Sometimes, it takes only one thing to do it for you

[WickedEve]

And this does it for me. Being told that my poetry is readable and the rest of the comments is too much. I've enjoyed my time here. Ange, Lauren, take care of replacing me as mod.
I'm making this public so you will all know why I left. I'm seriously not even going to consider the action I'm taking. I'm just doing it.

"You are capable of writing readable poetry and of giving acceptable
critiques. However, quite often you weaken your comments with personal
remarks to the poet. Concentrate on the poem and forget who wrote it. Take
that elsewhere. It is called the "New Poetry" forum not the "Poet"
forum. I believe you already have one of those and that you run it. Use it,
and please leave the "New Poetry" forum solely for poems and commentary
about poems.

Sincerely, YDD"

 

[Angeline]

And this does it for me. Being told that my poetry is readable and the rest of the comments is too much. I've enjoyed my time here. Ange, Lauren, take care of replacing me as mod.
I'm making this public so you will all know why I left. I'm seriously not even going to consider the action I'm taking. I'm just doing it.

"You are capable of writing readable poetry and of giving acceptable
critiques. However, quite often you weaken your comments with personal
remarks to the poet. Concentrate on the poem and forget who wrote it. Take
that elsewhere. It is called the "New Poetry" forum not the "Poet"
forum. I believe you already have one of those and that you run it. Use it,
and please leave the "New Poetry" forum solely for poems and commentary
about poems.

Sincerely, YDD"

Well now you don't have to explain what I asked about in the pm. If that makes you leave I'm driving down and slapping you silly girlfriend. I adore you. There is one other person--in my opinion--who made this place special for me when I came here, and he's not here anymore.

And as far as your personal comments--I love them. They make me smile and feel your friendship even though we've never met. You're one of a kind and I don't know that I'll want to be here if you're not. Where are you going? I'll follow you.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

You have to be kidding, Eve.

When were you the type of person to lead your life by what people you don't even know say?

You know what your poetry and your comments mean to us all - and to me in particular.

Now, stop being silly.

 

[Tathagata]

And this does it for me. Being told that my poetry is readable and the rest of the comments is too much. I've enjoyed my time here. Ange, Lauren, take care of replacing me as mod.
I'm making this public so you will all know why I left. I'm seriously not even going to consider the action I'm taking. I'm just doing it.

"You are capable of writing readable poetry and of giving acceptable
critiques. However, quite often you weaken your comments with personal
remarks to the poet. Concentrate on the poem and forget who wrote it. Take
that elsewhere. It is called the "New Poetry" forum not the "Poet"
forum. I believe you already have one of those and that you run it. Use it,
and please leave the "New Poetry" forum solely for poems and commentary
about poems.

Sincerely, YDD"

Is there a reason why you should care what anyone else thinks??

I hope you don't leave.
you don't allow someone to change your behavior because they don't agree or understand.

we are are individuals
we all have our own way of doing things
do what is " you"
write what is "you"
No one has the power to make you leave unless you let them.
You are stronger than that and I know it

 

[Angeline]

You have to be kidding, Eve.

When were you the type of person to lead your life by what people you don't even know say?

You know what your poetry and your comments mean to us all - and to me in particular.

Now, stop being silly.

Now you're in trouble Wickedness. You made Lauren make the frownie face.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Now you're in trouble Wickedness. You made Lauren make the frownie face.

You bet. She sounds like she's asking for a bitchslappin'

 

[Maria2394]

I always thought this was the poetry feedback and discussion forum, and what is a poem without the poet? Its our unique personas that GIVE us the ability to be diverse and write.
I do not know YDD, but I believe that was a crude and hateful letter, readable, my ass, its inspirational! your poetry and your comments. sounds like someone just wants to live in some sterile non feeling Orwellian universe where people dont even matter

I wouldnt let anon drive me away, dont let some faceless critic do that to you, please?

 

[minsue]

I'm seriously not even going to consider the action I'm taking. I'm just doing it.

Please consider it first. Seriously.

 

[Liar]

Ok, this is the final evidence of something I have suspected for a very long time.

I
don't
understand
anything
about
people.

I'm making this public so you will all know why I left.

Well, I still don't have a clue.

Because a weird person have a weird opinion?

Seriously, why?

huh?

#L

ps. oh yeah, I almost forgot: plz stay

 

[minsue]

Ok, this is the final evidence of something I have suspected for a very long time.

I
don't
understand
anything
about
people.

So how do you capture them so beautifully?




Eve, I'm begging you. Please don't go.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I always thought this was the poetry feedback and discussion forum, and what is a poem without the poet? Its our unique personas that GIVE us the ability to be diverse and write.
I do not know YDD, but I believe that was a crude and hateful letter, readable, my ass, its inspirational! your poetry and your comments. sounds like someone just wants to live in some sterile non feeling Orwellian universe where people dont even matter

I wouldnt let anon drive me away, dont let some faceless critic do that to you, please?

Maria, I have no idea who YDD is, but I have no problem with him/her/them saying whatever he/her/them want(s).

It's Eve that I'm mad at for letting it get to her. Sheesh!

 

[Angeline]

Shit I'll do something stupidly weird and kinky if it'll make her stay. I'll...I'll even write another Rowdy Ted poem. I swear I will. And Eve, if that doesn't convince you how much I love you, nothing will.

 

[perks]

dude, you can't be serious, my hate mail is ten times worse than that...

for instance

You couldn't possibley make my or anyone's poems any
> "better" with "editing" because you couldn't
> possibley
> know what the poet means -- and it is debatable if
> the
> poet even know what he means -- you (the critic) can
> only know what you are trying to mean or what you
> want
> the poem to mean -- and so you just blah blah blah
> about "word choice" or "form" or "structure" or
> whatever the appropriate literary buzz word might be
>
> So, please, tell me, what is a GOOD poem? (This is
> so
> silly)
>
> That's my opinion which I have outlined with
> integrity
> and a smirk.
>
> BTW what are your credentials for poetic criticism?
> Just curious.
******************************************

c'mon, I've been called a parasite and much more, every time I do a critique I get at least three or four hate letters, it's almost a game for me now. Take a break if you must, but don't let the haters get to you, laugh, Eve. They're impossibly, sophomorically silly. If being here and doind what we do bothers them, then lets do it MORE, not less.
get it? You have the control, sugahbaby, don't give it to an asshole.

 

[fawnie]

eve hun..you are very honest with critiques..
but what makes you stand out from someone who only sees the poem is the fact you do give the poem a face or name, like almost everyone here.

ydd might be a great critic..but i'll tell you right now..if everyone here was like ydd, i sure wouldn't stick around.

you give this place life. ydd gives it a good critic..they are a dime a dozen..

a colorful free spirited life is far more appealing.

frankly, i'm abit shocked you'd let 1 persons opinion chase you off..you seem much stronger then that to me.

stick around hun, majority rules!

 

[WickedEve]

I had a moment to calm down and I realize that I'm upset at myself for offering readers mediocre poetry. I'm upset at ydd for pointing it out. I'm sorry for acting foolishly on the board and not doing more to progress poetry around here.
I am working on my old site and reopening it. I'll keep in touch. But for now I need to leave and work on my writing and strive to improve.
I still respect ydd's critiques. I believe very much in what he/she has to say.

 

[Angeline]

I had a moment to calm down and I realize that I'm upset at myself for offering readers mediocre poetry. I'm upset at ydd for pointing it out. I'm sorry for acting foolishly on the board and not doing more to progress poetry around here.
I am working on my old site and reopening it. I'll keep in touch. But for now I need to leave and work on my writing and strive to improve.
I still respect ydd's critiques. I believe very much in what he/she has to say.

It's good to want to improve, but I'd hardly call your poetry mediocre. On the other hand I think we all lack perspective about our own stuff. Take your time my dear friend, but stay in touch, and come back when you're ready. Anyway I know how to find you. Don't think you're getting rid of me so easily.

 

[perks]

I had a moment to calm down and I realize that I'm upset at myself for offering readers mediocre poetry. I'm upset at ydd for pointing it out. I'm sorry for acting foolishly on the board and not doing more to progress poetry around here.
I am working on my old site and reopening it. I'll keep in touch. But for now I need to leave and work on my writing and strive to improve.
I still respect ydd's critiques. I believe very much in what he/she has to say.

maybe I'm missing the point, but how does closeting yourself and hiding help your poetry? How does involving yourself with friends and new experiences, hinder your poetry? How does enjoying your time, destressing, laughing, forming human bonds hurt your poetry? Why does it have to be all or nothing? Yes this is a poetry forum, and yes we write poetry, but it's about us THE POETS, and the writing that our life creates. Or are we only useful if our poetry is good? I hope to hell I have more facets than that, and expect someone to tell me if that's the only thing I have going on in my life.

Just because you are good and talented at something, and are known for it, doesn't mean you have to shun everything else to keep being good at it. You have to fill your cup to be able to pour it out.

I say balls to him and to you for this bullshit. It's too fucking dramatic. Write, don't write, but for god's sake, don't stop being a fucking human.

 

[champagne1982]

Edited because the metaphor has sadly been misunderstood.. it was poetry from an experiment a while ago, not a piece written for this one instance.

Eve, you were not the only one using dramatic terms and passionate, from-the-gut responses, that jurisdiction is all of ours and we should all slow down and think before we post.

I'm sorry you took my words as a personal attack, I should have edited it away from the second person. I beg your pardon.

****************
The following still applies:

Do whatcha gotta do, no one else can do it for you.

 

[WickedEve]

Perks, where have you been? Have I ever been less then dramatic?

Edited: my response to champ. It's beneath me to bother with such remarks.

 

[lostandfounder]

I was a lurker here for a fair time before finding the courage to begin to post some poems. I seem to remember a particularly gifted poet once said something like....

Not for him, herself to please
She has tread upon those years
Though voices tell of no ease
(taken out of context and injecting my own ideas into it, but still....)

Eve, as much as I do love your work, I want you to write for you. Don't write because you feel some sense of obligation to the rest of us, it would become too easy to fall into a trap of resentment.

Ahhh....in my own stumbling way, I am trying to say you are a better poet than you seem to think, it's your opinion that matters most when it comes to your work, and that I hope you don't abandon us entirely.

 

[Guest]

WE, this makes sad to read this because I value your comments and most of all, I enjoy your personal notes and of course, your poetry with such a great ever-changing, unique voice.

With that being said, I'm glad to see your Habit will be up. Soon I hope.



- neo

 

[Maria2394]

Maria, I have no idea who YDD is, but I have no problem with him/her/them saying whatever he/her/them want(s).

It's Eve that I'm mad at for letting it get to her. Sheesh!

Dammit Lauren, of course you are right!! YDD and anyone else can say whatever they wish, even me!! at least YDD isnt hiding behind an anonymous tag.

It just truly angers me that sometimes it seems this community is a close knit bunch of poets and then there are unseen mechanisms at work that try to, one poet at a time, undermine our family, which DOES welcome anyone who comes in and attempts to learn and contribute and even those who are rather shy and just lurk, everyone is welcome. This discord just hurts me inside and its times like these when I want to go as well

fuckit, I know it hurts Eve, hell yes I know it does, makes me wanna hurt somebody FOR you, but you arent like that and neither am I so I will just sit here and be sad for the loss that this entire community will suffer if you leave

 

[tarablackwood22]

Eve,

If what you write is considered 'mediocre', then the rest of us might as well abandon poetry and take up tiddlywinks.

You are a ROCK around here -- needed!!

The amount of respect that I have for your poetry and the way you handle yourself can not be expressed in words.

 

[twelveoone]

I had a moment to calm down and I realize that I'm upset at myself for offering readers mediocre poetry. I'm upset at ydd for pointing it out. I'm sorry for acting foolishly on the board and not doing more to progress poetry around here.
I am working on my old site and reopening it. I'll keep in touch. But for now I need to leave and work on my writing and strive to improve.
I still respect ydd's critiques. I believe very much in what he/she has to say.

Eve, perhaps it is because I'm quite mediocre myself, but I don't remember ever seeing anything mediocre from you. I have seen some that stikes me as genius and your comments are a joy to read.
I realize I am not of the caliber as some of the others, I am new here and don't know you, but I had to post this to tell you I find you poetry not only amazing but fun.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

[tungtied2u]

Your decision

Eve,
For what it's worth. Obviously, you greatly respect YDD's opinion on poetry, as do many other's from what I've read. Otherwise his letter wouldn't have affected you so deeply.
Many other's on this forum feel contrary. Even if you ignore all your supporters wishes for you to stay, many of whom certainly are very talented poets as well, I would suggest that you don't have to leave to improve your poetry, and/or critiquing.
I have no opinion on your abilities. I am fairly new, and don't feel qualified to comment.
I was however born in Virginia. And in the words of a great Southerner, whose name eludes me, please remeber "The south shall rise again", as I'm sure you will.
Best wishes on whatever path you choose (he said pointing to the one leading to this forum).

TT2U