is a reader supposed to know if they want to read or not read a thread without opening it.

I think enough has been said in this thread. This whole thread is to me a waste of time to read and certainly not worth my effort in writing a reply on. However I accept the right of speech of others to try to waste my time.

Now it is the posters on this forum to decide if they want to post and in such accept the rules of the forum or not.

I feel that is is normal to want to change the rules if you do not agree with them but we have feedback options for that. There are many ways in which posters can try to influence the rules of BDSM Talk and Cafe. It is the majority of posters who decide those rules.

My suggestion is simply to use those methods instead of trying to start a discussion which essentially only is leading down the path of arguments which can only lead to hostility on the board wich has no place here.

Now Ii have wasted enough of my time and anyone who was silly enough to read to the end of my rant.

[ENDING RANT MODE]



Francisco.

true, you cant know the content of a post til you open it...i just dont understand what would motivate someone to take the time to write a pm to amod asking them to move a thread because it was in the wrong forum. maybe i'm just really busy, but my life is too short for that kind of thing. if you open a thread and it wasnt what you thought it would be-move on and open another one, you know?

 

[FreeGal]

true, you cant know the content of a post til you open it.

Yep, that is a good point and true most of the time, but...

It was bleedin' obvious what the content of FreeBloke's thread in question was about. LOL!

Oh well, no harm done in the end, I don't think! We were just having a bit of fun and certainly meant no harm to anyone.

We know where the best place to have our fun is in the future.

Thanks all, I really have enjoyed this whole "experience" despite the niggles it seems to have caused.

It's also given me quite a job of calming FreeBloke! Oh, what a chore. NOT!

For him:

For Catalina:

 

[Raeth]

My personal opinion is that this you should have never made this aa public thing. It doesn't sound as if the moderators tried to humiliate you, or be rude... that she even bothered to PM you shows that.

It's not an issue of free speech... this site can regulate the forums however they please and not be violating any of your rights. Considering that... Lit is the best moderated place I have ever seen. I can't remember seeing a thread locked... or moved for no reason. The fact that this thread still exists says a lot.

I don't really care what people post or where... but I understand that some people do. It's not like the system was modified just to fuck with your post.

You're entitled to your opinion. So here's mine...

GET OVER IT.

 

[FreeBloke]

Some brilliant arguments there.

This is why I love lit, you can have a great argument/conversation about rocket science in one thread, and absolutely nothing in another.

Brilliant.

As I've just said to Catalina in a PM, if she'd simply told us she thought it was best if it was moved, and then asked if it was OK, I would almost certainly have apologised for the inconvenience and agreed.

If I hadn't and she then moved it, so be it.

The fact is, it was moved and then we were told.

Sigsauer has a good point about moving on if you don't like a thread. It's like watching TV. If you don't like a channel, change it. You don't moan about having to look first to see what's on it.

And Cat, as Freegal said, I deliberately named the thread clearly to minimise the annoyance to others. Quite clearly, nobady HAD to open it. The contents were, I felt, very clear.

I also loved what Writerdom said, about the forums being "self-cleansing." When a threads dead, it dies and gets washed down the pages. Quite right too.

The rest of the stuff he said though smacked of crying, so I wont go there.

Anyway, as I said to cat, it's not important, not today!

For my slut:

For Cat:

 

[FreeBloke]

My personal opinion is that this you should have never made this aa public thing. It doesn't sound as if the moderators tried to humiliate you, or be rude... that she even bothered to PM you shows that.

It's not an issue of free speech... this site can regulate the forums however they please and not be violating any of your rights. Considering that... Lit is the best moderated place I have ever seen. I can't remember seeing a thread locked... or moved for no reason. The fact that this thread still exists says a lot.

I don't really care what people post or where... but I understand that some people do. It's not like the system was modified just to fuck with your post.

You're entitled to your opinion. So here's mine...

GET OVER IT.

Your location is so apt!!!

 

[AvaAdore]

I skipped most of the details, but I would like to say this:

Free speech doesn't mean you should act like a dick on messageboards "because it's your right to". Please try to conform to the posting ettiquette here. It is a matter of courtesy to everyone else on the boards.

No one is trying to limit your precious rights.

 

[LadyG]

As I've just said to Catalina in a PM, if she'd simply told us she thought it was best if it was moved, and then asked if it was OK, I would almost certainly have apologised for the inconvenience and agreed.

She pointed out your error and moved your post. She didn't and doesn't need to ask you if that's OK.

Get over it. Your post was moved, not deleted.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

"Free speech" and message boards have absolutely nothing in common. "Free speech" means that you can say whatever you want in whatever forum you are welcome in, or can create for yourself. "Free speech" does NOT mean that you can say whatever you want, wherever you want. Lit is a privately-owned website, a business, and its owners, administrators, and appointed moderators can do absolutely whatever they want with your posts, including delete or move them. It isn't a violation of free speech in the slightest...



... you are 100% FREE, and completely within your legal rights, to buy some bandwidth and start your OWN website.

 

[MissTaken]

"Free speech" and message boards have absolutely nothing in common. "Free speech" means that you can say whatever you want in whatever forum you are welcome in, or can create for yourself. "Free speech" does NOT mean that you can say whatever you want, wherever you want. Lit is a privately-owned website, a business, and its owners, administrators, and appointed moderators can do absolutely whatever they want with your posts, including delete or move them. It isn't a violation of free speech in the slightest...



... you are 100% FREE, and completely within your legal rights, to buy some bandwidth and start your OWN website.

Yep, I miss this man.