Sometimes I wonder...

[Nathan_Brazil]

I just finished reading another chapter of a long-running series that I don't really enjoy. No...that's not exactly right. I mean...I love/hate it.

The author is very talented, but her kink annoys me. What is basic to her, is offensive to me, but...she's a very talented author who I keep hoping will kill off her abuser characters.

Yeah, I know. Not happening.

So, I'm left to wonder; in a place as fragmented as Literotica, how much stellar writing do I miss by avoiding certain categories?

I'm guessing this is mainly a problem with sex writing. Hell...I'd even read a western if the reviews were good enough, but there are a number of categories here that...eww...no.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Steven King is a great author if you go by the number of books he's written and gotten published. I will never read any of them. I don't like horror.

Just because someones a great writer, if you don't enjoy their material why would you read it?

I've forced myself to read Moby Dick, not for school, and it was the most boring book I ever read.

I also read Victor Hugos Les Miserables, unabriged. There came a point where he went into excruciating detail on the history and construction of the sewer system of Paris. It was painful but I got through it.

There are a lot of great writers on here, but if you're not into Gay Male you won't read any stories in that category. If you hate incest you miss those authors.

There's a limit on what someone will read when they are put off by the subject matter. Apparently this one author is a good enough author to keep you coming back despite your dislike of the topic.

Not something I would worry about.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I just finished reading another chapter of a long-running series that I don't really enjoy. No...that's not exactly right. I mean...I love/hate it.

The author is very talented, but her kink annoys me. What is basic to her, is offensive to me, but...she's a very talented author who I keep hoping will kill off her abuser characters.

Yeah, I know. Not happening.

So, I'm left to wonder; in a place as fragmented as Literotica, how much stellar writing do I miss by avoiding certain categories?

I'm guessing this is mainly a problem with sex writing. Hell...I'd even read a western if the reviews were good enough, but there are a number of categories here that...eww...no.

What you report seems to be common for most of us. But stellar writing isn't common here or anywhere. I hadda suffer 100s of popular hardcore crime novels to know Raymond Chandler was/is the best of his type. Ditto Westerns, Alan Lemay was/is the best, Elmore Leonard a strong 2nd. Lawrence Block wrote the best porn but is known for his hardcore crime. His porn is more than fucking, his characters change....gay/lesbians discover theyre straight, straights go queer. People kill themselves after they connect with a soulmate and the soulmate moves across the country or world. And all this happens in real life.

Plenty of good writers lose it. I wont read current efforts by plenty of best selling writers, I get they wanna sell books to the present generation of dweebs but the new stuff are alien life forms to me. I cant relate to writing that slaves to fashion. I recall, 15 years ago, when Deputy Coy came to work a blonde in a purple dress with heels, and was fired in minutes. He's prolly the sheriff somewhere today. The first female lieutenant of our unit lasted a whole 2-3 months, she couldn't let shit go, and the state devoured her. Obsessive nannies are the rule now.

Maybe a few good writers will find their way and their natural audience.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm reminded Harriet Beecher Stowe's UNCLE TOM'S CABIN sold 300,000 copies when it came out, and caused a civil war that killed 800,000 Americans. Powerful writing, and much of it was sentimental nonsense. Historian Thomas Fleming researched American slavery, and the reality was far different from what Stowe depicted. Free blacks actually came South to get the cradle-grave security slavery provided. Few were mulatto (according to the US Census) so much of the raping was myth. Slaves were sold down river when they were chronic criminal offenders, beatings didn't help production. But kindly Uncle Tom was beat to death in the book.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ldy sea pretty much made the point I was going.

Why would you read something you don't like? Because this person is a good writer?

I suppose she must be if you're enduring material that you don't like, but why would you put yourself through that?

I'm sure there are good writers in the categories that don't offend you.

As a personal example there is an author from another sight whom I've been friendly with for several years. We send each other our latest stories before their published for opinion and some beta reading.

I greatly enjoy her work, but she writes hard core non con on occasion and I told her early on, never to send me that stuff. So she doesn't and she's not offended, she knows its not for everyone and knows my personal reasons for loathing it.

Unless you're actually a masochist, I don't know why you would keep putting yourself through this.

I could never read about abusive characters over and over again, it would piss me off and why would I want to be pissed off?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Ldy sea pretty much made the point I was going.

Why would you read something you don't like? Because this person is a good writer?

I suppose she must be if you're enduring material that you don't like, but why would you put yourself through that?

I'm sure there are good writers in the categories that don't offend you.

As a personal example there is an author from another sight whom I've been friendly with for several years. We send each other our latest stories before their published for opinion and some beta reading.

I greatly enjoy her work, but she writes hard core non con on occasion and I told her early on, never to send me that stuff. So she doesn't and she's not offended, she knows its not for everyone and knows my personal reasons for loathing it.

Unless you're actually a masochist, I don't know why you would keep putting yourself through this.

I could never read about abusive characters over and over again, it would piss me off and why would I want to be pissed off?

Fool that I am I resist Daddy Doofus' efforts to make me a writer in his image, so I read widely.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Free blacks actually came South to get the cradle-grave security slavery provided. Few were mulatto (according to the US Census) so much of the raping was myth.

DNA studies suggest not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/science/african-american-dna.html?_r=0
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1006059

More likely, people lied on the census.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Steven King is a great author if you go by the number of books he's written and gotten published. I will never read any of them. I don't like horror.

For what it's worth, he's written some non-horror stories. "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Stand By Me" are both his work, among others.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

DNA studies suggest not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/science/african-american-dna.html?_r=0
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1006059

More likely, people lied on the census.

On the 1870 Florida Census my 3rd great grandparents are identified as black, he fought with the 11th South Carolina Infantry Regiment thru the Civil War; I hope you aint sayin they were liars. I have photos of them. The blonde hair and blue eyes just means they were Trans-niggers, like the NAACP lady in the news. Racist!

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Erotica is for orgasms. Writing has to be good to get past my "you're a moron" filter, but good writing will never be enough to make me finish an erotic story that isn't erotic to me. If you want to read well-crafted stories for the sake of the joy of the craftmanship, there's centuries of good stuff out there; this isn't the website for it.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Erotica is for orgasms. Writing has to be good to get past my "you're a moron" filter, but good writing will never be enough to make me finish an erotic story that isn't erotic to me. If you want to read well-crafted stories for the sake of the joy of the craftmanship, there's centuries of good stuff out there; this isn't the website for it.

I think that you have hit upon the point I was making.

Porn is limiting.

More than most genres, it self-selects a limited audience. Writers of this genre who manage to gain a wider audience are VERY rare.

 

[lovecraft68]

Porn is limiting. .

Only if the author is limited. The porn itself, yes, there are limits to exactly how different you can make it. But the lead up to the porn? The story around it? After it, the consequences of...

Or in my case I tell a real story and throw some hot sex in as the bonus. So back to my first statement, the only limits on writing is the writer themselves and as can easily be proven here some are either better than others or they try harder, whichever. Not everyone is created equal.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I just finished reading another chapter of a long-running series that I don't really enjoy. No...that's not exactly right. I mean...I love/hate it.

The author is very talented, but her kink annoys me. What is basic to her, is offensive to me, but...she's a very talented author who I keep hoping will kill off her abuser characters.

Yeah, I know. Not happening.

So, I'm left to wonder; in a place as fragmented as Literotica, how much stellar writing do I miss by avoiding certain categories?

I'm guessing this is mainly a problem with sex writing. Hell...I'd even read a western if the reviews were good enough, but there are a number of categories here that...eww...no.

Does she have characters who are abusive? Or does she just not kill off bad guys?

You can find well-reviewed stories here. I like reading the recent comments page.

 

[OliviaM]

I just finished reading another chapter of a long-running series that I don't really enjoy. No...that's not exactly right. I mean...I love/hate it.

The author is very talented, but her kink annoys me. What is basic to her, is offensive to me, but...she's a very talented author who I keep hoping will kill off her abuser characters.

Yeah, I know. Not happening.

So, I'm left to wonder; in a place as fragmented as Literotica, how much stellar writing do I miss by avoiding certain categories?

I'm guessing this is mainly a problem with sex writing. Hell...I'd even read a western if the reviews were good enough, but there are a number of categories here that...eww...no.

I avoid certain categories because they're not my thing, and I know I'll never read those, but this has me wondering too.

I'm also having the same issue with a love/hate story that I'm following. It's fun and I haven't stopped reading it yet, but I kind of hate both of the lead characters. I can't tell if it's because I want to know what happens or if I'm secretly hoping the characters will change. And the writing isn't the best but it's also not terrible, so I have no idea what I think there.

This reminds me of those people who hated Twilight and made fun of it but also read it obsessively. They called themselves Twatlighters. I never read the books or saw the movies, personally, but I thought it was funny that a group of fans like that existed. Now it kind of makes sense to me.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Does she have characters who are abusive? Or does she just not kill off bad guys?

You can find well-reviewed stories here. I like reading the recent comments page.

She's written a world where the hero's family system is abusive. And despite being abusive, they are also portrayed as being loving and tight knit.

At the beginning, I had hoped that the author would tell the story of how the protagonists escaped the family's system, but instead...they seem to be falling into line.

Not what I'd hoped, but it is very well written. The author has some hard core fans, so she is doing something right. I just can't root for a submissive myself, especially when she's giving into a patriarchal system.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

I avoid certain categories because they're not my thing, and I know I'll never read those, but this has me wondering too.

I'm also having the same issue with a love/hate story that I'm following. It's fun and I haven't stopped reading it yet, but I kind of hate both of the lead characters. I can't tell if it's because I want to know what happens or if I'm secretly hoping the characters will change. And the writing isn't the best but it's also not terrible, so I have no idea what I think there.

This reminds me of those people who hated Twilight and made fun of it but also read it obsessively. They called themselves Twatlighters. I never read the books or saw the movies, personally, but I thought it was funny that a group of fans like that existed. Now it kind of makes sense to me.

Sounds like your author is doing something right. You care enough to root for the characters to change. Many authors NEVER manage that.

 

[Hypoxia]

If you don't like it, read something else.

I tend to go less by category than by author. I'll find highly-regarded stories in my favorite categories, note the authors that buzz me, then go through the rest of their works in all categories to see if the writing quality sustains.